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Text -- 2 Samuel 19:40-43 (NET)
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Wesley: 2Sa 19:40 - -- Whereas the men of Judah came entirely and unanimously to the king, the Israelites of the other tribe came in but slowly, and by halves, as being no l...
Whereas the men of Judah came entirely and unanimously to the king, the Israelites of the other tribe came in but slowly, and by halves, as being no less guilty of the rebellion, than the tribe of Judah; but not encouraged to come in by such a gracious message as they were. And this is here mentioned as the occasion both of the contention here following, and of the sedition, 2Sa. 20:1-22.
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That is, conveyed thee over Jordan hastily, not expecting our concurrence.
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Wesley: 2Sa 19:41 - -- All thy officers, guards, and soldiers. This is mentioned as an aggravation of their fault, that they did not only carry the king over Jordan, but all...
All thy officers, guards, and soldiers. This is mentioned as an aggravation of their fault, that they did not only carry the king over Jordan, but all his men too, without asking their advice.
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Wesley: 2Sa 19:42 - -- Of the same tribe with us, and therefore both oweth the more respect to us, and might expect more respect from us.
Of the same tribe with us, and therefore both oweth the more respect to us, and might expect more respect from us.
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Wesley: 2Sa 19:42 - -- We have neither sought nor gained any advantage to ourselves hereby, but only discharged our duty to the king, and used all expedition in bringing him...
We have neither sought nor gained any advantage to ourselves hereby, but only discharged our duty to the king, and used all expedition in bringing him back, which you also should have done, and not have come in by halves, and so coldly as you have done.
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Wesley: 2Sa 19:43 - -- They say but ten, though strictly there were eleven; either, because they accounted Joseph (which comprehends both Ephraim and Manasseh under it) for ...
They say but ten, though strictly there were eleven; either, because they accounted Joseph (which comprehends both Ephraim and Manasseh under it) for one tribe, or because Simeon, whose lot lay within the tribe of Judah, were joined with them in this action.
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Wesley: 2Sa 19:43 - -- As in the general we have more right in the king and kingdom; so particularly, we have more right in David than you, because you were the first beginn...
As in the general we have more right in the king and kingdom; so particularly, we have more right in David than you, because you were the first beginners, and the most zealous promoters of this rebellion; howsoever, as he is king, we justly claim a greater interest in him, than you; inasmuch as we are the far greatest part of his subjects.
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Wesley: 2Sa 19:43 - -- Instead of mollifying them with gentle words, they answered them with greater fierceness so that David durst not interpose in the matter.
Instead of mollifying them with gentle words, they answered them with greater fierceness so that David durst not interpose in the matter.
JFB -> 2Sa 19:40-43
JFB: 2Sa 19:40-43 - -- Whether from impatience to move on or from some other cause, David did not wait till all the tribes had arrived to conduct him on his return to the ca...
Whether from impatience to move on or from some other cause, David did not wait till all the tribes had arrived to conduct him on his return to the capital. The procession began as soon as Amasa had brought the Judahite escort, and the preference given to this tribe produced a bitter jealousy, which was nearly kindling a civil war fiercer than that which had just ended. A war of words ensued between the tribes--Israel resting their argument on their superior numbers; "they had ten parts in the king," whereas Judah had no more than one. Judah grounded their right to take the lead, on the ground of their nearer relationship to the king. This was a claim dangerous to the house of David; and it shows the seeds were already sown for that tribal dissension which, before long, led to the dismemberment of the kingdom.
Clarke: 2Sa 19:42 - -- Wherefore then be ye angry for this matter? - We have not done this for our own advantage; we have gained nothing by it; we did it through loyal att...
Wherefore then be ye angry for this matter? - We have not done this for our own advantage; we have gained nothing by it; we did it through loyal attachment to our king.
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Clarke: 2Sa 19:43 - -- We have ten parts in the king, and - more right - We are ten tribes to one, or we are ten times so many as you; and consequently should have been co...
We have ten parts in the king, and - more right - We are ten tribes to one, or we are ten times so many as you; and consequently should have been consulted in this business
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Clarke: 2Sa 19:43 - -- The words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel - They had more weight, for they had more reason on their side
It is ...
The words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel - They had more weight, for they had more reason on their side
It is pleasant when every province, canton, district, and county, vie with each other in personal attachment to the prince, and loyal attachment to his government. From such contentions as these civil wars are never likely to arise. And how blessed it must be for the country where the king merits all this! where the prince is the pastor and father of his people, and in all things the minister of and to them for good
It is criminal in the prince not to endeavor to deserve the confidence and love of his people; and it is highly criminal in the people not to repay such endeavors with the most loyal and affectionate attachment
Where the government is not despotic, the king acts by the counsels of his ministers, and while he does so he is not chargeable with miscarriages and misfortunes; they either came through bad counsels, or directly thwarting providences. On this ground is that political maxim in our laws formed, the king can do no wrong. Sometimes God will have things otherwise than the best counsels have determined, because he sees that the results will, on the whole, be better for the peace and prosperity of that state. "God is the only Ruler of princes."And as the peace of the world depends much on civil government, hence kings and civil governors are peculiar objects of the Almighty’ s care. Wo to him who labors to bring about a general disaffection; as such things almost invariably end in general disappointment and calamity. It is much easier to unsettle than to settle; to pull down than to build up.
Chimham : Heb. Chimhan
all the people : 2Sa 19:11-15; Gen 49:10; Mat 21:9
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TSK: 2Sa 19:41 - -- Why have : Jdg 8:1, Jdg 12:1; Joh 7:5, Joh 7:6
stolen : 2Sa 19:3; Gen 31:26, Gen 31:27
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TSK: 2Sa 19:43 - -- We have : 2Sa 20:1, 2Sa 20:6; 1Ki 12:16
ten parts : 2Sa 5:1; Pro 13:10
despise us : Heb. set us at light
our advice : 2Sa 19:9, 2Sa 19:14; Gal 5:20, G...
We have : 2Sa 20:1, 2Sa 20:6; 1Ki 12:16
ten parts : 2Sa 5:1; Pro 13:10
despise us : Heb. set us at light
our advice : 2Sa 19:9, 2Sa 19:14; Gal 5:20, Gal 5:26; Phi 2:3
the words : Jdg 8:1, Jdg 9:23, Jdg 12:1-6; Pro 15:1, Pro 17:14, Pro 18:19; Rom 12:21; Gal 5:15, Gal 5:20; Jam 1:20, Jam 3:2-10, Jam 3:14-16, Jam 4:1-5; Whatever value or respect the men of Israel at this time professed for their king, they would not have quarrelled so fiercely about their own credit and interest in recalling him, if they had been truly sorry for their former rebellion.
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Barnes -> 2Sa 19:41
Barnes: 2Sa 19:41 - -- It seems that David and his whole party made a halt at Gilgal 2Sa 19:15; 1Sa 11:14, and possibly made some solemn agreement there about the kingdom....
It seems that David and his whole party made a halt at Gilgal 2Sa 19:15; 1Sa 11:14, and possibly made some solemn agreement there about the kingdom. But while they were there, "all the men of Israel,"representatives from the tribes not included in "half the people of Israel"2Sa 19:40, came up in great wrath at finding that the restoration had been accomplished without consulting them, and accused the men of Judah of unfair dealing.
Poole: 2Sa 19:40 - -- Conducted the king attended upon him on his journey towards Jerusalem.
And also half the people of Israel whereas the men of Judah came entirely an...
Conducted the king attended upon him on his journey towards Jerusalem.
And also half the people of Israel whereas the men of Judah came entirely and unanimously to the king, as is noted here, and above, 2Sa 19:14 , the Israelites of the other tribes came in but slowly, and by halves, as being no less guilty of the rebellion than the tribe of Judah; but not encouraged and invited to come in by such a particular and gracious message as they were. And this is here mentioned as the occasion both of the contention here following, and of the sedition, 2Sa 20 .
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Poole: 2Sa 19:41 - -- All the men of Israel to wit, such as were present.
Stolen thee away i.e. conveyed thee over Jordan hastily and privily, not expecting nor desiring...
All the men of Israel to wit, such as were present.
Stolen thee away i.e. conveyed thee over Jordan hastily and privily, not expecting nor desiring our consent and concurrence in the business, which we were no less ready to afford than they. It is also a secret reflection upon the king, for permitting this precipitation.
All David’ s men i.e. all thy men; such changes of persons being most frequent in the Hebrew language; thy officers, and guards, and soldiers. This is mentioned as an aggravation of their fault, that they did not only carry the king over Jordan, but all his men too, without asking their advice.
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Poole: 2Sa 19:42 - -- Near of kin to us of the same tribe with us, and therefore both oweth the more respect to us, and might expect and challenge more respect from us. Ha...
Near of kin to us of the same tribe with us, and therefore both oweth the more respect to us, and might expect and challenge more respect from us. Hath he given us any gift? we have neither sought nor gained any advantage to ourselves hereby, but only discharged our duty to the king, and used all expedition in bringing him back, which you also should have done, and not have come in by halves, and so coldly as you have done. See 2Sa 19:40 .
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Poole: 2Sa 19:43 - -- We have ten parts they say but ten, though strictly there were eleven; either because they accounted Joseph (which comprehends both Ephraim and Manas...
We have ten parts they say but ten, though strictly there were eleven; either because they accounted Joseph (which comprehends both Ephraim and Manasseh under it) for one tribe, as it is sometimes reckoned; or because Simeon, whose lot lay within the tribe of Judah, were joined with them in this action.
In the king i.e. in the kingdom, and the management of the affairs of it; the word king being put for kingdom , as it is 2Ch 23:20 Isa 23:15 Dan 7:17 Hos 10:15 . Or, in the king’ s person, and the disposal thereof.
We have also more right in David than ye as in the general we have more right in the king and kingdom, so particularly we have more right in David, than you, because you were the first beginners and the most zealous promoters of this rebellion; and as David is nearest of kin to you, so he hath been most injured by you; howsoever, as he is king, we justly claim a greater interest in him than you, inasmuch as we are the far greatest part of his subjects.
That our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king that we being the far greater number, should not have the first and chiefest vote in this action. But the words are by some, and may well be, rendered interrogatively, And was not my word first about bringing the king back ? Did not we make the first mention of it, before you could be drawn to it? For so indeed they did, 2Sa 19:11 ; and therefore the neglect of their advice herein might seem more inexcusable.
The words of the men of Judah were fiercer instead of mollifying them with gentle words, they answered them with greater fierceness and insolency; so that David durst not interpose himself in the matter.
Haydock: 2Sa 19:40 - -- There; coming up, for the most part, after the king had crossed the river. They had intended to have escorted him from Mahanaim. (Haydock)
There; coming up, for the most part, after the king had crossed the river. They had intended to have escorted him from Mahanaim. (Haydock)
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Stolen; as if the king were not the common father of all. (Salien)
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Haydock: 2Sa 19:42 - -- Nearer related. (Haydock) ---
Us. What advantage have we gained? or, what have you lost? (Calmet)
Nearer related. (Haydock) ---
Us. What advantage have we gained? or, what have you lost? (Calmet)
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Haydock: 2Sa 19:43 - -- Ten parts. They might have said they were twelve tribes for one; and though the tribe of Juda was more numerous than many others, it was not equal t...
Ten parts. They might have said they were twelve tribes for one; and though the tribe of Juda was more numerous than many others, it was not equal to them all. (Calmet) ---
But the disproportion was by no means so great as ten to one; so that the Israelites unjustly pretended, that they had so much greater pretensions to the honour of bringing the king to his capital, in a sort of triumph. David might perhaps have waited a little longer, (Haydock) and shewed less predilection for his own tribe. (Calmet) (Salien) ---
But what obligation was there for either? He had been long enough from Jerusalem, and eager to return, as soon as Amasa brought to him the tribe of Juda, and several of Benjamin, ver. 16. What hindered the rest from coming in time? They seem to have pretended more loyalty than they really possessed; otherwise they would not have joined in every rebellion. (Haydock) ---
First. Hebrew may be, "did not I first propose the bringing back the king?" ver. 11. (Calmet) ---
Israel. Tostat says, it is probable Juda asserted that the king did not, at all, belong to Israel; and hence Seba repeated the words with indignation, chap. xx. 1. It is wonderful that David did not repress this altercation. Abulensis supposes that he leaned too much towards his own tribe; for which, if true, we behold he was soon chastised; as God is always ready to reward or punish his servants. (Salien) ---
But all that David said is not recorded. He could hardly have continued silent. All his endeavours to appease the sedition were, however, rendered abortive, by the evil dispositions of his subjects. (Haydock)
Gill: 2Sa 19:40 - -- Then the king went on to Gilgal,.... Which, according to Josephus n, was fifty furlongs from Jordan, six miles and a quarter:
and Chimham went on w...
Then the king went on to Gilgal,.... Which, according to Josephus n, was fifty furlongs from Jordan, six miles and a quarter:
and Chimham went on with him; after Barzillai had left them, and accompanied the king to Jerusalem:
and all the people of Judah conducted the king; to Jerusalem; who came to meet him, 2Sa 19:15,
and also half the people of Israel; or a part of them, as the word used signifies, and not always an equal half, so Kimchi observes; even such of Israel as went out with David at first, and the a thousand men of Benjamin that came to meet him, 2Sa 19:17.
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Gill: 2Sa 19:41 - -- And, behold, all the men of Israel came to the king,.... A large number of them, the other part that did not come over with David, some of their princ...
And, behold, all the men of Israel came to the king,.... A large number of them, the other part that did not come over with David, some of their principal men, who met him upon the road:
and said unto the king, why have our brethren, the men of Judah, stolen thee away; secretly, privately, and unknown to them, and were bringing him back to Jerusalem:
and have brought the king, and his household, and all David's men with him, over Jordan? him, and his family, and soldiers.
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Gill: 2Sa 19:42 - -- And all the men of Judah answered the men of Israel,.... Such of them as went down to fetch the king back, replied to the men of Israel that now met t...
And all the men of Judah answered the men of Israel,.... Such of them as went down to fetch the king back, replied to the men of Israel that now met them, and objected to their conduct:
because the king is near of kin to us; being of their tribe, and his palace was within their borders, and therefore they were proper persons to bring him home:
wherefore then be ye angry for this matter? for bringing the king back, and being the first in it; for who so proper as they, not only to do their duty, but to show their affection to the king as early as possible?
have we eaten at all of the king's cost? they had maintained themselves at their own expense, going and returning; they had no self-interest or selfish views to serve, but on the contrary had been at a considerable charge to meet the king, and conduct him home:
or hath he given us any gift? no, he had not, nor did they expect any; it was not with a view to any reward that they had taken this step, but purely out of affection to the king, and for the good of their country.
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Gill: 2Sa 19:43 - -- And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said,.... They replied to them, as follows:
we have ten parts in the king; being ten tribes, r...
And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said,.... They replied to them, as follows:
we have ten parts in the king; being ten tribes, reckoning Simeon in the tribe of Judah, within which it lay, Jos 19:1,
and we have, also more right in David than ye; being more numerous than they; or, according to the Targum, they had more affection and good will towards David than the men of Judah, though he was of their tribe, and dwelt among them; since the rebellion was begun, and was cherished and carried on among them:
why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? they were as ready and as desirous as they to fetch the king back; and since they were far the largest body of men, and the far greater part of the nation, they thought they ought to have been consulted in an affair of so much importance, and that doing it without them was slighting them, and casting contempt upon them, and insinuating as if they were enemies to the king; or, as the Targum expresses it,"was not my word first to bring back my king?''the first motion was from them, as appears from 2Sa 19:11; and therefore the thing should not have been done without them; they should have been apprized of it, that they might at least have joined them, and shared in the honour with them of bringing the king back:
and the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel; not those that are here recorded, but what followed, and are not written, being so very warm and indecent; and David being silent in this hot dispute between them, which was interpreted taking the part of Judah, the men of Israel were incensed at it; and hence arose a new rebellion, of which more in the next chapter how it began, and was crushed.
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NET Notes: 2Sa 19:40 The translation follows the Qere and many medieval Hebrew mss in reading the Hiphil verb הֶעֱבִיר...
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NET Notes: 2Sa 19:43 The translation understands the verb in a desiderative sense, indicating the desire but not necessarily the completed action of the party in question....
Geneva Bible: 2Sa 19:40 Then the king went on to ( r ) Gilgal, and Chimham went on with him: and all the people of Judah conducted the king, and also half the people of ( s )...
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Geneva Bible: 2Sa 19:41 And, behold, all the men of Israel came to the king, and said unto the king, Why have our brethren the men of Judah stolen thee away, and have brought...
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TSK Synopsis -> 2Sa 19:1-43
TSK Synopsis: 2Sa 19:1-43 - --1 Joab causes the king to cease his mourning.9 The Israelites are earnest to bring the king back.11 David sends to the priests to incite them of Judah...
MHCC -> 2Sa 19:40-43
MHCC: 2Sa 19:40-43 - --The men of Israel though themselves despised, and the fiercer words of the men of Judah produced very bad effects. Much evil might be avoided, if men ...
Matthew Henry -> 2Sa 19:40-43
Matthew Henry: 2Sa 19:40-43 - -- David came over Jordan attended and assisted only by the men of Judah; but when he had advanced as far as Gilgal, the first stage on this side Jorda...
Keil-Delitzsch -> 2Sa 19:40-43
Keil-Delitzsch: 2Sa 19:40-43 - --
Quarrel between Israel and Judah about the restoration of the king. - 2Sa 19:40. David went across to Gilgal (in the plain of the Jordan: Jos 4:19)...
Constable: 2Sa 9:1--20:26 - --VI. DAVID'S TROUBLES chs. 9--20
Chapters 9-20 contrast with chapters 2-8 in that this later section is negative ...
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Constable: 2Sa 13:1--20:26 - --C. David's Rejection and Return chs. 13-20
This is the longest literary section in the Court History of ...
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Constable: 2Sa 15:1--20:26 - --2. Absalom's attempt to usurp David's throne chs. 15-20
Absalom was never Yahweh's choice to suc...
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