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Text -- Jeremiah 8:8 (NET)

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8:8 How can you say, “We are wise! We have the law of the Lord”? The truth is, those who teach it have used their writings to make it say what it does not really mean.
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Wesley: Jer 8:8 - -- These things considered where is your wisdom? He speaks to the whole body of the people.

These things considered where is your wisdom? He speaks to the whole body of the people.

Wesley: Jer 8:8 - -- This may have a more special eye to the priests.

This may have a more special eye to the priests.

Wesley: Jer 8:8 - -- For any use they made of it; neither need it ever have been copied out by the scribe. A scribe was a teacher, one well versed in the scripture, or est...

For any use they made of it; neither need it ever have been copied out by the scribe. A scribe was a teacher, one well versed in the scripture, or esteemed to be so.

JFB: Jer 8:8 - -- (Rom 2:17). Possessing the law, on which they prided themselves, the Jews might have become the wisest of nations; but by their neglecting its precep...

(Rom 2:17). Possessing the law, on which they prided themselves, the Jews might have become the wisest of nations; but by their neglecting its precepts, the law became given "in vain," as far as they were concerned.

JFB: Jer 8:8 - -- Copyists. "In vain" copies were multiplied. MAURER translates, "The false pen of the scribes hath converted it [the law] into a lie." See Margin, whic...

Copyists. "In vain" copies were multiplied. MAURER translates, "The false pen of the scribes hath converted it [the law] into a lie." See Margin, which agrees with Vulgate.

Clarke: Jer 8:8 - -- The pen of the scribes is in vain - The deceitful pen of the scribes. They have written falsely, though they had the truth before them. It is too bo...

The pen of the scribes is in vain - The deceitful pen of the scribes. They have written falsely, though they had the truth before them. It is too bold an assertion to say that "the Jews have never falsified the sacred oracles;"they have done it again and again. They have written falsities when they knew they were such.

Calvin: Jer 8:8 - -- Interpreters think that the Prophet here directs his words to the priests, and the false prophets, and the other chiefs of the people, because they p...

Interpreters think that the Prophet here directs his words to the priests, and the false prophets, and the other chiefs of the people, because they proudly arrogated to themselves the knowledge of the law: but what is said may be no less extended to the whole people; for, as we shall presently see, all of them, from the least to the greatest, no doubt boasted that they were sufficiently wise. I hence think that the Prophet here inveighs against the whole body of the people; for all, almost without exception, rejected his teaching, as we see also to be done at the present day; for who is there that can bear to be admonished and reproved? All say that they are wise enough: “Oh! do you think that I am a child?” or, as it is commonly said, “Do you think that I am a goose? I know how I am to live, and I am not without reason.” Thus the rudest and the most ignorant set up their own wisdom and sharpness of wit against God and his prophets. Such audacity and ferociousness prevailed no doubt in the time of Jeremiah. For when he sharply reproved them, they were ready with their answer, — “Oh! thou treatest us as though we were barbarians, as though God’s law was unknown to us, as though we had not been taught from our childhood how we are to live: does not God dwell in the midst of us?” Since, then, the Jews did set up as it were this shield against the doctrine of the Prophet, he attacks them here with great vehemence, —

How say ye, We are wise? He afterwards describes the kind of wisdom which they claimed, The law of God is with us: and doubtless, to attend to God’s law is the way of becoming really wise. Had they justly boasted that they had the law, the Prophet would not have brought against them the charge, that they were doubly foolish. But as they falsely made this pretense, he says to them, How? and here he asks a question as to what was very strange, “How are you so foolish, “he says, “that ye think yourselves wise, as though the law of God were with you? Surely, if so, in vain has the law been written; for ye shew by your whole life that you have never known anything of what God by the law commands and sets before us, and what the design of it is.”

Thus Jeremiah shows by their life that there was no ground for their foolish boasting; for they gave no evidence of their wisdom. It is indeed necessary for those who seek to be God’s disciples to bring forth some fruit: but as there was among them so much impiety, so much contempt of God, and as, in short, their whole life proclaimed them to be wholly insane, he says, In vain has he prepared his pen, even the writer of the law; and in vain have been the scribes, that is, the teachers; for by scribes, in the second place, he understands teachers. 221

I explain this passage somewhat different from other interpreters; for there seems to be implied a kind of irony, as we commonly say, Il faut bruler tous les livres. Hence Jeremiah derides their folly, in saying that they knew how they were to live, because the teaching of the law prevailed among them. “If it be so, “he says, “what is God’s law? Doubtless, nothing, as the whole of its teaching must in this way be deemed as nothing.” We now then see that the Jews are here reproved as false, for they claimed the law, as though it were a shadow without a body, and possessed not a particle of right knowledge. He afterwards adds —

TSK: Jer 8:8 - -- We : Job 5:12, Job 5:13, Job 11:12, Job 12:20; Joh 9:41; Rom 1:22, Rom 2:17-29; 1Co 3:18-20 the law : Psa 147:19; Hos 8:12 Lo : Mat 15:6 in vain : etc...

We : Job 5:12, Job 5:13, Job 11:12, Job 12:20; Joh 9:41; Rom 1:22, Rom 2:17-29; 1Co 3:18-20

the law : Psa 147:19; Hos 8:12

Lo : Mat 15:6

in vain : etc. or, the false pen of the scribes worketh for falsehood, Pro 17:6; Isa 10:1, Isa 10:2

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Barnes: Jer 8:8 - -- The law of the Lord - The "Torah,"or written law, the possession of which made the priests and prophets so boastfully exclaim, "We are wise." ...

The law of the Lord - The "Torah,"or written law, the possession of which made the priests and prophets so boastfully exclaim, "We are wise."

Lo, certainly ... - Rather, Verily, lo! the lying pen "of the scribes"hath made it - the Law - into a lie. The mention of "scribes"in this place is a crucial point in the argument whether or not the Pentateuch or Torah is the old law-book of the Jews, or a fabrication which gradually grew up, but was not received as authoritative until after the return from the captivity. It is not until the time of Josiah 2Ch 34:13 that "scribes"are mentioned except as political officers; here, however, they are students of the Torah. The Torah must have existed in writing before there could have been an order of men whose special business it was to study it; and therefore to explain this verse by saying that perhaps the scribes were writers of false prophecies written in imitation of the true, is to lose the whole gist of the passage. What the scribes turned into a lie was that Law of which they had just boasted that they were the possessors. Moreover, the scribes undeniably became possessed of preponderating influence during the exile: and on the return from Babylon were powerful enough to prevent the restoration of the kingly office. That there should be along with the priests and Levites men who devoted themselves to the study of the written Law, and who in the time of Josiah had acquired such influence as to be recognized as a distinct class - is just what we should expect from the rapid progress of learning, which began with Elisha’ s active management of the schools of the prophets, and culminated in the days of Hezekiah. Jeremiah’ s whole argument depends upon the fact that there were in his days men who claimed to be "wise"or "learned"men because of their study of the Pentateuch, and is entirely inconsistent with the assumptions that Jeremiah wrote the book of Deuteronomy, and that Ezra wrote parts of Exodus and the whole of Leviticus.

Poole: Jer 8:8 - -- How do ye say, We are wise? q. d. These things considered, where is your wisdom, when you see the very fowls of the air are not so stupid as you are?...

How do ye say, We are wise? q. d. These things considered, where is your wisdom, when you see the very fowls of the air are not so stupid as you are? he speaks either to princes and priests, or to the whole body of the people.

The law of the Lord is with us: this may be understood either more general of all, or may have a more special eye to the priests, with whom it was intrusted, Deu 33:10 Mal 2:7 . They were wont to boast much of the law, as well as of the temple, Jer 18:18 Rom 2:17,23 .

In vain made he it: q.d. For any use they made of it, they had as good have been without it; God needed not to have given them a law, Hos 8:12 .

The pen of the scribes is in vain neither need it ever have been copied out, divulged, and conveyed down to them by the scribe, Deu 17:18 ; or the prevarications and collusions these lawyers used in the false interpretation of the law, wherein they sided with the false prophets, should be in vain. A scribe was a teacher, one well versed in the in the Scripture, or esteemed so.

Haydock: Jer 8:8 - -- Falsehood. The impostors have deceived you, and they are themselves taken prisoners. (Calmet)

Falsehood. The impostors have deceived you, and they are themselves taken prisoners. (Calmet)

Gill: Jer 8:8 - -- How do ye say, we are wise,.... Which they were continually boasting of, though they were ignorant of the judgment of the Lord, and were more stupid t...

How do ye say, we are wise,.... Which they were continually boasting of, though they were ignorant of the judgment of the Lord, and were more stupid than the stork, turtle, crane, and swallow:

and the law of the Lord is with us? this was the foundation of their boast, because the law was given to them, and not to the nations of the world, which knew not God, and therefore they must be a wise and understanding people; and this law continued with them, they had it in their synagogues, and in their houses, and read it, and heard, or at least they might and ought to have heard and read it, and in this they trusted; of this character and cast were the Jews in the times of Christ and his apostles, Rom 2:17 to which agrees the Targum,

"how say ye, we are wise, and in the law of the Lord we trust?''

Lo, certainly in vain made he it; either the law, which was made or given in vain by the Lord to this people, since they made no better use of it, and valued themselves upon having it, without acting according to it; or the pen of the scribe, which was made by him in vain to write it, as follows:

the pen of the scribes is in vain; in vain, and to no purpose, were the scribes employed in writing out copies of the law, when either it was not heard or read, or however the things it enjoined were not put in practice; or the pen of the scribes was in vain, when employed in writing out false copies of the law, or false glosses and interpretations of it, such as were made by the Scribes and Pharisees in Christ's time, and the fathers before them, by whose traditions the word of God was made of none effect: and so the Targum,

"therefore, lo, in vain the scribe hath made the lying pen to falsify;''

that is, the Scriptures. The words may be rendered,

"verily, behold, with a lie he wrought; the pen: is the lie of the scribes h.''

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Jer 8:8 Heb “The lying pen of the scribes have made [it] into a lie.” The translation is an attempt to make the most common interpretation of this...

Geneva Bible: Jer 8:8 How do ye say, We [are] wise, and the law of the LORD [is] with us? Lo, certainly in vain he hath made [it]; ( f ) the pen of the scribes [is] in vain...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Jer 8:1-22 - --1 The calamity of the Jews, both dead and alive.4 He upbraids their foolish and shameless impenitency.13 He shews their grievous judgment;18 and bewai...

MHCC: Jer 8:4-13 - --What brought this ruin? 1. The people would not attend to reason; they would not act in the affairs of their souls with common prudence. Sin is backsl...

Matthew Henry: Jer 8:4-12 - -- The prophet here is instructed to set before this people the folly of their impenitence, which was it that brought this ruin upon them. They are her...

Keil-Delitzsch: Jer 8:8 - -- In spite of this heedlessness of the statutes, the judgment of God, they vainly boast in their knowledge and possession of God's law. Those who said...

Constable: Jer 2:1--45:5 - --II. Prophecies about Judah chs. 2--45 The first series of prophetic announcements, reflections, and incidents th...

Constable: Jer 2:1--25:38 - --A. Warnings of judgment on Judah and Jerusalem chs. 2-25 Chapters 2-25 contain warnings and appeals to t...

Constable: Jer 7:1--10:25 - --2. Warnings about apostasy and its consequences chs. 7-10 This is another collection of Jeremiah...

Constable: Jer 8:4--11:1 - --Incorrigible Judah 8:4-10:25 The twin themes of Judah's stubborn rebellion and her inevi...

Constable: Jer 8:4-12 - --Blind complacency 8:4-12 8:4 The Lord commanded Jeremiah to ask the people if it was not normal for people to repent after sinning. After all, when so...

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: Jeremiah (Book Introduction) JEREMIAH, son of Hilkiah, one of the ordinary priests, dwelling in Anathoth of Benjamin (Jer 1:1), not the Hilkiah the high priest who discovered the ...

JFB: Jeremiah (Outline) EXPOSTULATION WITH THE JEWS, REMINDING THEM OF THEIR FORMER DEVOTEDNESS, AND GOD'S CONSEQUENT FAVOR, AND A DENUNCIATION OF GOD'S COMING JUDGMENTS FOR...

TSK: Jeremiah 8 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Jer 8:1, The calamity of the Jews, both dead and alive; Jer 8:4, He upbraids their foolish and shameless impenitency; Jer 8:13, He shews ...

Poole: Jeremiah (Book Introduction) BOOK OF THE PROPHET JEREMIAH THE ARGUMENT IT was the great unhappiness of this prophet to be a physician to, but that could not save, a dying sta...

Poole: Jeremiah 8 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 8 The calamity of the Jews, both dead and alive, Jer 8:1-3 . Their brutish impenitency, Jer 8:4-7 : Their vain boast of wisdom; their covet...

MHCC: Jeremiah (Book Introduction) Jeremiah was a priest, a native of Anathoth, in the tribe of Benjamin. He was called to the prophetic office when very young, about seventy years afte...

MHCC: Jeremiah 8 (Chapter Introduction) (Jer 8:1-3) The remains of the dead exposed. (Jer 8:4-13) The stupidity of the people, compared with the instinct of the brute creation. (Jer 8:14-2...

Matthew Henry: Jeremiah (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Book of the Prophet Jeremiah The Prophecies of the Old Testament, as the Epistles of the New, are p...

Matthew Henry: Jeremiah 8 (Chapter Introduction) The prophet proceeds, in this chapter, both to magnify and to justify the destruction that God was bringing upon this people, to show how grievous ...

Constable: Jeremiah (Book Introduction) Introduction Title The title of this book derives from its writer, the late seventh an...

Constable: Jeremiah (Outline) Outline I. Introduction ch. 1 A. The introduction of Jeremiah 1:1-3 B. T...

Constable: Jeremiah Jeremiah Bibliography Aharoni, Yohanan, and Michael Avi-Yonah. The Macmillan Bible Atlas. Revised ed. London: C...

Haydock: Jeremiah (Book Introduction) THE PROPHECY OF JEREMIAS. INTRODUCTION. Jeremias was a priest, a native of Anathoth, a priestly city, in the tribe of Benjamin, and was sanct...

Gill: Jeremiah (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO JEREMIAH The title of the book in the Vulgate Latin version is, "the Prophecy of Jeremiah"; in the Syriac and Arabic versions, "the...

Gill: Jeremiah 8 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO JEREMIAH 8 In this chapter the prophet goes on to denounce grievous calamities upon the people of the Jews; such as would make deat...

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