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Text -- 2 Samuel 24:9 (NET)

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24:9 Joab reported the number of warriors to the king. In Israel there were 800,000 sword-wielding warriors, and in Judah there were 500,000 soldiers.
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Names, People and Places, Dictionary Themes and Topics

Names, People and Places:
 · Israel a citizen of Israel.,a member of the nation of Israel
 · Joab son of Zeruiah, David's sister; commander of King David's army,son of Seraiah son of Kenaz of Judah; grand nephew of Caleb of Moses' time,a man whose descendants returned from exile in Babylon,ancestor of a family group who returned from exile headed by Obadiah the son of Jehiel
 · Judah the son of Jacob and Leah; founder of the tribe of Judah,a tribe, the land/country,a son of Joseph; the father of Simeon; an ancestor of Jesus,son of Jacob/Israel and Leah; founder of the tribe of Judah,the tribe of Judah,citizens of the southern kingdom of Judah,citizens of the Persian Province of Judah; the Jews who had returned from Babylonian exile,"house of Judah", a phrase which highlights the political leadership of the tribe of Judah,"king of Judah", a phrase which relates to the southern kingdom of Judah,"kings of Judah", a phrase relating to the southern kingdom of Judah,"princes of Judah", a phrase relating to the kingdom of Judah,the territory allocated to the tribe of Judah, and also the extended territory of the southern kingdom of Judah,the Province of Judah under Persian rule,"hill country of Judah", the relatively cool and green central highlands of the territory of Judah,"the cities of Judah",the language of the Jews; Hebrew,head of a family of Levites who returned from Exile,a Levite who put away his heathen wife,a man who was second in command of Jerusalem; son of Hassenuah of Benjamin,a Levite in charge of the songs of thanksgiving in Nehemiah's time,a leader who helped dedicate Nehemiah's wall,a Levite musician who helped Zechariah of Asaph dedicate Nehemiah's wall


Dictionary Themes and Topics: Temptation | SAMUEL, BOOKS OF | SALVATION | Rulers | Presumption | NUMBER | Judah | Joab | Israel | GUILT | David | Census | Army | Armies | more
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JFB: 2Sa 24:9 - -- The amount here stated, compared with 1Ch 21:5, gives a difference of three hundred thousand. The discrepancy is only apparent, and admits of an easy ...

The amount here stated, compared with 1Ch 21:5, gives a difference of three hundred thousand. The discrepancy is only apparent, and admits of an easy reconciliation; thus (see 1Ch 27:1-15), there were twelve divisions of generals, who commanded monthly, and whose duty was to keep guard on the royal person, each having a body of troops consisting of twenty-four thousand men, which, together, formed an army of two hundred eighty-eight thousand; and as a separate detachment of twelve thousand was attendant on the twelve princes of the twelve tribes mentioned in the same chapter, so both are equal to three hundred thousand. These were not reckoned in this book, because they were in the actual service of the king as a regular militia. But 1Ch 21:5 joins them to the rest, saying, "all those of Israel were one million, one hundred thousand"; whereas the author of Samuel, who reckons only the eight hundred thousand, does not say, "all those of Israel," but barely "and Israel were," &c. It must also be observed that, exclusive of the troops before mentioned, there was an army of observation on the frontiers of the Philistines' country, composed of thirty thousand men, as appears from 2Sa 6:1; which, it seems, were included in the number of five hundred thousand of the people of Judah by the author of Samuel. But the author of Chronicles, who mentions only four hundred seventy thousand, gives the number of that tribe exclusive of those thirty thousand men, because they were not all of the tribe of Judah, and therefore he does not say, "all those of Judah," as he had said, "all those of Israel," but only, "and those of Judah." Thus both accounts may be reconciled [DAVIDSON].

Clarke: 2Sa 24:9 - -- In Israel eight hundred thousand - the men of Judah were five hundred thousand - In the parallel place, 1Ch 21:5, the sums are widely different: in ...

In Israel eight hundred thousand - the men of Judah were five hundred thousand - In the parallel place, 1Ch 21:5, the sums are widely different: in Israel one million one hundred thousand, in Judah four hundred and seventy thousand. Neither of these sums is too great, but they cannot be both correct; and which is the true number is difficult to say. The former seems the most likely; but more corruptions have taken place in the numbers of the historical books of the Old Testament, than in any other part of the sacred records. To attempt to reconcile them in every part is lost labor; better at once acknowledge what cannot be successfully denied, that although the original writers of the Old Testament wrote under the influence of the Divine Spirit, yet we are not told that the same influence descended on all copiers of their words, so as absolutely to prevent them from making mistakes. They might mistake, and they did mistake; but a careful collation of the different historical books serves to correct all essential errors of the scribes. See the Dissertations of Dr. Kennicott mentioned at the conclusion of the preceding chapter.

Defender: 2Sa 24:9 - -- 1Ch 21:5 gives the number as 1.1 million. Possibly the 288,000 listed in 1Ch 27:1-15 make up the difference.

1Ch 21:5 gives the number as 1.1 million. Possibly the 288,000 listed in 1Ch 27:1-15 make up the difference.

Defender: 2Sa 24:9 - -- This number is 470,000 in 1Ch 21:5. The latter number, however, did not include the men from Levi and Benjamin (1Ch 21:6).

This number is 470,000 in 1Ch 21:5. The latter number, however, did not include the men from Levi and Benjamin (1Ch 21:6).

Defender: 2Sa 24:9 - -- In 1Ch 21:5, these numbers are given respectively, as 1,100,00 and 470,000. However, the 800,000 in Israel are said in 2 Samuel to be valiant men, exp...

In 1Ch 21:5, these numbers are given respectively, as 1,100,00 and 470,000. However, the 800,000 in Israel are said in 2 Samuel to be valiant men, experienced in warfare, suggesting that the other 300,000 were of military age but not yet tested in battle. As far as the numbers in Judah are concerned, the total in 2 Samuel included the tribe of Benjamin, while the total in 1 Chronicles did not (1Ch 21:6). Apparently the 500,000 in Judah had been simply augmented by an estimated total of 30,000 for Benjamin."

TSK: 2Sa 24:9 - -- eight hundred thousand : 1Ch 21:5, 1Ch 21:6, 1Ch 27:23, 1Ch 27:24

eight hundred thousand : 1Ch 21:5, 1Ch 21:6, 1Ch 27:23, 1Ch 27:24

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Barnes: 2Sa 24:9 - -- 1Ch 27:23 indicates sufficiently why the numbering was sinful. It is also stated in 1Ch 21:6, that Joab purposely omitted Levi and Benjamin from the...

1Ch 27:23 indicates sufficiently why the numbering was sinful. It is also stated in 1Ch 21:6, that Joab purposely omitted Levi and Benjamin from the reckoning.

Eight hundred thousand ... five hundred thousand - In Chronicles the numbers are differently given. It is probable therefore that the Chronicler has included in his statement of the sum total some numbers which are not included here.

Poole: 2Sa 24:9 - -- Eight hundred thousand Object . In 1Ch 21:5 , they are numbered 1,100,000. Answ . The sum here expressed is only of such as were not in the ordin...

Eight hundred thousand

Object . In 1Ch 21:5 , they are numbered 1,100,000.

Answ . The sum here expressed is only of such as were not in the ordinary and settled militia waiting upon the king, which being 24,000 for every month, as is largely related, 1Ch 27 , amounts to 288,000, which either with their several commanders, or with the soldiers, placed in several garrisons, might very well make up 300,000. Or 288,000 may pass in such accounts for 300,000; it being frequent in such great sums to neglect a smaller number. But in the Book of the Chronicles, which was to gather up the fragments omitted in the former books, both sorts are put together, and so they amount to 1,100,000.

Five hundred thousand In 1Ch 21:5 , but 470,000.

Answ Either,

1. They were exactly no more, but are called 500,000 in a round sum, as is usual in Scripture and other authors. Or,

2. The garrison soldiers, and such as were employed in other services about the king, are here included, which are there excluded. Or,

3. They were 300,000 when Joab gave up the number to the king, though presently after that they were but 470,000; 30,000 being slain by the plague in the tribe of Judah; which being David’ s own tribe, it was but just and fit it should suffer more than the rest for this sin. And though it be true that Joab gave up the sum before the plague begun, yet the sacred penman of the Book of Chronicles thought fit to make a defalcation of them who had been swept away by the plague, that the judgment of God therein might be observed. Or,

4. There are included here the 30,000 which belonged to the thirty colonels mentioned 2Sa 23 , who are excluded 1Ch 21 , although it be questionable whether those were all of the tribe of Judah.

Haydock: 2Sa 24:9 - -- Eight....and five. Theodotion says nine and four, which comes to the same sum. (Haydock) --- But 1 Paralipomenon xxi. 5, reads, eleven hundred th...

Eight....and five. Theodotion says nine and four, which comes to the same sum. (Haydock) ---

But 1 Paralipomenon xxi. 5, reads, eleven hundred thousand, and four hundred and seventy thousand fighting men: though even there the Arabic version has the number here specified, which is less incredible. The fighting men are not above a fifth part of the population; and we may allow that David might have about seven million subjects. It seems, therefore, best to abandon the latter number as incorrect, since all commentators confess that similar mistakes have been made by the transcribers; and to maintain the contrary, would be indirectly to throw the blame upon the sacred writers. (Calmet) ---

Yet some account for the variation, by saying, that Joab gave not in the full number here, (Menochius; Abulensis; &c.) which seems contrary to the text, there were found, &c. (Haydock) ---

Cornelius a Lapide supposes, that the excess of number was occasioned by the subsequent list of the Levites, &c. But could they amount to so many? (Calmet) ---

And what proof is there that they were numbered, after the anger of God had manifested itself so severely? (Haydock) ---

Others affirm, that Joab did not take an account of the 288,000 chosen out of the twelve tribes, that 24,000 of them might guard the palace by turns, in each of the twelve months, 1 Paralipomenon xxvii. 1. (Bochart, Anim. p. 1. B. ii. 37.; Grotius; &c.) ---

But thus there will be 18,000 more than even in Paralipomenon, where we find in all 1,570,000, though the tribe of Juda have fewer, by 30,000, than in this book. To account for this, some say, (Haydock) the proselytes are here taken in, or the inhabitants of all the territory, which was at first assigned to Juda, Josue xix. 29. (Menochius) ---

All this is conjecture, (Haydock) and must remain among the systems of history. (Calmet) ---

If Joab chose to diminish the numbers of Israel, why has he increased those of Juda? Did he wish to flatter the king's vanity, or partiality for his own tribe? It is difficult to say what interest Joab could have in withholding the truth; and for the sacred historian to countenance his delusion, would expose us to the same danger of mistake, and overthrow the authority of Scripture, therefore, most rational to suppose that we have here the true list of the warriors, and that the book of Paralipomenon has been injured by the negligence of transcribers, as it has on many other occasions. (Haydock)

Gill: 2Sa 24:9 - -- And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king,.... Having collected from the several captains employed in this work their several...

And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king,.... Having collected from the several captains employed in this work their several particular numbers, he put them together, and gave in the sum total to David:

and there were in Israel eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sword; though many of them might be under the age of twenty, yet being robust and tall, and fit to bear arms, though but sixteen, seventeen, eighteen, or nineteen years of age, were mustered, contrary to the law; which, according to Cornelius Bertram z was David's sin, see 1Ch 27:23. In 1Ch 21:5, they are said to be a million and an hundred thousand, which is three hundred thousand more than the sum here given; several methods are taken to reconcile this; but what seems to be the best solution of the difficulty is what is observed by a Jew a, that here the number of the people in the several parts of the land of Israel was given, which were eight hundred thousand, there along with them, the numbers of the standing army which waited on the king in their courses, which were twenty four thousand every, month, and amounted in the twelve months to 288,000, and reckoning lo thousand officers to them, they make the sum of three hundred thousand wanted, see 1Ch 27:1, &c.

and the men of Judah were five hundred thousand men. In 1Ch 21:5, they are said to be only 470,000, thirty thousand less than here; which may be accounted for by making use of a round number, though something wanting, as is often done; or else the thirty companies, consisting of a thousand each, under the eighty captains mentioned in 2Sa 23:8, are taken into the account here, but left out in the book of Chronicles; or there were so many in the sum total of the men of Judah before the plague, but thirty thousand being consumed thereby, are left out in the latter accounts, so Kimchi; but the other solutions seem best: Levi and Benjamin were not counted; it being abominable to Joab, he did not finish it, and especially being displeasing to God, who smote Israel for it, 1Ch 21:6.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: 2Sa 24:9 Heb “and Joab gave the number of the numbering of the people.”

Geneva Bible: 2Sa 24:9 And Joab gave up the sum of the number of the people unto the king: and there were in Israel ( d ) eight hundred thousand valiant men that drew the sw...

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TSK Synopsis: 2Sa 24:1-25 - --1 David, tempted by Satan, forces Joab to number the people.5 The captains, in nine months and twenty days, bring the muster of thirteen hundred thous...

MHCC: 2Sa 24:1-9 - --For the people's sin David was left to act wrong, and in his chastisement they received punishment. This example throws light upon God's government of...

Matthew Henry: 2Sa 24:1-9 - -- Here we have, I. The orders which David gave to Joab to number the people of Israel and Judah, 2Sa 24:1, 2Sa 24:2. Two things here seem strange: - 1...

Keil-Delitzsch: 2Sa 24:1-9 - -- "Again the anger of Jehovah was kindled against Israel; and He moved David against them, saying, Go, number Israel and Judah." לחרות ... וï¬...

Constable: 2Sa 21:1--24:25 - --VII. SUMMARY ILLUSTRATIONS chs. 21--24 The last major section of the Book of Samuel (2 Sam. 21-24) consists of s...

Constable: 2Sa 24:1-25 - --F. Pestilence from David's Sin ch. 24 This last section of the book records another occasion on which Go...

Constable: 2Sa 24:1-9 - --1. David's sin of numbering the people 24:1-9 David probably ordered this census about 975 B.C. ...

Guzik: 2Sa 24:1-25 - --2 Samuel 24 - David and the Census David commands a census to be taken. 1. (1-2) David is moved to take a census. Again the anger of the LORD was...

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Commentary -- Other

Contradiction: 2Sa 24:9 2. 2 Samuel 24:9 gives the total population for Israel as 800,000, whereas 1 Chronicles 21:5 says it was 1,100,000. (Category: misunderstood the hi...

Critics Ask: 2Sa 24:9 2 SAMUEL 24:9 —Why do the numbers of men recorded in 2 Samuel 24:9 and in 1 Chronicles 21:5-6 disagree? PROBLEM: When David was moved to number...

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) THE FIRST AND SECOND BOOKS OF SAMUEL. The two were, by the ancient Jews, conjoined so as to make one book, and in that form could be called the Book o...

JFB: 2 Samuel (Outline) AN AMALEKITE BRINGS TIDINGS OF SAUL'S DEATH. (2Sa. 1:1-16) DAVID LAMENTS SAUL AND JONATHAN. (2Sa 1:17-27) DAVID, BY GOD'S DIRECTION, GOES UP TO HEBRO...

TSK: 2 Samuel 24 (Chapter Introduction) Overview 2Sa 24:1, David, tempted by Satan, forces Joab to number the people; 2Sa 24:5, The captains, in nine months and twenty days, bring the mu...

Poole: 2 Samuel 24 (Chapter Introduction) SAMUEL CHAPTER 24 David, tempted by Satan, forceth Joab to number the people; who are thirteen hundred thousand fighting men, 2Sa 24:1-9 . David ac...

MHCC: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) This book is the history of the reign of king David. It relates his victories, the growth of the prosperity of Israel, and his reformation of the stat...

MHCC: 2 Samuel 24 (Chapter Introduction) (2Sa 24:1-9) David numbers the people. (2Sa 24:10-15) He chooses the pestilence. (2Sa 24:16, 2Sa 24:17) The staying the pestilence. (2Sa 24:18-25) ...

Matthew Henry: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Second Book of Samuel This book is the history of the reign of king David. We had in the foregoing ...

Matthew Henry: 2 Samuel 24 (Chapter Introduction) The last words of David, which we read in the chapter before, were admirably good, but in this chapter we read of some of his last works, which wer...

Constable: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) Introduction Second Samuel continues the history begun in 1 Samuel. Please see my comments regarding 2 Samuel's title, d...

Constable: 2 Samuel (Outline) Outline (Continued from notes on 1 Samuel) V. David's triumphs chs. 1-8 ...

Constable: 2 Samuel 2 Samuel Bibliography Achtemeier, Paul J., and Elizabeth Achtemeier. The Old Testament Roots of Our Faith. Phil...

Haydock: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) THE SECOND BOOK OF SAMUEL; otherwise called, THE SECOND BOOK OF KINGS. INTRODUCTION. This Book contains the transactions of David till the end ...

Gill: 2 Samuel (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO 2 SAMUEL This book, in many copies of the Hebrew Bible, is carried on without any new title put unto it; the reason of it is, becau...

Gill: 2 Samuel 24 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO SECOND SAMUEL 24 In this chapter an account is given of David's numbering of the people, 2Sa 24:1; of the sense he had of his sin, ...

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