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Text -- Job 34:33 (NET)

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34:33 Is it your opinion that God should recompense it, because you reject this? But you must choose, and not I, so tell us what you know.
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Wesley: Job 34:33 - -- Doth God need thy advice how to govern the world, and whom, and when to reward or punish? Refuse - To submit as is expressed, Job 34:32.

Doth God need thy advice how to govern the world, and whom, and when to reward or punish? Refuse - To submit as is expressed, Job 34:32.

Wesley: Job 34:33 - -- If thou canst say any thing for thyself, I am ready to hear thy defence.

If thou canst say any thing for thyself, I am ready to hear thy defence.

JFB: Job 34:33 - -- Rather, "should God recompense (sinners) according to thy mind? Then it is for thee to reject and to choose, and not me" [UMBREIT]; or as MAURER, "For...

Rather, "should God recompense (sinners) according to thy mind? Then it is for thee to reject and to choose, and not me" [UMBREIT]; or as MAURER, "For thou hast rejected God's way of recompensing; state therefore thy way, for thou must choose, not I," that is, it is thy part, not mine, to show a better way than God's.

Clarke: Job 34:33 - -- According to thy mind? he will recompense it - Mr. Good renders the whole passage thus: - "Then in the presence of thy tribe According as thou art b...

According to thy mind? he will recompense it - Mr. Good renders the whole passage thus: -

"Then in the presence of thy tribe

According as thou art bruised shall he make it whole

But it is thine to choose, and not mine

So, what thou determinest, say.

This may at least be considered a paraphrase on the very obscure original. If thou wilt not thus come unto him, he will act according to justice, whether that be for or against thee. Choose what part thou wilt take, to humble thyself under the mighty hand of God, or still persist in thy supposed integrity. Speak, therefore; the matter concerns thee, not me; but let me know what thou art determined to do.

TSK: Job 34:33 - -- Should : Job 9:12, Job 18:4; Isa 45:9; Rom 9:20, Rom 11:35 according to thy mind : Heb. from with thee he will : Job 34:11, Job 15:31; Psa 89:30-32; P...

Should : Job 9:12, Job 18:4; Isa 45:9; Rom 9:20, Rom 11:35

according to thy mind : Heb. from with thee

he will : Job 34:11, Job 15:31; Psa 89:30-32; Pro 11:31; 2Th 1:6, 2Th 1:7; Heb 2:2, Heb 11:26

whether thou refuse : Psa 135:6; Mat 20:12-15

what : Job 33:5, Job 33:32

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Barnes: Job 34:33 - -- Should it be according to thy mind? - Margin, as in Hebrew "from with thee"- המעמך hamē‛ime kā . There has been much diversity...

Should it be according to thy mind? - Margin, as in Hebrew "from with thee"- המעמך hamē‛ime kā . There has been much diversity of opinion in regard to the meaning of this verse. It is exceedingly obscure in the original, and has the appearance of being a proverbial expression. The general sense seems to be, that God will not be regulated in his dealings by what may be the views of man, or by what man might be disposed to choose or refuse. He will act according to his own views of what is right and proper to be done. The phrase, "should it be according to thy mind,"means that it is not to be expected that God will consult the views and feelings of man rather than his own.

He will recompense it - He will visit with good or evil, prosperity or adversity, according as he shall judge to be right.

Whether thou refuse, or whether thou choose - Whatever may be your preferenccs or wishes. He will act according to his own views of right. The idea is, that God is absolute and independent, and does according to his own pleasure. He is a just Sovereign, dispensing his favors and appointing calamity, not according to the will of individual people, but holding the scales impartially, and doing what "he"esteems to be right.

And not I - Rosenmuller, Drusius, DeWette, and Noyes, render this, "And not he,"supposing that it refers to God, and means that the arrangements which are to affect people should be as "he"pleases, and not such as "man"would prefer. Umbreit explains it as meaning, "It is for you to determine in this matter, not for me. You are the person most interested. I am not particularly concerned. Do you, therefore, speak and determine the matter, if you know what is the truth."The Vulgate renders it, "Will God seek that from thee because it displeases thee? For thou hast begun to speak, not I: for if thou knowest anything better, speak."So Coverdale, "Wilt thou not give a reasonable answer? Art thou afraid of anything, seeing thou begannest first to speak, and not I?"The great difficulty of the whole verse may be seen by consulting Schultens, who gives no less than "seventeen"different interpretations, which have been proposed - his own being different from all others. He renders it,"Lo, he will repay you in your own way; for thou art full of sores - "namquesubulceratus es:" which, indeed, thou hast chosen, and not I - and what dost thou know? speak."I confess that I cannot understand the passage, nor do any of the interpretations proposed seem to be free from objections. I would submit the following, however, as a paraphrase made from the Hebrew, and differing somewhat from any interpretation which I have seen, as possibly expressing the true sense of the whole verse. "Shall it be from thee that God will send retribution on it (that is, on human conduct), because thou refusest or art reluctant, or because it is not in accordance with thy views? For thou must choose, and not I. Settle this matter, for it pertains particularly to you, and not to me, and what thou knowest, speak. If thou hast any views in regard to this, let them be expressed, for it is important to know on what principles God deals with men."

Poole: Job 34:33 - -- Having advised and directed Job how to behave himself, and what to say to God in his case, he now proceedeth to enforce his advice by solid argument...

Having advised and directed Job how to behave himself, and what to say to God in his case, he now proceedeth to enforce his advice by solid arguments.

Should it (to wit, God’ s chastening of thee, about which the great controversy was)

be according to thy mind? Heb. from with thee , as thou wouldst have it? Shall thy opinion or affection give laws and measures to God that he shall afflict only such persons, and in such a manner and measure, and so long, as thou wouldst have him. Doth God need, or should he seek for, thy advice how to govern the world, and whom and when to reward or punish? Dost thou quarrel with God, because he punisheth thee worse and longer than thou expectest or desirest?

He will recompence it to wit, thy iniquity, expressed Job 34:32 . Whether thou art satisfied or offended with his proceedings, he regards not, as not being obliged to give thee an account of his matters, whether thou would refuse his punishments or accept of them. It is not I, nor thou, that must prescribe to God, but he will do what he pleaseth. Or, but not I , i.e. do thou refuse or choose as thou pleasest, and contend with God for doing with thee otherwise than according to thy opinion or good will; but so would not I do, if it were my case; and I can say nothing for this course which thou takest, and therefore do thou

speak what thou knowest or what thou canst say for it, as it here follows. If thou cans, say any thing for this practice, here I am ready to hear thy defence, and to justify thee as far as I can truly and righteously do. But this verse is and may well be otherwise rendered, and that very agreeably to the Hebrew, though still the sense will be the same, Shall he , i.e. God, render or recompense it (to wit, thy iniquity) according to thy mind , (i.e. no further than thou dost like and consent,) because thou refusest ? (to wit, his chastisement. Is he obliged to forbear punishing thee because thou art not pleased with it? Shall not he dispense either favours or afflictions as he sees fit without thy consent?) shalt thou choose, and not I ? (so Elihu speaks this in the name and person of God; such sudden changes of persons being not unusual in this book. Shalt thou, O Job, choose for me, and not I for myself?)

therefore speak what thou knowest If this be thy opinion, speak what thou cans, in defence of it; and here am I ready to plead for God against thee. So here Elihu returns to speak in his own person.

Haydock: Job 34:33 - -- It, my iniquity. (Menochius) --- Will God make thee accountable for it? (Haydock) --- Yea, if thou keep silence, (Calmet) thou wilt seem to conni...

It, my iniquity. (Menochius) ---

Will God make thee accountable for it? (Haydock) ---

Yea, if thou keep silence, (Calmet) thou wilt seem to connive at it. (Haydock) ---

He wishes to engage Job to speak. Hebrew may be translated many ways. (Calmet) ---

Protestants, " Should it be according to thy mind? He will recompense it whether thou refuse, or whether thou choose; and not I. Therefore speak what thou knowest." (Haydock)

Gill: Job 34:33 - -- Should it be according, to thy mind?.... O Job, for the words seem to he directed to him; and may respect either the government of the world in gener...

Should it be according, to thy mind?.... O Job, for the words seem to he directed to him; and may respect either the government of the world in general, and the disposal of all things in it, treated of in this chapter, though more remotely, Job 34:13. Is it not proper that God should govern it, who has made it, and do all things in it as he pleases? is it fit he should consult with men what to do, or be instructed and taught by them in the path of judgment? is it meet that every man should have his mind and will, and have everything go in the form and course most eligible to him? Or else they may respect chastisement, with which the words are more nearly connected; and so the sense be, should man be consulted, as Job or any other, and his mind known first, whether he should be chastened or not? should a son or a servant be asked first by a parent or master, whether it is fitting to give correction or not? or is man to be advised with in what way and manner he should be chastened of God, whether in his person, or family, or estate? or how long the chastening should endure upon him, and when it should be removed? no, surely; all should be left with God, the wise and sovereign Disposer of all things;

he will recompense it, whether thou refuse, or whether thou choose,

and not I; that is, God will recompense chastisement; he will chastise whom he pleases, and in what manner he pleases, and as long as he pleases, whether man consents or submits to it or not; he will not ask his leave; he will do according to the counsel of his own will; and thou Job mayest choose or refuse to submit to him as thou likest best; for my part, was it my case, I would not refuse submission to his will; I would say, "it is the Lord, let him do what seemeth good in his sight". Some make this last clause the words of God, put by way of question, "shouldest thou choose or refuse, and not I?" shouldest thou have thine option and refusal, and not I? should man be his own chooser, or choose for himself what he likes best? should he not say, the Lord shall choose mine inheritance for me, though that inheritance is affliction? The words are rendered by others to different senses, all which to observe would be too tedious: some l to this sense,

"what is of thyself God recompenses;''

sin is of a man's self, it flows from his corrupt heart and will, he is not tempted to it of God; nor is it to be ascribed to the temptations of Satan, which, though they may have their influence, sin is a man's own act and deed; and God will recompense it in one way or another, whether man will or not; either in a way of punishment on the sinner himself, or on his surety for him; or in a way of fatherly correction and chastisement; and this is the Lord's doing and not mine, and he is just in so doing;

therefore speak what thou knowest: if thou knowest anything better than this, or canst contradict what is said: or as others m to this purpose,

"did ever such a speech come from thee, as expressed in the preceding verses? God will recompense it, if thou refusest to speak in such a submissive manner; thou mayest refuse to do it, I would not; I should choose to submit and hear the affliction patiently; if thou thinkest otherwise, speak out thy mind.''

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Job 34:33 There is no object on the verb, and the meaning is perhaps lost. The best guess is that Elihu is saying Job has rejected his teaching.

Geneva Bible: Job 34:33 [Should it be] according to ( b ) thy mind? he will recompense ( c ) it, whether thou refuse, or whether thou choose; and not I: therefore speak what ...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Job 34:1-37 - --1 Elihu accuses Job for charging God with injustice.10 God omnipotent cannot be unjust.31 Man must humble himself unto God.34 Elihu reproves Job.

MHCC: Job 34:31-37 - --When we reprove for what is amiss, we must direct to what is good. Job's friends would have had him own himself a wicked man. Let will only oblige him...

Matthew Henry: Job 34:31-37 - -- In these verses, I. Elihu instructs Job what he should say under his affliction, Job 34:31, Job 34:32. Having reproved him for his peevish passionat...

Keil-Delitzsch: Job 34:33-37 - -- 33 Shall He recompense it as thou wilt? For thou hast found fault, So that thou hast to determine, not I, And what thou knowest speak out! 34 Men...

Constable: Job 32:1--37:24 - --F. Elihu's Speeches chs. 32-37 Many critical scholars believe that a later editor inserted chapters 32-3...

Constable: Job 34:1-37 - --3. Elihu's second speech ch. 34 Elihu sought to refute Job's charge that God was unjust in this ...

Constable: Job 34:10-37 - --Elihu's defense of God's justice 34:10-37 As the three friends, Elihu believed God was a...

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: Job (Book Introduction) JOB A REAL PERSON.--It has been supposed by some that the book of Job is an allegory, not a real narrative, on account of the artificial character of ...

JFB: Job (Outline) THE HOLINESS OF JOB, HIS WEALTH, &c. (Job 1:1-5) SATAN, APPEARING BEFORE GOD, FALSELY ACCUSES JOB. (Job 1:6-12) SATAN FURTHER TEMPTS JOB. (Job 2:1-8)...

TSK: Job (Book Introduction) A large aquatic animal, perhaps the extinct dinosaur, plesiosaurus, the exact meaning is unknown. Some think this to be a crocodile but from the desc...

TSK: Job 34 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Job 34:1, Elihu accuses Job for charging God with injustice; Job 34:10, God omnipotent cannot be unjust; Job 34:31, Man must humble himse...

Poole: Job 34 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 34 He accuseth Job for charging God with injustice, Job 34:1-9 . God, the almighty Disposer, Governor, and Judge of the world, cannot be un...

MHCC: Job (Book Introduction) This book is so called from Job, whose prosperity, afflictions, and restoration, are here recorded. He lived soon after Abraham, or perhaps before tha...

MHCC: Job 34 (Chapter Introduction) (Job 34:1-9) Elihu accuses Job of charging God with injustice. (Job 34:10-15) God cannot be unjust. (Job 34:16-30) God's power and providence. (Job...

Matthew Henry: Job (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Book of Job This book of Job stands by itself, is not connected with any other, and is therefore to...

Matthew Henry: Job 34 (Chapter Introduction) Elihu, it is likely, paused awhile, to see if Job had any thing to say against his discourse in the foregoing chapter; but he sitting silent, and i...

Constable: Job (Book Introduction) Introduction Title This book, like many others in the Old Testament, got its name from...

Constable: Job (Outline) Outline I. Prologue chs. 1-2 A. Job's character 1:1-5 B. Job's calamitie...

Constable: Job Job Bibliography Andersen, Francis I. Job. Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries series. Leicester, Eng. and Downe...

Haydock: Job (Book Introduction) THE BOOK OF JOB. INTRODUCTION. This Book takes its name from the holy man, of whom it treats; who, according to the more probable opinion, was ...

Gill: Job (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO JOB This book, in the Hebrew copies, generally goes by this name, from Job, who is however the subject, if not the writer of it. In...

Gill: Job 34 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO JOB 34 In this chapter Elihu reassumes his discourse, and proceeds in his answer to Job, in which are first a preface exciting atte...

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