
Text -- Ecclesiastes 10:17 (NET)




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Wesley -> Ecc 10:17
Not so much by birth, as by their noble dispositions.
JFB: Ecc 10:17 - -- Not merely in blood, but in virtue, the true nobility (Son 7:1; Isa 32:5, Isa 32:8).

To refresh the body, not for revelry (included in "drunkenness").
Clarke: Ecc 10:17 - -- When thy king is the son of nobles - uiov eleuyerwn, the son of freemen; persons well acquainted with the principles of civil liberty, and who rule ...
When thy king is the son of nobles - uiov eleuyerwn, the son of freemen; persons well acquainted with the principles of civil liberty, and who rule according to them - Septuagint. Such a one as comes to the throne in a legitimate way, from an ancient regal family, whose right to the throne is incontestable. It requires such a long time to establish a regal right, that the state is in continual danger from pretenders and usurpers, where the king is not the son of nobles

Clarke: Ecc 10:17 - -- And thy princes eat in due season - All persons in places of trust for the public weal, from the king to the lowest public functionary, should know,...
And thy princes eat in due season - All persons in places of trust for the public weal, from the king to the lowest public functionary, should know, that the public are exceedingly scandalized at repeated accounts of entertainments, where irregularity prevails, much money is expended, and no good done. These things are drawn into precedent, and quoted to countenance debauch in the inferior classes. The natural division of the day for necessary repasts is, Breakfast, eight, or half after; Dinner, one, or half after; Supper, eight, or half after. And these, or even earliers hours were formerly observed in these countries. Then we had scarcely any such thing as gout, and no nervous disorders
In ancient nations the custom was to eat but once, and then about mid-day.
TSK -> Ecc 10:17

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Barnes -> Ecc 10:16-20
Barnes: Ecc 10:16-20 - -- Foolish rulers, by their weakness, self-indulgence and sloth, bring decay upon the state: nobleness and temperance insure prosperity: yet the subjec...
Foolish rulers, by their weakness, self-indulgence and sloth, bring decay upon the state: nobleness and temperance insure prosperity: yet the subject must not rebel in word or thought against his king.
A child - Rather, young. The word is applied to Rehoboam 2Ch 13:7 at the time of his accession to the throne, when he was 41 years old.
Eat in the morning - A sign of intemperance (compare Isa 5:11).
Son of nobles - i. e., of a noble disposition.
The "building"or "house"represents the state. Compare Isa 3:6; Amo 9:10.
Droppeth through - i. e., Lets the rain through the roof.
literally, For merriment they make a feast (bread), and wine gladdens the living, and money supplies all things.
Curse - Compare Ecc 7:21-22.
Poole -> Ecc 10:17
Poole: Ecc 10:17 - -- The son of nobles not so much by birth, as even the worst of kings commonly are, and have been, as by their noble and worthy dispositions, and endowm...
The son of nobles not so much by birth, as even the worst of kings commonly are, and have been, as by their noble and worthy dispositions, and endowments, and carriages; for such a one is opposed to the child in the former verse. Sons of nobles are put for noble persons, as the sons of men for men , and the sons of physicians for physicians .
Eat in due season so as may further, and not hinder, their main business.
For strength to refresh and strengthen their natures, that they may be fit for action and business.
Not for drunkenness not only nor chiefly to please their palates, and indulge themselves in sensuality.
Haydock -> Ecc 10:17
Haydock: Ecc 10:17 - -- Noble. Royal extraction, ( Greek: Esthlon genesthai. Euripides, Hec.) and education, afford many advantages which others, who raise themselves to ...
Noble. Royal extraction, ( Greek: Esthlon genesthai. Euripides, Hec.) and education, afford many advantages which others, who raise themselves to the throne, do not enjoy. Hebrew, "the son of those in white," (Calmet) or "of heroes." (Montanus) ---
Eurim, (Haydock) or Chorim seems to have give rise to the word Hero. The advantages of birth only make the defects of degenerate children more observable. (Calmet) ---
Heroum filii noxæ. "The sons of heroes are a nuisance," (Haydock) was an ancient proverb. ---
Season. The time was not fixed; but it was deemed a mark of intemperance to eat before noon, when judges ought to have decided causes, Daniel xiii. 7., and Acts ii. 15.
Gill -> Ecc 10:17
Gill: Ecc 10:17 - -- Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles,.... Or "heroes" z, called "Hhorim" in the Hebrew, which signifies "white"; either from ...
Blessed art thou, O land, when thy king is the son of nobles,.... Or "heroes" z, called "Hhorim" in the Hebrew, which signifies "white"; either from the white garment they wore, or rather from the purity and ingenuity of their minds and manners; being illustrious persons, not only by birth and education, but in their lives and actions. Now a land is happy when it is governed by a king that is not only descended from a race of heroes and illustrious men, and has a princely and liberal education; but that imitates his ancestors, and treads in their steps, and is famous himself for wisdom, virtue, and real piety, in which true nobility consists; and so the Vulgate Latin version renders it, "whose king is noble"; who is of an ingenuous mind, has princely virtues and qualifications; who is wise and prudent, skilful in the affairs of government, and assiduous and industrious therein; for as, on the one hand, kings may, as they commonly do, descend from illustrious progenitors, and yet be base and wicked, ignoble and infamous, in their administration; and, on the other hand, persons may be raised from a low estate to royal dignity, as David and others, and yet behave with great prudence and ingenuity. The Targum applies this to the land of Israel also, and instances in Hezekiah, a man mighty in the law;
and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness; that is, eat their meals at proper times, and that after they have been at business; to refresh nature, and recruit their strength, that they may be fit for further service; and do not indulge themselves, and spend their time, in rioting and drunkenness; which would render them very unfit for public business, to sit in council, or in any court of judicature: according to the Targum, the time was four o'clock, that is, ten o'clock in the morning. Or, "not unto drinking" or "drunkenness" a; they do not eat so as to cause an appetite, or eager desire for drinking to excess: or, not "with drinking" b; their eating is not attended with excessive drinking; they eat and drink moderately. The Egyptians had a law, which fixed such a measure of wine to be allowed their kings daily, and no more c; and it was Solon's law, given to the Athenians, that if a prince was found drunk, death was his punishment d; and, with the Indians, if a woman killed a drunken king, her reward was to marry his successor e: all which show how odious drunkenness was with the Heathens, and especially in their kings and princes; see Pro 31:4. So Plato observes f, that
"drunkenness ought to be abstained from; and rather it should be allowed to any than to a keeper, (that is, of a city and its laws, a Civil magistrate), for it would be ridiculous for a keeper to need a keeper.''
Jerom, as before observed, interprets this figuratively, "blessed is the land", of the church; whose "King" is Christ, the son of nobles, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob; and whose "princes" are the apostles, who seek not pleasure in this world, but shall eat in the world to come.

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NET Notes: Ecc 10:17 Heb “for strength and not for drunkenness”; or “as heroes and not as drunkards”; or “for nourishment and not for drunken...
Geneva Bible -> Ecc 10:17
Geneva Bible: Ecc 10:17 Blessed [art] thou, O land, when thy king [is] the son ( k ) of nobles, and thy princes eat in due season, for strength, and not for drunkenness!
( k...

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TSK Synopsis -> Ecc 10:1-20
TSK Synopsis: Ecc 10:1-20 - --1 Observations of wisdom and folly;16 of riot;18 slothfulness;19 and money.20 Men's thoughts of kings ought to be reverent.
MHCC -> Ecc 10:16-20
MHCC: Ecc 10:16-20 - --The happiness of a land depends on the character of its rulers. The people cannot be happy when their princes are childish, and lovers of pleasure. Sl...
Matthew Henry -> Ecc 10:16-20
Matthew Henry: Ecc 10:16-20 - -- Solomon here observes, I. How much the happiness of a land depends upon the character of its rulers; it is well or ill with the people according as ...
Keil-Delitzsch -> Ecc 10:16-17
Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 10:16-17 - --
"Woe to thee, O land, whose king is a child, and whose princes sit at table in the early morning! Happy art thou, O land, whose king is a noble, and...
Constable: Ecc 6:10--11:7 - --III. THE LIMITATIONS OF WISDOM 6:10--11:6
Clues in the text indicate the value and purpose of 6:10-11:6. The phr...

Constable: Ecc 9:1--11:7 - --C. Man's Ignorance of the Future 9:1-11:6
The emphasis in this section (9:1-11:6) is on what man does no...
