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Text -- 1 Samuel 8:9 (NET)

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8:9 So now do as they say. But seriously warn them and make them aware of the policies of the king who will rule over them.”
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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per phrase)

Wesley: 1Sa 8:9 - -- That, if it be possible, thou mayst yet prevent their sin and misery.

That, if it be possible, thou mayst yet prevent their sin and misery.

Wesley: 1Sa 8:9 - -- That is, of the kings which they desire like the kings of other nations.

That is, of the kings which they desire like the kings of other nations.

JFB: 1Sa 8:6-10 - -- Personal and family feelings might affect his views of this public movement. But his dissatisfaction arose principally from the proposed change being ...

Personal and family feelings might affect his views of this public movement. But his dissatisfaction arose principally from the proposed change being revolutionary in its character. Though it would not entirely subvert their theocratic government, the appointment of a visible monarch would necessarily tend to throw out of view their unseen King and Head. God intimated, through Samuel, that their request would, in anger, be granted, while at the same time he apprised them of some of the evils that would result from their choice.

Clarke: 1Sa 8:9 - -- Show them the manner of the king - The word משפט mishpat , which we here render manner, signifies simply what the king would and might require,...

Show them the manner of the king - The word משפט mishpat , which we here render manner, signifies simply what the king would and might require, according to the manner in which kings in general ruled; all of whom, in those times, were absolute and despotic

The whole of this manner of the king is well illustrated by Puffendorf

"Hitherto,"says he, "the people of Israel had lived under governors raised up of God, who had exacted no tribute of them, nor put them to any charge; but, little content with this form of government. they desire to have a king like other nations, who should live in magnificence and pomp, keep armies, and be able to resist any invasion. Samuel informs them what it was they desired; that when they understood it, they might consider whether they would persist in their choice If they would have a king splendidly attended, he tells them that he would take their sons for his chariots, etc.; if they would have him keep up constant forces, then he would appoint them for colonels and captains, and employ those in his wars who were accustomed to follow their family business; and since, after the manner of other kings, he must keep a stately court, they must be content that their daughters should serve in several offices, which the king would think below the dignity of his wives and daughters, 1Sa 8:13. Many ministers also, in several departments, both of war and peace, must have salaries to support them, which must be paid out of their fields and vineyards, 1Sa 8:14. In one word, that to sustain his dignity their king would exact the tenth of all they possessed, and be maintained in a royal manner out of their estates.

It is perfectly vain in Grotius, or any one else, to state that this shows what a king, as king, may any where in virtue of his office, claim and exact; and that he can take the property and persons of his subjects, and dispose of them as he may judge necessary for the exigence of the state. This was the manner of Saul, but Saul was not a king of God’ s choosing: "He gave him in his wrath, and took him away in his displeasure;"and the manner of such a king should not be arrogated by any potentate who affects to rule jure divino , by Divine right. The manner of the king of God’ s choice is distinctly detailed, Deu 17:15-20, to which the reader will do well to refer, that he may have an impartial statement of the subject.

TSK: 1Sa 8:9 - -- hearken unto : or, obey howbeit : etc. or, notwithstanding when thou hast solemnly protested against them, then thou shalt shew, etc. Eze 3:18 the man...

hearken unto : or, obey

howbeit : etc. or, notwithstanding when thou hast solemnly protested against them, then thou shalt shew, etc. Eze 3:18

the manner : 1Sa 8:11-18, 1Sa 2:13, 1Sa 10:25, 1Sa 14:52; Eze 45:7, Eze 45:8, Eze 46:18

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Poole: 1Sa 8:9 - -- Protest solemnly unto them that, if it be possible, thou mayst yet prevent their sin and misery. The manner of the king i.e. of the kings which the...

Protest solemnly unto them that, if it be possible, thou mayst yet prevent their sin and misery.

The manner of the king i.e. of the kings which they desire, like the kings of other nations. He speaks not of the just authority, or the right of their kings, but of their practice, as is evident from divers of the following particulars, which are expressly forbidden and condemned in Scripture, as we shall see.

Haydock: 1Sa 8:9 - -- The right. That is, the manner ( mishpat ) after which he shall proceed, having no one to control him, when he has the power in his hands. (Chall...

The right. That is, the manner ( mishpat ) after which he shall proceed, having no one to control him, when he has the power in his hands. (Challoner) ---

He intimates that the kings will frequently act in a tyrannical manner, ver. 11. (Menochius) ---

But the holy Fathers observe, that herein they do what is unjust, and contrary to God's law. St. Gregory remarks, that Achab is punished for taking the vineyard of Naboth, (3 Kings xxi.) while David will not take a piece of ground belonging to Ornan, even for an altar, without first paying a just price for it, 1 Paralipomenon xxi. 25. Some of these rights or customs are prohibited to the king, Deuteronomy xvii. 16. It is true, kings enjoy great prerogatives above judges, but never contrary to the law. They cannot take their subjects' goods: but the latter are bound to contribute to the maintenance of government; and, if they refuse, may be compelled. If kings should be guilty of excesses, "yet them are not to be deposed by the people,....but must be tolerated with patience, peace, and meekness, till God, by his sovereign authority, left in his Church, dispose of them, which his divine wisdom and goodness often deferred to do, as here he expressly forewarneth, (ver. 18) because he will punish the sins of the people by suffering evil princes to reign," Job xxxiv. 30. (Conc. Later. c. iii. de hœret.[Fourth Lateran Council, constitution iii., On Heretics?]) (Worthington) See St. Thomas Aquinas, [Summa Theologiae] 2. 2. q. 12. a. 2. ---

We may here also remark, that the people petitioned for a king, yet God made the choice; and, when he proved rebellious, selected another by the hand of Samuel, though he permitted the former to enjoy his dignity till death, chap. xiii., and xxxi. (Haydock) ---

Grotius (Jur. i. 1., and 4.) maintains that Samuel here proposes the just rights of the king, and that the prince has a greater right to any one's personal property, for the public good, than he has himself. In effect, the eastern kings regarded their subjects as slaves. But those who governed the Hebrews were to follow a different conduct; and Samuel is so far from approving of what some of them would do, that he mentions their tyranny, in order to dissuade the people from what they so inconsiderately requested. (Calmet) ---

The misconduct of rulers, is one of the most trying inconveniences to which a nation can be exposed. In such circumstances, "bear, say a pagan historian, (Haydock) with the luxury and avarice of those who hold dominion, as with other natural evils. There will be vices as long as men subsist, but neither will these continue for ever, and they are compensated by the intervention of better things or men." Meliorum interventu pensantur. (Tacitus) ---

Grotius at last seems to conclude, (Sup. c. iv. p. 97) that the right of the king here specified is only apparent, in as much as it includes "the obligation of making no resistance." (Haydock)

Gill: 1Sa 8:9 - -- Now therefore hearken unto their voice,.... And appoint them a king as they desire: howbeit, yet protest solemnly unto them; not against the thing ...

Now therefore hearken unto their voice,.... And appoint them a king as they desire:

howbeit, yet protest solemnly unto them; not against the thing itself, which was permitted, but against the evil of their request, as to the unseasonable time, ill manner, and unjustifiable reason, in and for which it was made; the Lord would have Samuel lay before them their evil in requesting it, and the evils that would follow upon it to them, and faithfully represent them to them, that they might be left without excuse, and have none to blame but themselves when they, should come upon them:

and show them the manner of the king that shall reign over them: or the right or judgment z; not a legal right or form of government, but an assumed, arbitrary, and despotic power, such as the kings of the east exercised over their subjects, a king like whom the Israelites desired to have; namely, what unbounded liberties he would take with them, what slaves he would make of them, and what of their property he would take to himself at pleasure, as is after related. The word signifies, not a divine law, according to which the king should govern, but a custom, or a custom he would introduce, as the word is rendered, 1Sa 2:13 and is different from that in 1Sa 10:25.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: 1Sa 8:9 Heb “and tell them the manner of the king who will rule over them.”

Geneva Bible: 1Sa 8:9 Now therefore hearken unto their voice: howbeit yet ( e ) protest solemnly unto them, and shew them the manner of the king that shall reign over them....

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: 1Sa 8:1-22 - --1 By occasion of the ill government of Samuel's sons, the Israelites ask a king.6 Samuel praying in grief, is comforted by God.10 He tells the manner ...

Maclaren: 1Sa 8:4-20 - --1 Samuel 8:4-20 The office of judge was as little capable of transmission from father to son as that of prophet, so that Samuel's appointment of his s...

MHCC: 1Sa 8:4-9 - --Samuel was displeased; he could patiently bear what reflected on himself, and his own family; but it displeased him when they said, Give us a king to ...

Matthew Henry: 1Sa 8:4-22 - -- We have here the starting of a matter perfectly new and surprising, which was the setting up of kingly government in Israel. Perhaps the thing had b...

Keil-Delitzsch: 1Sa 8:9 - -- In order to show them wherein they were wrong, Samuel was instructed tobear witness against them, by proclaiming the right of the king who wouldrule...

Constable: 1Sa 8:1--12:25 - --B. Kingship Given to Saul chs. 8-12 "Clearly these five chapters constitute a literary unit, for they ar...

Constable: 1Sa 8:4-9 - --The reason for requesting a king 8:4-9 God had made provision for kings to rule His peop...

Guzik: 1Sa 8:1-22 - --1 Samuel 8 - Israel Demands a King A. The people of Israel request a king. 1. (1-3) Samuel appoints his sons as judges. Now it came to pass when S...

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Commentary -- Other

Critics Ask: 1Sa 8:9 1 SAMUEL 8:7-9 —How could God condemn Israel’s request for a king when the rules for selecting a king were given by God in Deuteronomy 17 ? PR...

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: 1 Samuel (Book Introduction) THE FIRST AND SECOND BOOKS OF SAMUEL. The two were, by the ancient Jews, conjoined so as to make one book, and in that form could be called the Book o...

JFB: 1 Samuel (Outline) OF ELKANAH AND HIS TWO WIVES. (1Sa 1:1-8) HANNAH'S PRAYER. (1Sa 1:9-18) SAMUEL BORN. (1Sa 1:20) HANNAH'S SONG IN THANKFULNESS TO GOD. (1Sa 2:1-11) TH...

TSK: 1 Samuel (Book Introduction) The First Book of SAMUEL, otherwise called " The First Book of the KINGS."

TSK: 1 Samuel 8 (Chapter Introduction) Overview 1Sa 8:1, By occasion of the ill government of Samuel’s sons, the Israelites ask a king; 1Sa 8:6, Samuel praying in grief, is comforted ...

Poole: 1 Samuel (Book Introduction) FIRST BOOK OF SAMUEL OTHERWISE CALLED THE FIRST BOOK OF THE KINGS. THE ARGUMENT. IT is not certainly known who was the penman of this Book, or whe...

Poole: 1 Samuel 8 (Chapter Introduction) SAMUEL CHAPTER 8 Samuel makes his sons judges over Israel; their names, and ill government, 1Sa 8:1-3 . The people ask a king: Samuel is grieved; p...

MHCC: 1 Samuel (Book Introduction) In this book we have an account of Eli, and the wickedness of his sons; also of Samuel, his character and actions. Then of the advancement of Saul to ...

MHCC: 1 Samuel 8 (Chapter Introduction) (1Sa 8:1-3) The evil government of Samuel's sons. (1Sa 8:4-9) The Israelites ask for a king. (1Sa 8:10-22) The manner of a king.

Matthew Henry: 1 Samuel (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The First Book of Samuel This book, and that which follows it, bear the name of Samuel in the title, ...

Matthew Henry: 1 Samuel 8 (Chapter Introduction) Things went so very well with Israel, in the chapter before, under Samuel's administration, that, methinks, it is a pity to find him so quickly, as...

Constable: 1 Samuel (Book Introduction) Introduction Title First and Second Samuel were originally one book called the Book of...

Constable: 1 Samuel (Outline) Outline I. Eli and Samuel chs. 1-3 A. The change from barrenness to fertility 1:1-2:10 ...

Constable: 1 Samuel 1 Samuel Bibliography Ackroyd, Peter R. The First Book of Samuel. Cambridge Bible Commentary on the New English...

Haydock: 1 Samuel (Book Introduction) THE FIRST BOOK OF SAMUEL; otherwise called, THE FIRST BOOK OF KINGS. INTRODUCTION. This and the following Book are called by the Hebrews, the...

Gill: 1 Samuel (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO 1 SAMUEL This book, in the Hebrew copies, is commonly called Samuel, or the Book of Samuel; in the Syriac version, the Book of Samu...

Gill: 1 Samuel 8 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO FIRST SAMUEL 8 This chapter relates, how that Samuel being old, and his sons behaving ill, the people desired to have a king set ov...

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