
Text -- 1 John 2:19 (NET)




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Robertson: 1Jo 2:19 - -- From us ( ex hēmōn )
- of us (ex hēmōn ). The same idiom, ex and the ablative case (hēmōn ), but in different senses to correspond...
From us (
- of us (

Robertson: 1Jo 2:19 - -- For if they had been of us ( ei gar ex hēmōn ēsan ).
Condition of second class with ei and imperfect tense (no aorist for eimi ).
For if they had been of us (
Condition of second class with

Robertson: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They would have continued ( memenēkeisan an ).
Past perfect of menō , to remain, without augment, with an in apodosis of second-class condition...
They would have continued (
Past perfect of

Robertson: 1Jo 2:19 - -- With us ( meth' hēmōn ).
In fellowship, for which see meta in 1Jo 1:3. They had lost the inner fellowship and then apparently voluntarily broke...
With us (
In fellowship, for which see

Robertson: 1Jo 2:19 - -- But they went ( all' ).
Ellipsis of the verb exēlthan above, a common habit (ellipse) in John s Gospel (Joh 1:8; Joh 9:3; Joh 13:18; Joh 15:25).

Robertson: 1Jo 2:19 - -- That they might be made manifest ( hina phanerōthōsin ).
Purpose clause with hina and the first aorist passive subjunctive of phaneroō , for ...

Robertson: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They all are not ( ouk eisin pantes ).
Not just some, but all, as in 1Jo 2:21; 1Jo 3:5. These antichrists are thus revealed in their true light.
Vincent: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They went out from us ( ἐξ ἡμῶν ἐξῆλθαν )
The phrase went out from , may mean either removal (Rev 18:4; Joh 8:59) o...

No doubt
A needless addition of the A.V.

Vincent: 1Jo 2:19 - -- With us ( μεθ ' ἡμῶν )
Ἑν ἡμῖν , among us , would be more according to John's ordinary usage; but his thought rests her...
With us (

Vincent: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They were not all ( οὐκ εἰσὶν πάντες )
Rev., more correctly, they all are not .
They were not all (
Rev., more correctly, they all are not .
Wesley -> 1Jo 2:19
Wesley: 1Jo 2:19 - -- When they went; their hearts were before departed from God, otherwise, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made m...
When they went; their hearts were before departed from God, otherwise, they would have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest - That is, this was made manifest by their going out.
JFB: 1Jo 2:19 - -- From our Christian communion. Not necessarily a formal secession or going out: thus Rome has spiritually gone out, though formally still of the Christ...
From our Christian communion. Not necessarily a formal secession or going out: thus Rome has spiritually gone out, though formally still of the Christian Church.

JFB: 1Jo 2:19 - -- By spiritual fellowship (1Jo 1:3). "They are like bad humors in the body of Christ, the Church: when they are vomited out, then the body is relieved; ...
By spiritual fellowship (1Jo 1:3). "They are like bad humors in the body of Christ, the Church: when they are vomited out, then the body is relieved; the body of Christ is now still under treatment, and has not yet attained the perfect soundness which it shall have only at the resurrection" [AUGUSTINE, Ten Homilies on the First Epistle of John, Homily 3.4].

JFB: 1Jo 2:19 - -- Implying the indefectibility of grace in the elect. "Where God's call is effectual, there will be sure perseverance" [CALVIN]. Still, it is no fatal n...
Implying the indefectibility of grace in the elect. "Where God's call is effectual, there will be sure perseverance" [CALVIN]. Still, it is no fatal necessity, but a "voluntary necessity" [DIDYMUS], which causes men to remain, or else go from the body of Christ. "We are either among the members, or else among the bad humors. It is of his own will that each is either an Antichrist, or in Christ" [AUGUSTINE]. Still God's actings in eternal election harmonize in a way inexplicable to us, with man's free agency and responsibility. It is men's own evil will that chooses the way to hell; it is God's free and sovereign grace that draws any to Himself and to heaven. To God the latter shall ascribe wholly their salvation from first to last: the former shall reproach themselves alone, and not God's decree, with their condemnation (1Jo 3:9; 1Jo 5:18).

JFB: 1Jo 2:19 - -- This translation would imply that some of the Antichrists are of us! Translate, therefore, "that all (who are for a time among us) are not of us." Com...
This translation would imply that some of the Antichrists are of us! Translate, therefore, "that all (who are for a time among us) are not of us." Compare 1Co 11:19, "There must be heresies among you, that they which are approved may be made manifest among you." For "were" some of the oldest manuscripts read "are." Such occasions test who are, and who are not, the Lord's people.
Clarke: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They went out from us - These heretics had belonged to our Christian assemblies, they professed Christianity, and do so still; but we apostles did n...
They went out from us - These heretics had belonged to our Christian assemblies, they professed Christianity, and do so still; but we apostles did not commission them to preach to you, for they have disgraced the Divine doctrine with the most pernicious opinions; they have given up or explained away its most essential principles; they have mingled the rest with heathenish rites and Jewish glosses. While, therefore, we acknowledge that they once belonged to us, we assert that they are not of us. They are not Christians; we abhor their conduct and their creed. We never sent them to teach

Clarke: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They were not of us - For a considerable time before they left our assemblies they gave proofs that they had departed from the faith; for if they ha...
They were not of us - For a considerable time before they left our assemblies they gave proofs that they had departed from the faith; for if they had been of us - if they had been apostles, and continued in the firm belief of the Christian doctrines, they would not have departed from us to form a sect of themselves

Clarke: 1Jo 2:19 - -- That they were not all of us - They were not expelled from the Christian Church; they were not sent out by us; but they separated from it and us. No...
That they were not all of us - They were not expelled from the Christian Church; they were not sent out by us; but they separated from it and us. None of them had been inspired as we apostles were, though they pretended to a very high teaching; but their separating from us manifested that they were not taught, as we were, by the Spirit of God. These false teachers probably drew many sincere souls away with them; and to this it is probable the apostle alludes when he says, they were not All of us. Some were; others were not.
Calvin -> 1Jo 2:19
Calvin: 1Jo 2:19 - -- 19.They went out from us He anticipates another objection, that the Church seemed to have produced these pests, and to have cherished them for a time...
19.They went out from us He anticipates another objection, that the Church seemed to have produced these pests, and to have cherished them for a time in its bosom. For certainly it serves more to disturb the weak, when any one among us, professing the true faith, falls away, than when a thousand aliens conspire against us. He then confesses that they had gone out from the bosom of the Church; but he denies that they were ever of the Church. But the way of removing this objection is, to say, that the Church is always exposed to this evil, so that it is constrained to bear with many hypocrites who know not Christ, really, however much they may by the mouth profess his name.
By saying, They went out from us, he means that they had previously occupied a place in the Church, and were counted among the number of the godly. He, however, denies that they were of them, though they had assumed the name of believers, as chaff though mixed with wheat on the same floor cannot yet be deemed wheat.
For if they had been of us He plainly declares that those who fell away had never been members of the Church. And doubtless the seal of God, under which he keeps his own, remains sure, as Paul says, (2Ti 2:19.) But here arises a difficulty, for it happens that many who seemed to have embraced Christ, often fall away. To this I answer, that there are three sorts of those who profess the Gospel; there are those who feign piety, while a bad conscience reproves them within; the hypocrisy of others is more deceptive, who not only seek to disguise themselves before men, but also dazzle their own eyes, so that they seem to themselves to worship God aright; the third are those who have the living root of faith, and carry a testimony of their own adoption firmly fixed in their hearts. The two first have no stability; of the last John speaks, when he says, that it is impossible that they should be separated from the Church, for the seal which God’s Spirit engraves on their hearts cannot be obliterated; the incorruptible seed, which has struck roots, cannot be pulled up or destroyed.
He does not speak here of the constancy of men, but of God, whose election must be ratified. He does not then, without reason declare, that where the calling of God is effectual, perseverance would be certain. He, in short, means that they who fall away had never been thoroughly imbued with the knowledge of Christ, but had only a light and a transient taste of it.
That they might be made manifest He shews that trial is useful and necessary for the Church. It hence follows, on the other hand, that there is no just cause for perturbation. Since the Church is like a threshing-floor, the chaff must be blown away that the pure wheat may remain. This is what God does, when he casts out hypocrites from the Church, for he then cleanses it from refuse and filth.
Defender -> 1Jo 2:19
Defender: 1Jo 2:19 - -- Those who once professed to believe in Christ and the doctrines of Christianity but then renounced the faith and began to manifest the spirit of antic...
Those who once professed to believe in Christ and the doctrines of Christianity but then renounced the faith and began to manifest the spirit of antichrist are, thereby, proved never to have had true saving faith in Christ at all. All who truly believe and are saved will continue in the faith forever."
TSK -> 1Jo 2:19
TSK: 1Jo 2:19 - -- went out : Deu 13:13; Psa 41:9; Mat 13:20,Mat 13:21; Mar 4:5, Mar 4:6, Mar 4:16, Mar 4:17; Luk 8:13; Joh 15:2; Act 15:24, Act 20:30; 2Pe 2:20,2Pe 2:21...
went out : Deu 13:13; Psa 41:9; Mat 13:20,Mat 13:21; Mar 4:5, Mar 4:6, Mar 4:16, Mar 4:17; Luk 8:13; Joh 15:2; Act 15:24, Act 20:30; 2Pe 2:20,2Pe 2:21; Jud 1:19
for : Job 17:9; Psa 37:28, Psa 125:1, Psa 125:2; Jer 32:38-40; Mat 24:24; Mar 13:22; Joh 4:14, Joh 6:37-39, Joh 10:28-30; 2Ti 2:10,2Ti 2:19; 1Pe 1:2-5; Jud 1:1
they might : Rom 9:6, Rom 11:5, Rom 11:6; 1Co 11:19; 2Ti 3:9; Heb 10:39

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Barnes -> 1Jo 2:19
Barnes: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They went out from us - From the church. That is, they had once been professors of the religion of the Saviour, though their apostasy showed th...
They went out from us - From the church. That is, they had once been professors of the religion of the Saviour, though their apostasy showed that they never had any true piety. John refers to the fact that they had once been in the church, perhaps to remind those to whom he wrote that they knew them well, and could readily appreciate their character. It was a humiliating statement that those who showed themselves to be so utterly opposed to religion had once been members of the Christian church; but this is a statement which we are often compelled to make.
But they were not of us - That is, they did not really belong to us, or were not true Christians. See the notes at Mat 7:23. This passage proves that these persons, whatever their pretensions and professions may have been, were never sincere Christians. The same remark may be made of all who apostatize from the faith, and become teachers of error. They never were truly converted; never belonged really to the spiritual church of Christ.
For if they had been of us - If they had been sincere and true Christians.
They would no doubt have continued with us - The words "no doubt"are supplied by our translators, but the affirmation is equally strong without them: "they would have remained with us."This affirms, without any ambiguity or qualification, that if they had been true Christians they "would"have remained in the church; that is, they would not have apostatized. There could not be a more positive affirmation than that which is implied here, that those who are true Christians will continue to be such; or that the saints will not fall away from grace. John affirms it of these persons, that if they had been true Christians they would never have departed from the church. He makes the declaration so general that it may be regarded as a universal truth, that if "any"are truly "of us,"that is, if they are true Christians, they will continue in the church, or will never fall away. The statement is so made also as to teach that if any "do"fall away from the church, the fact is full proof that they never had any religion, for if they had had they would have remained steadfast in the church.
But they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us - It was suffered or permitted in the providence of God that this should occur, "in order"that it might be seen and known that they were not true Christians, or in order that their real character might be developed. It was desirable that this should be done:
(a)\caps1 i\caps0 n order that the church might be purified from their influence - compare the notes at Joh 15:2;
(b)\caps1 i\caps0 n order that it might not be responsible for their conduct, or reproached on account of it;
©\caps1 i\caps0 n order that their real character might be developed, and they might themselves see that they were not true Christians;
(d)\caps1 i\caps0 n order that, being seen and known as apostates, their opinions and conduct might have less influence than if they were connected with the church;
(e)\caps1 i\caps0 n order that they might themselves understand their own true character, and no longer live under the delusive opinion that they were Christians and were safe, but that, seeing themselves in their true light, they might be brought to repentance.
For there is only a most slender prospect that any who are deceived in the church will ever be brought to true repentance there; and slight as is the hope that one who apostatizes will be, such an event is much more probable than it would be if he remained in the church. People are more likely to be converted when their character is known and understood, than they are when playing a game of deception, or are themselves deceived. What is here affirmed of these persons often occurs now; and those who have no true religion are often suffered to apostatize from their profession for the same purposes. It is better that they should cease to have any connection with the church than that they should remain in it; and God often suffers them to fall away even from the profession of religion, in order that they may not do injury as professing Christians. This very important passage, then, teaches the following things:
(1) That when people apostatize from the profession of religion, and embrace fatal error, or live in sin, it proves that they never had any true piety.
\caps1 (2) t\caps0 he fact that such persons fall away cannot be adduced to prove that Christians ever fall from grace, for it demonstrates nothing on that point, but proves only that these persons never had any real piety. They may have had much that seemed to be religion; they may have been zealous, and apparently devoted to God, and may even have had much comfort and peace in what they took to be piety; they may have been eminently "gifted"in prayer, or may have even been successful preachers of the gospel, but all this does not prove that they ever had any piety, nor does the fact that such persons apostatize from their profession throw any light on a question quite foreign to this - whether true Christians ever fall from grace. Compare Mat 7:22-23.
\caps1 (3) t\caps0 he passage before us proves that if any are true Christians they will remain in the church, or will certainly persevere and be saved. They may indeed backslide grievously; they may wander far away, and pain the hearts of their brethren, and give occasion to the enemies of religion to speak reproachfully; but the apostle says, "if they had been of us, they would have continued with us."
\caps1 (4) o\caps0 ne of the best evidences of true piety is found in the fact of continuing with the church. I do not mean nominally and formally, but really and spiritually, having the heart with the church; loving its peace and promoting its welfare; identifying ourselves with real Christians, and showing that we are ready to cooperate with those who love the Lord Jesus and its cause.
\caps1 (5) t\caps0 he main reason why professing Christians are suffered to apostatize is to show that they had no true religion. It is desirable that they should see it themselves; desirable that others should see it also. It is better that it should be known that they had no true religion than that they should remain in the church to be a burden on its movements, and a reproach to the cause. By being allowed thus to separate themselves from the church, they may be brought to remember their violated vows, and the church will be free from the reproach of having those in its bosom who are a dishonor to the Christian name. We are not to wonder, then, if persons apostatize who have been professors of true religion; and we are not to suppose that the greatest injury is done to the cause when they do it. A greater injury by far is done when such persons remain in the church.
Poole -> 1Jo 2:19
Poole: 1Jo 2:19 - -- If they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: sincere and living Christians are so strongly held in with Christ, and the truly ...
If they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: sincere and living Christians are so strongly held in with Christ, and the truly Christian community, by a union and bond of life, and by sense of pleasures which thereupon they find in that holy communion, with the expectation which their lively faith gives them of eternal life at last, that there is no doubt of their continuance.
But they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us: others, that are Christians upon external inducements, alter, as these do, and are permitted to do so, that the difference may appear between true and counterfeit ones, 1Co 11:19 .
PBC -> 1Jo 2:19
Haydock -> 1Jo 2:19
Haydock: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They were not of us, true and profitable members; though it can scarce be doubted but that some of them, at least for some time, truly believed: and ...
They were not of us, true and profitable members; though it can scarce be doubted but that some of them, at least for some time, truly believed: and by their going off, God was pleased to make it manifest that they were not of his faithful members. Such were Simon Magus, Cerinthus, Ebion, Nicolas of Antioch, &c. (Witham) ---
They, &c. That is, they were not solid, steadfast, genuine Christians, otherwise they would have remained in the Church. (Challoner) ---
The true note or mark of heresy, is the going out of or leaving the Catholic Church. God permitteth some to go out, that the true and tried faithful may be known.
Gill -> 1Jo 2:19
Gill: 1Jo 2:19 - -- They went out from us,.... Which intends not the persons that went down from Judea to Antioch, Act 15:1, who preached destructive doctrines to the Gen...
They went out from us,.... Which intends not the persons that went down from Judea to Antioch, Act 15:1, who preached destructive doctrines to the Gentiles, which the apostles and the church of Judea disowned and censured; by which it appeared, that all the preachers of these doctrines were not of them, and of the same mind with them: for this sense makes these antichrists to be only preachers; whereas, though many of them might be such, yet not all; for whoever, in a private capacity denied the Father and the Son, or that Christ was come in the flesh, was antichrist; and to these private believers are opposed in 1Jo 2:20; and it also makes the "us" to be the apostles, whereas they were all dead but John; and these antichrists were men that had risen up then in the last time, and therefore could not, with propriety, be said to go out from the apostles; besides, whenever the apostle uses this pronoun "us", he includes with himself all true believers, and may more especially here intend the churches of Asia; or rather the members of the church at Ephesus, where he was; nor is it likely he should have in view the church of Judea, and a case in which that was concerned near forty years ago: moreover, such a sense makes the going out to be merely local and corporeal, and which is in itself not criminal; the persons that went from Judea to Antioch were not blamable for going thither, nor for going out from the apostles thither, but for troubling the disciples with words, to the subverting of their souls; nor was a corporeal departure from the apostles any evidence of not being of the same mind with them; for they often departed one from other, yet continued of the same mind, and in the same faith: but the sense is, that there were some persons in the Apostle John's time, who had made a profession of religion, were members of the church, and some of them perhaps preachers, and yet they departed from the faith, and dropped their profession of it, and withdrew themselves from the church, or churches to which they belonged, and set up separate assemblies of their own:
but they were not of us: they were of the church, and of the same mind with it, at least in profession, antecedent to their going out; for had they not been in communion with the church, they could not be properly said to go out of it; and if they had not been of the same mind and faith in profession, they could not be said to depart from it; but they were not truly regenerated by the grace of God, and so apparently were not of the number, of God's elect: notwithstanding their profession and communion with the church, they were of the world, and not of God; they were not true believers; they had not that anointing which abides, and from which persons are truly denominated Christians, or anointed ones:
for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us; in the doctrine of the apostles, and in the fellowship of the church, as true believers do: if their hearts had been right with God, they would have remained steadfast to him, his Gospel, truths, and ordinances, and faithful with his saints; for such who are truly regenerate are born of an incorruptible seed, and those that have received the anointing which makes them truly Christians, that abides, as does every true grace, faith, hope, and love; and such who are truly God's elect cannot possibly fall into such errors and heresies as these did, and be finally deceived, as they were:
but they went out; "they went out from us", so the Syriac version reads;
that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us; the word "all" is left out in the Syriac version. The defection and apostasy of these persons were permitted by God, that it might appear they had never received the grace of God in truth; and their going out was in such a manner, that it was a certain argument that they were not of the elect; since they became antichrists, denied the deity or sonship of Christ, or that he was come in the flesh, or that he was the Christ, and therefore are said to be of the world, and not of God, 1Jo_2:22, so that this passage furnishes out no argument against the saints' perseverance, which is confirmed in 1Jo_2:20.

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NET Notes: 1Jo 2:19 All of them do not belong to us. The opponents chose to depart rather than remain in fellowship with the community to which the author writes and with...
Geneva Bible -> 1Jo 2:19
Geneva Bible: 1Jo 2:19 ( 19 ) They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, ( o ) they would [no doubt] have continued with us: ( 20 ) but [the...

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TSK Synopsis -> 1Jo 2:1-29
TSK Synopsis: 1Jo 2:1-29 - --1 He comforts them against the sins of infirmity.3 Rightly to know God is to keep his commandments;9 to love our brethren;15 and not to love the world...
MHCC -> 1Jo 2:18-23
MHCC: 1Jo 2:18-23 - --Every man is an antichrist, who denies the Person, or any of the offices of Christ; and in denying the Son, he denies the Father also, and has no part...
Matthew Henry -> 1Jo 2:18-19
Matthew Henry: 1Jo 2:18-19 - -- Here is, I. A moral prognostication of the time; the end is coming: Little children, it is the last time, 1Jo 2:18. Some may suppose that the apos...
Barclay -> 1Jo 2:19-21
Barclay: 1Jo 2:19-21 - --As things have turned out, John sees in the Church a time of sifting. The false teachers had voluntarily left the Christian fellowship; and that fa...
Constable: 1Jo 1:5--3:1 - --II. Living in the light 1:5--2:29
"The teaching of 1 John is concerned essentially with the conditions for true ...

Constable: 1Jo 1:8--3:1 - --B. Conditions for living in the light 1:8-2:29
John articulated four fundamental principles that underli...

Constable: 1Jo 2:18-29 - --4. Keeping the Faith 2:18-29
"Since 1:5 the author has been discussing the conditions for living...
