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Text -- Ecclesiastes 8:16-17 (NET)
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Wesley: Ecc 8:16 - -- To observe mens various designs and employments, and their unwearied labours about worldly things.
To observe mens various designs and employments, and their unwearied labours about worldly things.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:16 - -- Having now mentioned the business which is done, or which man doth, upon earth, he further adds, as an evidence of man's eagerness in pursuing his bus...
Having now mentioned the business which is done, or which man doth, upon earth, he further adds, as an evidence of man's eagerness in pursuing his business, for even by day and by night he (the busy man) seeth not sleep with his eyes. He grudges himself necessary refreshments, and disquiets himself with endless cares and labours.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:17 - -- I considered the counsels and ways of God, and the various methods of his providence, and the reasons of them.
I considered the counsels and ways of God, and the various methods of his providence, and the reasons of them.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:17 - -- No man, though ever so wise, is able fully and perfectly to understand these things. And therefore it is best for man not to perplex himself with endl...
No man, though ever so wise, is able fully and perfectly to understand these things. And therefore it is best for man not to perplex himself with endless enquiries, but quietly to submit to God's will and providence, and to live in the fear of God, and the comfortable enjoyment of his blessing.
JFB -> Ecc 8:16
JFB: Ecc 8:16 - -- Reply to Ecc 8:14-15. When I applied myself to observe man's toils after happiness (some of them so incessant as not to allow sufficient time for "sle...
Reply to Ecc 8:14-15. When I applied myself to observe man's toils after happiness (some of them so incessant as not to allow sufficient time for "sleep"), then (Ecc 8:17, the apodosis) I saw that man cannot find out (the reason of) God's inscrutable dealings with the "just" and with the "wicked" here (Ecc 8:14; Ecc 3:11; Job 5:9; Rom 11:33); his duty is to acquiesce in them as good, because they are God's, though he sees not all the reasons for them (Psa 73:16). It is enough to know "the righteous are in God's hand" (Ecc 9:1). "Over wise" (Ecc 7:16); that is, Speculations above what is written are vain.
Clarke: Ecc 8:16 - -- When I applied mine heart to know wisdom - This is the reply of the wise man: "I have also considered these seeming contradictions. God governs the ...
When I applied mine heart to know wisdom - This is the reply of the wise man: "I have also considered these seeming contradictions. God governs the world; but we cannot see the reasons of his conduct, nor know why he does this, omits that, or permits a third thing. We may study night and day, and deprive ourselves of rest and sleep, but we shall never fathom the depths that are in the Divine government; but all is right and just. This is the state of probation; and in it neither can the wicked be punished, nor the righteous rewarded. But eternity is at hand; and then shall every man receive according to his works. He that spends his life in the eat, drink, and play, will find in that day that he has lost the time in which he could have prepared for eternity.
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Clarke: Ecc 8:17 - -- Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun - I saw it to be of such a nature -
1. ...
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun - I saw it to be of such a nature -
1. That a man cannot find it out
2. That if he labor to find it out, he shall not succeed
3. That though he be wise - the most instructed among men, and think to find it out, he shall find he is not able. It is beyond the wisdom and power of man. How vain then are all your cavils about Providence. You do not understand it; you cannot comprehend it. Fear God!
TSK: Ecc 8:16 - -- When I : Solomon here records the result of his perplexing inquiries into the affairs of men, and the purposes, providence, and works of God. And whe...
When I : Solomon here records the result of his perplexing inquiries into the affairs of men, and the purposes, providence, and works of God. And when he examined with great attention and diligence into the works of God, he found he could neither comprehend nor explain them; and was persuaded, that no application or capacity would enable a man to fathom the depth of the Divine dispensations in this lower world. How vain, then, are all cavils against Divine providence; when we can neither understand, nor comprehend it! Ecc 8:9, Ecc 8:7 Ecc 7:25
there is that : Ecc 2:23, Ecc 4:8, Ecc 5:12; Gen 31:40; Psa 127:2
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TSK: Ecc 8:17 - -- that a man : Ecc 3:11, Ecc 7:23, Ecc 7:24, Ecc 11:5; Job 5:9, Job 11:7-9; Psa 40:5, Psa 73:16, Psa 104:24; Pro 30:3, Pro 30:4; Isa 40:28; Rom 11:33
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Barnes -> Ecc 8:16-17
Barnes: Ecc 8:16-17 - -- These verses supplement Ecc 8:15 with the reflection that the man who goes beyond that limited sphere within which he can labor and be contented, an...
These verses supplement Ecc 8:15 with the reflection that the man who goes beyond that limited sphere within which he can labor and be contented, and investigates the whole work of God, will find that his finite intelligence cannot grasp it.
Business - Or, "travail"Ecc 1:13; Ecc 3:10. The sleeplessness noted probably refers to the writer himself.
Poole: Ecc 8:16 - -- I applied mine heart to know wisdom: this he seems to add as the reason of that judgment which he had now passed, Ecc 8:15 , because he had diligentl...
I applied mine heart to know wisdom: this he seems to add as the reason of that judgment which he had now passed, Ecc 8:15 , because he had diligently studied wherein man’ s wisdom did consist, and had observed the restlessness of men’ s minds and bodies in other courses.
To see the business either,
1. To find out the work of God, as the next verse may seem to explain it, and all the mysteries of God’ s providence in the government of this present and lower world. Or,
2. To observe men’ s various designs and employments, and their toilsome and unwearied businesses or labours about worldly things; which sense seems best to agree, both with the use of this Hebrew word, which is constantly used in this sense in all the places of Scripture where it is, which are Ecc 1:13 2:23,26 3:10 4:8 5:3,14 8:16 , and never concerning the works of God; and with the foregoing and following words, as we shall see. There is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes : the sense of the words thus translated and pointed seems to be this, There is a certain man, whom it is needless to name, (which is a modest designation of himself, like that of St. Paul, 2Co 12:2 , I knew a man in Christ , &c.,) who studied those matters day and night, and therefore is very capable of passing a judgment about them. But, with submission, there seems to be no need of a parenthesis to cut off these words from the former, with whom they have a fit connexion. For having now mentioned the business which is done , or which man doeth, upon earth, he further adds, as an evidence of man’ s eagerness in pursuing his business, for even by day and by night he (to wit, the busy man, which is easily understood from the foregoing clause) seeth not sleep with his eyes , i.e. he grudgeth himself even necessary refreshments, and disquiets himself with endless cares and labours, the fruit whereof he doth but little enjoy; and therefore it is better to eat and drink , &c., as I now said, Ecc 8:15 . As for the phrase of seeing sleep , it is a figurative expression used in other authors, and is like that of seeing death, Psa 89:48 .
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Poole: Ecc 8:17 - -- Then Heb. and , or moreover , I beheld all the work of God; I considered the counsels and ways of God, and the various methods of his providence to...
Then Heb. and , or moreover , I beheld all the work of God; I considered the counsels and ways of God, and the various methods of his providence towards good and bad men, and the reasons of them.
A man cannot find out no man, though never so wise, and inquisitive, and studious, as it follows, is able fully and perfectly to understand these things; and therefore it is best for man not to perplex himself with endless and fruitless inquiries about these matters, but quietly to submit to God’ s will and providence, and to live in the fear of God, and the comfortable enjoyment of his blessings.
Distraction of politicians, (Grotius) and of all human affairs.
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Haydock: Ecc 8:17 - -- Reason. We know in general that God does all for his own glory, and for the welfare of his elect. But we cannot account for his treatment of mankin...
Reason. We know in general that God does all for his own glory, and for the welfare of his elect. But we cannot account for his treatment of mankind in particular cases, Romans xi. 33. (St. Jerome) (Calmet) ---
Say. Septuagint, "speak what thing soever, that he may know he," &c. (Haydock)
Gill: Ecc 8:16 - -- When I applied mine heart to know wisdom,.... The nature and causes of things; the wisdom of God in his providence, and the grounds and reasons of his...
When I applied mine heart to know wisdom,.... The nature and causes of things; the wisdom of God in his providence, and the grounds and reasons of his various dispensations towards the children of men: the Targum interprets it, the wisdom of the law;
and to see the business that is done upon the earth; either the business of Providence, in dealing so unequally with the righteous and the wicked, before observed; and which is a business very afflictive and distressing for curious persons to look into, not being able to account for it: or the labour and toil of men to get wealth and riches, and to find happiness in them;
(for also there is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes); or has any sleep in his eyes, through his eager pursuit after worldly things, or, however, has but little; he rises early and sits up late at his business, so close and diligent is he at it, so industrious to obtain riches, imagining a happiness in them there is not: or else this describes persons curious and inquisitive into the affairs of Providence, and the reasons of them; who give themselves no rest, day nor night, being so intent upon their studies of this kind; and perhaps the wise man may design himself.
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Gill: Ecc 8:17 - -- Then I beheld all the work of God,.... Not of creation, but of Providence; took notice of it, contemplated on it, considered it, and weighed it well; ...
Then I beheld all the work of God,.... Not of creation, but of Providence; took notice of it, contemplated on it, considered it, and weighed it well; viewed the various steps and methods of it, to find out, if possible, at least, some general rule by which it proceeded: but all so various and uncertain,
that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: he can find out that it is done, but not the reason why it is done: the ways of God are in the deep, and not to be traced; they are unsearchable and past finding out; there is a
because, though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; Noldius and others render it "although"; not only a man that, in a slight and negligent manner, seeks after the knowledge of the works of divine Providence, and the reasons of them; but even one that is diligent and laborious at it is not able to find them out; they being purposely concealed by the Lord, to answer some ends of his;
yea, further, though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it; a man of a great natural capacity, such an one as Solomon himself, though he proposes to himself, and determines within himself to find it out, and sets himself to the work, and uses all the means and methods he can devise, and imagines with himself he shall be able to find out the reasons of the divine procedure, in his dispensations towards the righteous and the wicked; and yet, after all, he is not able to do it. The Targum is,
"what shall be done in the end of days;''
wherefore it is best for a man to be easy and quiet, and enjoy what he has in the best manner he can, and submit to the will of God.
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TSK Synopsis -> Ecc 8:1-17
TSK Synopsis: Ecc 8:1-17 - --1 True wisdom is modest.2 Kings are to be respected.6 Divine providence is to be observed.12 It is better with the godly in adversity, than with the w...
MHCC -> Ecc 8:14-17
MHCC: Ecc 8:14-17 - --Faith alone can establish the heart in this mixed scene, where the righteous often suffer, and the wicked prosper. Solomon commended joy, and holy sec...
Matthew Henry -> Ecc 8:14-17
Matthew Henry: Ecc 8:14-17 - -- Wise and good men have, of old, been perplexed with this difficulty, how the prosperity of the wicked and the troubles of the righteous can be recon...
Keil-Delitzsch -> Ecc 8:16-17
Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 8:16-17 - --
"When I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to view the business which is done on the earth (for neither day nor night doth he see sleep with his eyes...
Constable: Ecc 6:10--11:7 - --III. THE LIMITATIONS OF WISDOM 6:10--11:6
Clues in the text indicate the value and purpose of 6:10-11:6. The phr...
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Constable: Ecc 7:1--8:17 - --B. God's Inscrutable Plan chs. 7-8
Solomon proceeded in this section to focus on the plan of God, His de...
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Constable: Ecc 8:1-17 - --3. The value and limitations of wisdom ch. 8
This chapter begins by lauding wisdom (v. 1), and i...
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