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Text -- 2 Samuel 19:43 (NET)

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19:43 The men of Israel replied to the men of Judah, “We have ten shares in the king, and we have a greater claim on David than you do! Why do you want to curse us? Weren’t we the first to suggest bringing back our king?” But the comments of the men of Judah were more severe than those of the men of Israel.
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Names, People and Places, Dictionary Themes and Topics

Names, People and Places:
 · David a son of Jesse of Judah; king of Israel,son of Jesse of Judah; king of Israel
 · Israel a citizen of Israel.,a member of the nation of Israel
 · Judah the son of Jacob and Leah; founder of the tribe of Judah,a tribe, the land/country,a son of Joseph; the father of Simeon; an ancestor of Jesus,son of Jacob/Israel and Leah; founder of the tribe of Judah,the tribe of Judah,citizens of the southern kingdom of Judah,citizens of the Persian Province of Judah; the Jews who had returned from Babylonian exile,"house of Judah", a phrase which highlights the political leadership of the tribe of Judah,"king of Judah", a phrase which relates to the southern kingdom of Judah,"kings of Judah", a phrase relating to the southern kingdom of Judah,"princes of Judah", a phrase relating to the kingdom of Judah,the territory allocated to the tribe of Judah, and also the extended territory of the southern kingdom of Judah,the Province of Judah under Persian rule,"hill country of Judah", the relatively cool and green central highlands of the territory of Judah,"the cities of Judah",the language of the Jews; Hebrew,head of a family of Levites who returned from Exile,a Levite who put away his heathen wife,a man who was second in command of Jerusalem; son of Hassenuah of Benjamin,a Levite in charge of the songs of thanksgiving in Nehemiah's time,a leader who helped dedicate Nehemiah's wall,a Levite musician who helped Zechariah of Asaph dedicate Nehemiah's wall


Dictionary Themes and Topics: Strife | Judah | Jealousy | Israel | Gilgal | Flattery | David | BENJAMIN | ADVICE; ADVISE; ADVISEMENT | more
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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per phrase)

Wesley: 2Sa 19:43 - -- They say but ten, though strictly there were eleven; either, because they accounted Joseph (which comprehends both Ephraim and Manasseh under it) for ...

They say but ten, though strictly there were eleven; either, because they accounted Joseph (which comprehends both Ephraim and Manasseh under it) for one tribe, or because Simeon, whose lot lay within the tribe of Judah, were joined with them in this action.

Wesley: 2Sa 19:43 - -- As in the general we have more right in the king and kingdom; so particularly, we have more right in David than you, because you were the first beginn...

As in the general we have more right in the king and kingdom; so particularly, we have more right in David than you, because you were the first beginners, and the most zealous promoters of this rebellion; howsoever, as he is king, we justly claim a greater interest in him, than you; inasmuch as we are the far greatest part of his subjects.

Wesley: 2Sa 19:43 - -- Instead of mollifying them with gentle words, they answered them with greater fierceness so that David durst not interpose in the matter.

Instead of mollifying them with gentle words, they answered them with greater fierceness so that David durst not interpose in the matter.

JFB: 2Sa 19:40-43 - -- Whether from impatience to move on or from some other cause, David did not wait till all the tribes had arrived to conduct him on his return to the ca...

Whether from impatience to move on or from some other cause, David did not wait till all the tribes had arrived to conduct him on his return to the capital. The procession began as soon as Amasa had brought the Judahite escort, and the preference given to this tribe produced a bitter jealousy, which was nearly kindling a civil war fiercer than that which had just ended. A war of words ensued between the tribes--Israel resting their argument on their superior numbers; "they had ten parts in the king," whereas Judah had no more than one. Judah grounded their right to take the lead, on the ground of their nearer relationship to the king. This was a claim dangerous to the house of David; and it shows the seeds were already sown for that tribal dissension which, before long, led to the dismemberment of the kingdom.

Clarke: 2Sa 19:43 - -- We have ten parts in the king, and - more right - We are ten tribes to one, or we are ten times so many as you; and consequently should have been co...

We have ten parts in the king, and - more right - We are ten tribes to one, or we are ten times so many as you; and consequently should have been consulted in this business

Clarke: 2Sa 19:43 - -- The words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel - They had more weight, for they had more reason on their side It is ...

The words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel - They had more weight, for they had more reason on their side

It is pleasant when every province, canton, district, and county, vie with each other in personal attachment to the prince, and loyal attachment to his government. From such contentions as these civil wars are never likely to arise. And how blessed it must be for the country where the king merits all this! where the prince is the pastor and father of his people, and in all things the minister of and to them for good

It is criminal in the prince not to endeavor to deserve the confidence and love of his people; and it is highly criminal in the people not to repay such endeavors with the most loyal and affectionate attachment

Where the government is not despotic, the king acts by the counsels of his ministers, and while he does so he is not chargeable with miscarriages and misfortunes; they either came through bad counsels, or directly thwarting providences. On this ground is that political maxim in our laws formed, the king can do no wrong. Sometimes God will have things otherwise than the best counsels have determined, because he sees that the results will, on the whole, be better for the peace and prosperity of that state. "God is the only Ruler of princes."And as the peace of the world depends much on civil government, hence kings and civil governors are peculiar objects of the Almighty’ s care. Wo to him who labors to bring about a general disaffection; as such things almost invariably end in general disappointment and calamity. It is much easier to unsettle than to settle; to pull down than to build up.

TSK: 2Sa 19:43 - -- We have : 2Sa 20:1, 2Sa 20:6; 1Ki 12:16 ten parts : 2Sa 5:1; Pro 13:10 despise us : Heb. set us at light our advice : 2Sa 19:9, 2Sa 19:14; Gal 5:20, G...

We have : 2Sa 20:1, 2Sa 20:6; 1Ki 12:16

ten parts : 2Sa 5:1; Pro 13:10

despise us : Heb. set us at light

our advice : 2Sa 19:9, 2Sa 19:14; Gal 5:20, Gal 5:26; Phi 2:3

the words : Jdg 8:1, Jdg 9:23, Jdg 12:1-6; Pro 15:1, Pro 17:14, Pro 18:19; Rom 12:21; Gal 5:15, Gal 5:20; Jam 1:20, Jam 3:2-10, Jam 3:14-16, Jam 4:1-5; Whatever value or respect the men of Israel at this time professed for their king, they would not have quarrelled so fiercely about their own credit and interest in recalling him, if they had been truly sorry for their former rebellion.

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Poole: 2Sa 19:43 - -- We have ten parts they say but ten, though strictly there were eleven; either because they accounted Joseph (which comprehends both Ephraim and Manas...

We have ten parts they say but ten, though strictly there were eleven; either because they accounted Joseph (which comprehends both Ephraim and Manasseh under it) for one tribe, as it is sometimes reckoned; or because Simeon, whose lot lay within the tribe of Judah, were joined with them in this action.

In the king i.e. in the kingdom, and the management of the affairs of it; the word king being put for kingdom , as it is 2Ch 23:20 Isa 23:15 Dan 7:17 Hos 10:15 . Or, in the king’ s person, and the disposal thereof.

We have also more right in David than ye as in the general we have more right in the king and kingdom, so particularly we have more right in David, than you, because you were the first beginners and the most zealous promoters of this rebellion; and as David is nearest of kin to you, so he hath been most injured by you; howsoever, as he is king, we justly claim a greater interest in him than you, inasmuch as we are the far greatest part of his subjects.

That our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king that we being the far greater number, should not have the first and chiefest vote in this action. But the words are by some, and may well be, rendered interrogatively, And was not my word first about bringing the king back ? Did not we make the first mention of it, before you could be drawn to it? For so indeed they did, 2Sa 19:11 ; and therefore the neglect of their advice herein might seem more inexcusable.

The words of the men of Judah were fiercer instead of mollifying them with gentle words, they answered them with greater fierceness and insolency; so that David durst not interpose himself in the matter.

Haydock: 2Sa 19:43 - -- Ten parts. They might have said they were twelve tribes for one; and though the tribe of Juda was more numerous than many others, it was not equal t...

Ten parts. They might have said they were twelve tribes for one; and though the tribe of Juda was more numerous than many others, it was not equal to them all. (Calmet) ---

But the disproportion was by no means so great as ten to one; so that the Israelites unjustly pretended, that they had so much greater pretensions to the honour of bringing the king to his capital, in a sort of triumph. David might perhaps have waited a little longer, (Haydock) and shewed less predilection for his own tribe. (Calmet) (Salien) ---

But what obligation was there for either? He had been long enough from Jerusalem, and eager to return, as soon as Amasa brought to him the tribe of Juda, and several of Benjamin, ver. 16. What hindered the rest from coming in time? They seem to have pretended more loyalty than they really possessed; otherwise they would not have joined in every rebellion. (Haydock) ---

First. Hebrew may be, "did not I first propose the bringing back the king?" ver. 11. (Calmet) ---

Israel. Tostat says, it is probable Juda asserted that the king did not, at all, belong to Israel; and hence Seba repeated the words with indignation, chap. xx. 1. It is wonderful that David did not repress this altercation. Abulensis supposes that he leaned too much towards his own tribe; for which, if true, we behold he was soon chastised; as God is always ready to reward or punish his servants. (Salien) ---

But all that David said is not recorded. He could hardly have continued silent. All his endeavours to appease the sedition were, however, rendered abortive, by the evil dispositions of his subjects. (Haydock)

Gill: 2Sa 19:43 - -- And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said,.... They replied to them, as follows: we have ten parts in the king; being ten tribes, r...

And the men of Israel answered the men of Judah, and said,.... They replied to them, as follows:

we have ten parts in the king; being ten tribes, reckoning Simeon in the tribe of Judah, within which it lay, Jos 19:1,

and we have, also more right in David than ye; being more numerous than they; or, according to the Targum, they had more affection and good will towards David than the men of Judah, though he was of their tribe, and dwelt among them; since the rebellion was begun, and was cherished and carried on among them:

why then did ye despise us, that our advice should not be first had in bringing back our king? they were as ready and as desirous as they to fetch the king back; and since they were far the largest body of men, and the far greater part of the nation, they thought they ought to have been consulted in an affair of so much importance, and that doing it without them was slighting them, and casting contempt upon them, and insinuating as if they were enemies to the king; or, as the Targum expresses it,"was not my word first to bring back my king?''the first motion was from them, as appears from 2Sa 19:11; and therefore the thing should not have been done without them; they should have been apprized of it, that they might at least have joined them, and shared in the honour with them of bringing the king back:

and the words of the men of Judah were fiercer than the words of the men of Israel; not those that are here recorded, but what followed, and are not written, being so very warm and indecent; and David being silent in this hot dispute between them, which was interpreted taking the part of Judah, the men of Israel were incensed at it; and hence arose a new rebellion, of which more in the next chapter how it began, and was crushed.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: 2Sa 19:43 The translation understands the verb in a desiderative sense, indicating the desire but not necessarily the completed action of the party in question....

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: 2Sa 19:1-43 - --1 Joab causes the king to cease his mourning.9 The Israelites are earnest to bring the king back.11 David sends to the priests to incite them of Judah...

MHCC: 2Sa 19:40-43 - --The men of Israel though themselves despised, and the fiercer words of the men of Judah produced very bad effects. Much evil might be avoided, if men ...

Matthew Henry: 2Sa 19:40-43 - -- David came over Jordan attended and assisted only by the men of Judah; but when he had advanced as far as Gilgal, the first stage on this side Jorda...

Keil-Delitzsch: 2Sa 19:40-43 - -- Quarrel between Israel and Judah about the restoration of the king. - 2Sa 19:40. David went across to Gilgal (in the plain of the Jordan: Jos 4:19)...

Constable: 2Sa 9:1--20:26 - --VI. DAVID'S TROUBLES chs. 9--20 Chapters 9-20 contrast with chapters 2-8 in that this later section is negative ...

Constable: 2Sa 13:1--20:26 - --C. David's Rejection and Return chs. 13-20 This is the longest literary section in the Court History of ...

Constable: 2Sa 15:1--20:26 - --2. Absalom's attempt to usurp David's throne chs. 15-20 Absalom was never Yahweh's choice to suc...

Constable: 2Sa 19:9-43 - --David's return to Jerusalem 19:9-43 "In the overall structure of chapters 15-20 (more pr...

Guzik: 2Sa 19:1-43 - --2 Samuel 19 - The Kingdom Is Restored to David A. David's mourning and Joab's rebuke. 1. (1-3) The effect of David's grief upon his loyal supporters...

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) THE FIRST AND SECOND BOOKS OF SAMUEL. The two were, by the ancient Jews, conjoined so as to make one book, and in that form could be called the Book o...

JFB: 2 Samuel (Outline) AN AMALEKITE BRINGS TIDINGS OF SAUL'S DEATH. (2Sa. 1:1-16) DAVID LAMENTS SAUL AND JONATHAN. (2Sa 1:17-27) DAVID, BY GOD'S DIRECTION, GOES UP TO HEBRO...

TSK: 2 Samuel 19 (Chapter Introduction) Overview 2Sa 19:1, Joab causes the king to cease his mourning; 2Sa 19:9, The Israelites are earnest to bring the king back; 2Sa 19:11, David sends...

Poole: 2 Samuel 19 (Chapter Introduction) SAMUEL CHAPTER 19 . Joab by hard words moveth the king to cease his mourning, and show himself to the people, 2Sa 19:1-8 . The king is brought back ...

MHCC: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) This book is the history of the reign of king David. It relates his victories, the growth of the prosperity of Israel, and his reformation of the stat...

MHCC: 2 Samuel 19 (Chapter Introduction) (2Sa 19:1-8) Joab causes David to cease mourning. (2Sa 19:9-15) David returns to Jordan. (2Sa 19:16-23) He pardons Shimei. (2Sa 19:24-30) Mephibosh...

Matthew Henry: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Second Book of Samuel This book is the history of the reign of king David. We had in the foregoing ...

Matthew Henry: 2 Samuel 19 (Chapter Introduction) We left David's army in triumph and yet David himself in tears: now here we have, I. His return to himself, by the persuasion of Joab (2Sa 19:1-8)...

Constable: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) Introduction Second Samuel continues the history begun in 1 Samuel. Please see my comments regarding 2 Samuel's title, d...

Constable: 2 Samuel (Outline) Outline (Continued from notes on 1 Samuel) V. David's triumphs chs. 1-8 ...

Constable: 2 Samuel 2 Samuel Bibliography Achtemeier, Paul J., and Elizabeth Achtemeier. The Old Testament Roots of Our Faith. Phil...

Haydock: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) THE SECOND BOOK OF SAMUEL; otherwise called, THE SECOND BOOK OF KINGS. INTRODUCTION. This Book contains the transactions of David till the end ...

Gill: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO 2 SAMUEL This book, in many copies of the Hebrew Bible, is carried on without any new title put unto it; the reason of it is, becau...

Gill: 2 Samuel 19 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO SECOND SAMUEL 19 David indulging to too much grief for the death of his son, is rebuked by Joab, and threatened with a revolt of th...

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