
Text -- Ecclesiastes 4:15 (NET)




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Wesley: Ecc 4:15 - -- The general disposition of common people, in all kingdoms, that they are fickle and inconstant.
The general disposition of common people, in all kingdoms, that they are fickle and inconstant.

Wesley: Ecc 4:15 - -- This may be understood of the king's child, or son and heir, called second, in respect of his father, whose successor he is.
This may be understood of the king's child, or son and heir, called second, in respect of his father, whose successor he is.
JFB: Ecc 4:15 - -- "I considered all the living," the present generation, in relation to ("with") the "second youth" (the "legitimate successor" of the "old king," as op...
"I considered all the living," the present generation, in relation to ("with") the "second youth" (the "legitimate successor" of the "old king," as opposed to the "poor youth," the one first spoken of, about to be raised from poverty to a throne), that is, Rehoboam.
Clarke -> Ecc 4:15
Clarke: Ecc 4:15 - -- With the second child that shall stand up - The Targum applies this to the case of Jeroboam and Rehoboam. History affords many instances of mean per...
With the second child that shall stand up - The Targum applies this to the case of Jeroboam and Rehoboam. History affords many instances of mean persons raised to sovereign authority, and of kings being reduced to the meanest offices, and to a morsel of bread. Agrippa himself ascended the throne of Israel after having been long in prison. See Josephus, Ant. lib. 18: c. 8. This the heathens attributed to fortune
Si fortuna volet, fies de rhetore consul
Si volet haec eadem, fies de consule rhetor
Juv. Sat. vii., ver. 197
Though I have given what the Jews suppose to be the allusion in these verses, yet the reader may doubt whether the reference be correct. There is a case implied, whether from fact or assumption I cannot say; but it seems to be this
A king who had abused the authority vested in him by oppressing the people, had a son whose prudent conduct promised much comfort to the nation, when he should come to the throne. The father, seeing the popular wish, and becoming jealous of his son, shut him up in prison. In the interim the old king either dies or is deposed, and the son is brought out of prison, and placed on the throne. Then (Ecc 4:15, Ecc 4:16) multitudes of the people flock to him, and begin to walk under the sun; i.e., the prosperous state to which the nation is raised by its redemption from the former tyranny. However, the wise man insinuates that this sunshine will not last long. The young king, feeling the reins in his own hands, and being surrounded by those whose interest it was to flatter in order to obtain and continue in court favor, he also becomes corrupted so that those who come after shall have no cause of rejoicing in him. This appears to be the case; and similar cases have frequently occurred, not only in Asiatic, but also in European history, I have, in another place, referred to the case of Rushn Achter, who was brought out of prison and set upon the throne of Hindoostan. This is expressed in the following elegant Persian couplet, where his fortune is represented as similar to that of the patriarch Joseph: -
"The bright star is now become a moon
Joseph is taken out of prison, and become a king.
Rushn Achter signifies a bright or splendid star.
TSK -> Ecc 4:15

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Barnes -> Ecc 4:13-16
Barnes: Ecc 4:13-16 - -- These verses set forth the vanity of earthly prosperity even on a throne. Opinion as to their application is chiefly divided between considering the...
These verses set forth the vanity of earthly prosperity even on a throne. Opinion as to their application is chiefly divided between considering them a parable or fiction like that of the childless man in Ecc 4:8 : or as setting forth first the vicissitudes of royal life in two proverbial sayings Ecc 4:13-14, and then Ecc 4:15-16, the vicissitudes or procession of the whole human race, one generation giving place to another, Which in its turn will be forgotten by its successor. On the whole, the first appears to have the better claim.
Child - Rather, young man.
Rather: For out of the house of bondage he goes forth to be a king; although he was born poor in his kingdom, i. e., in the country over which he became king.
I considered ... - literally, I saw "all the population of the young man’ s kingdom."
The second child - This second youth is generally understood to be identical with the one mentioned in Ecc 4:13.
There is - Rather: There was.
That have been before them - Rather, before whom he was, i. e., at the head of whom the young king was. Compare Mic 2:13.
They also that ... him - i. e., The next generation shall forget this chosen king.
Poole -> Ecc 4:15
Poole: Ecc 4:15 - -- I considered all the living the general disposition or humour of common people in all kingdoms, that they are fickle and inconstant, weary of their o...
I considered all the living the general disposition or humour of common people in all kingdoms, that they are fickle and inconstant, weary of their old governors, and desirous of changes.
Which walk under the sun: this is a periphrasis, or description of living and mortal men, like that Ecc 7:11 , that see the sun.
With the second child: these words may be joined either,
1. With those which walk , or, that they walk under the sun, (i.e. upon the earth,) with the second child , i.e. follow, and favour, and worship him as the rising sun, upon whom the eyes and hopes of most people are fixed. Or,
2. With the first words,
I considered all the living which walk under the sun i.e. the temper of all subjects or people, together
with the condition of the second child which may be understood either,
1. In general, of a king’ s child , or son and heir, who is called second , in respect of his father, whose successor he is to be. Or,
2. That wise and poor child mentioned Ecc 4:13 , who is said to come to reign , Ecc 4:14 , and may well be called the second to the old and foolish king who became poor , Ecc 4:15 , being deposed from his kingdom, whom he succeeds, being put in his place either by the humour of the people, or by some higher power.
Stand up i.e. arise to reign, as that phrase signifies, Dan 8:22,23 11:2,3,7,20,21 .
Haydock -> Ecc 4:15
Haydock: Ecc 4:15 - -- Second heir. (Menochius) ---
"They adore the rising (Papinius) more than the setting sun;["] (Plut.[Plutarch?] Pomp.) and a person is no sooner on ...
Second heir. (Menochius) ---
"They adore the rising (Papinius) more than the setting sun;["] (Plut.[Plutarch?] Pomp.) and a person is no sooner on the throne than his successor begins to be courted: (ver. 16.) so inconstant are mortals! (Calmet)
Gill -> Ecc 4:15
Gill: Ecc 4:15 - -- I considered all the living which walk under the sun,.... All men that were then alive, who were capable of walking upon the earth; even all of them t...
I considered all the living which walk under the sun,.... All men that were then alive, who were capable of walking upon the earth; even all of them that were under the heavens, in every land and nation, under whatsoever dominion or government: these, and their manners, Solomon had particularly observed, and made his remarks upon, by which it appeared how fickle the minds of the populace were under every government, and how precarious and uncertain were the honour and dignity of princes;
with the second child that shall stand up in his stead: the heir and successor or every prince, that shall rise up and take the throne of his father or predecessor, and reign in his stead. The wise man observed how the people commonly behaved towards him; how that they generally stood best affected to him, than to the reigning prince; worshipped the rising sun, courted his favour and friendship, soothed and flattered him; expressing their wishes to see him on the throne, and treated with neglect and contempt their lawful sovereign. Some, contrary to the accents, connect this with the word "walk" h; that walk with the second child, join themselves to him, converse with him, and show him great respect and honour: and there are others that, by this second child, understand the poor and wise child, that succeeds the old and foolish king, whom yet, in time, the people grow weary of; such is the levity and inconstancy of people, that they are not long pleased with princes, old or young, wise or foolish. The Targum interprets this of the foresight Solomon had, by a spirit of prophecy, of those that rebelled against his son Rehoboam, and of those that cleaved unto him, who was his second, and reigned in his stead. Noldius i thinks Solomon refers to the history of his friend Hiram, king of Tyre, whose kingdom, in his and in his son's time, was very large, flourishing, and opulent, but in a following reign not so; and he renders and paraphrases the words thus,
""I saw all the works under the sun; with Baleazarus, the son of a friend" (Hiram, for
the kingdom in those two reigns being flourishing; yet posterity shall not rejoice in him, in Abdastratus, the grandson of Hiram, destroyed by the four sons of his nurse k.

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NET Notes: Ecc 4:15 The verb עָמַד (’amad, “to stand”) may denote “to arise; to appear; to come on the scene” ...
Geneva Bible -> Ecc 4:15
Geneva Bible: Ecc 4:15 I considered all the living who walk under the sun, ( k ) with the second child that shall stand up in his stead.
( k ) Who follow and flatter the ki...

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TSK Synopsis -> Ecc 4:1-16
TSK Synopsis: Ecc 4:1-16 - --1 Vanity is increased unto men by oppression;4 by envy;5 by idleness;7 by covetousness;9 by solitariness;13 by wilfulness.
MHCC -> Ecc 4:13-16
MHCC: Ecc 4:13-16 - --People are never long easy and satisfied; they are fond of changes. This is no new thing. Princes see themselves slighted by those they have studied t...
Matthew Henry -> Ecc 4:13-16
Matthew Henry: Ecc 4:13-16 - -- Solomon was himself a king, and therefore may be allowed to speak more freely than another concerning the vanity of kingly state and dignity, which ...
Keil-Delitzsch -> Ecc 4:15-16
Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 4:15-16 - --
"I saw all the living which walk under the sun on the side of the youth, the second who shall enter upon the place of the former: no end of all the ...
Constable: Ecc 2:18--6:10 - --B. General Observations 2:18-6:9
Thus far Solomon had reflected on the futility of all human endeavor ge...

Constable: Ecc 4:4-16 - --3. The motivations of labor 4:4-16
The phrase "vanity and striving after wind" (vv. 4, 16) brack...
