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Text -- Ecclesiastes 9:4-6 (NET)

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Better to Be Poor but Alive than Rich but Dead
9:4 But whoever is among the living has hope; a live dog is better than a dead lion. 9:5 For the living know that they will die, but the dead do not know anything; they have no further reward– and even the memory of them disappears. 9:6 What they loved, as well as what they hated and envied, perished long ago, and they no longer have a part in anything that happens on earth.
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Wesley: Ecc 9:4 - -- That continues with living men.

That continues with living men.

Wesley: Ecc 9:4 - -- He hath not only some comfort for the present, but also hopes of further happiness in this world.

He hath not only some comfort for the present, but also hopes of further happiness in this world.

Wesley: Ecc 9:4 - -- Much happier as to the comforts of this world.

Much happier as to the comforts of this world.

Wesley: Ecc 9:5 - -- Whereby they are taught to improve life.

Whereby they are taught to improve life.

Wesley: Ecc 9:5 - -- Of the actions and events of this world.

Of the actions and events of this world.

Wesley: Ecc 9:5 - -- The fruit of their labours in this world, are utterly lost as to them.

The fruit of their labours in this world, are utterly lost as to them.

Wesley: Ecc 9:5 - -- Even in those places where they had lived in great power and glory.

Even in those places where they had lived in great power and glory.

Wesley: Ecc 9:6 - -- They neither love, nor hate, nor envy any thing in this world, but are unconcerned in what is done under the sun.

They neither love, nor hate, nor envy any thing in this world, but are unconcerned in what is done under the sun.

JFB: Ecc 9:4 - -- Rather, "Nevertheless." English Version rightly reads as the Margin, Hebrew, "that is joined," instead of the text, "who is to be chosen?"

Rather, "Nevertheless." English Version rightly reads as the Margin, Hebrew, "that is joined," instead of the text, "who is to be chosen?"

JFB: Ecc 9:4 - -- Not of mere temporal good (Job 14:7); but of yet repenting and being saved.

Not of mere temporal good (Job 14:7); but of yet repenting and being saved.

JFB: Ecc 9:4 - -- Metaphor for the vilest persons (1Sa 24:14).

Metaphor for the vilest persons (1Sa 24:14).

JFB: Ecc 9:4 - -- The noblest of animals (Pro 30:30).

The noblest of animals (Pro 30:30).

JFB: Ecc 9:4 - -- As to hope of salvation; the noblest who die unconverted have no hope; the vilest, so long as they have life, have hope.

As to hope of salvation; the noblest who die unconverted have no hope; the vilest, so long as they have life, have hope.

JFB: Ecc 9:5 - -- And may thereby be led "so to number their days, that they may apply their hearts to wisdom" (Ecc 7:1-4; Psa 90:12).

And may thereby be led "so to number their days, that they may apply their hearts to wisdom" (Ecc 7:1-4; Psa 90:12).

JFB: Ecc 9:5 - -- That is, so far as their bodily senses and worldly affairs are concerned (Job 14:21; Isa 63:16); also, they know no door of repentance open to them, s...

That is, so far as their bodily senses and worldly affairs are concerned (Job 14:21; Isa 63:16); also, they know no door of repentance open to them, such as is to all on earth.

JFB: Ecc 9:5 - -- No advantage from their worldly labors (Ecc 2:18-22; Ecc 4:9).

No advantage from their worldly labors (Ecc 2:18-22; Ecc 4:9).

JFB: Ecc 9:5 - -- Not of the righteous (Psa 112:6; Mal 3:16), but the wicked, who with all the pains to perpetuate their names (Psa 49:11) are soon "forgotten" (Ecc 8:1...

Not of the righteous (Psa 112:6; Mal 3:16), but the wicked, who with all the pains to perpetuate their names (Psa 49:11) are soon "forgotten" (Ecc 8:10).

JFB: Ecc 9:6 - -- (referring to Ecc 9:1; see on Ecc 9:1). Not that these cease in a future world absolutely (Eze 32:27; Rev 22:11); but as the end of this verse shows, ...

(referring to Ecc 9:1; see on Ecc 9:1). Not that these cease in a future world absolutely (Eze 32:27; Rev 22:11); but as the end of this verse shows, relatively to persons and things in this world. Man's love and hatred can no longer be exercised for good or evil in the same way as here; but the fruits of them remain. What he is at death he remains for ever. "Envy," too, marks the wicked as referred to, since it was therewith that they assailed the righteous (see on Ecc 9:1).

JFB: Ecc 9:6 - -- Their "portion" was "in this life" (Psa 17:14), that they now "cannot have any more."

Their "portion" was "in this life" (Psa 17:14), that they now "cannot have any more."

Clarke: Ecc 9:4 - -- For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope - While a man lives he hopes to amend, and he hopes to have a better lot; and thus life is...

For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope - While a man lives he hopes to amend, and he hopes to have a better lot; and thus life is spent, hoping to grow better, and hoping to get more. The Vulgate has, "There is none that shall live always, nor has any hope of such a thing."Perhaps the best translation is the following: "What, therefore, is to be chosen? In him that is living there is hope."Then choose that eternal life which thou hopest to possess

Clarke: Ecc 9:4 - -- A living dog is better than a dead lion - I suppose this was a proverb. The smallest measure of animal existence is better than the largest of dead ...

A living dog is better than a dead lion - I suppose this was a proverb. The smallest measure of animal existence is better than the largest of dead matter. The poorest living peasant is infinitely above Alexander the Great.

Clarke: Ecc 9:5 - -- The living know that they shall die - This is so self-evident that none can doubt it; and therefore all that have this conviction should prepare for...

The living know that they shall die - This is so self-evident that none can doubt it; and therefore all that have this conviction should prepare for death and eternal blessedness

Clarke: Ecc 9:5 - -- But the dead know not any thing - Cut off from life, they know nothing of what passes under the sun. Their day of probation is ended, and therefore ...

But the dead know not any thing - Cut off from life, they know nothing of what passes under the sun. Their day of probation is ended, and therefore they can have no farther reward in living a holy life; nor can they be liable to any farther punishment for crimes in a state of probation, that being ended.

Clarke: Ecc 9:6 - -- Also their love, and their hatred - It is evident that he speaks here of the ignorance, want of power, etc., of the dead, in reference only to this ...

Also their love, and their hatred - It is evident that he speaks here of the ignorance, want of power, etc., of the dead, in reference only to this life. And though they have no more a portion under the sun, yet he does not intimate that they have none anywhere else. A man threatens to conquer kingdoms, etc. He dies; what are his threats?

Defender: Ecc 9:5 - -- This does not mean that there is no future life or consciousness after death, but only that nothing more can be done to earn heavenly rewards. Even th...

This does not mean that there is no future life or consciousness after death, but only that nothing more can be done to earn heavenly rewards. Even the greatest men are soon forgotten after they die; thus it is important to make one's brief life span as productive for God as possible."

TSK: Ecc 9:4 - -- Job 14:7-12, Job 27:8; Isa 38:18; Lam 3:21, Lam 3:22; Luk 16:26-29

TSK: Ecc 9:5 - -- the living : Ecc 7:2; Job 30:23; Heb 9:27 the dead : Job 14:21; Psa 6:5, Psa 88:10, Psa 88:11; Isa 63:16 for the : Ecc 2:16, Ecc 8:10; Job 7:8-10; Psa...

TSK: Ecc 9:6 - -- their love : Exo 1:8; Job 3:17, Job 3:18; Psa 146:3, Psa 146:4; Pro 10:28; Mat 2:20 have they : Ecc 2:18-23, Ecc 6:12

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Barnes: Ecc 9:4 - -- For to him - Rather: "Yet to him."Notwithstanding evils, life has its advantage, and especially when compared with death. Dog - To the He...

For to him - Rather: "Yet to him."Notwithstanding evils, life has its advantage, and especially when compared with death.

Dog - To the Hebrews a type of all that was contemptible 1Sa 17:43.

Barnes: Ecc 9:5-6 - -- See Ecc 8:12, note; Ecc 8:14, note. The living are conscious that there is a future before them: but the dead are unconscious; they earn nothing, re...

See Ecc 8:12, note; Ecc 8:14, note. The living are conscious that there is a future before them: but the dead are unconscious; they earn nothing, receive nothing, even the memory of them soon disappears; they are no longer excited by the passions which belong to people in this life; their share in its activity has ceased. Solomon here describes what he sees, not what he believes; there is no reference here to the fact or the mode of the existence of the soul in another world, which are matters of faith.

The last clause of Ecc 9:6 indicates that the writer confines his observations on the dead to their portion in, or relation to, this world.

Ecc 9:6

Now - Rather: "long ago."

Poole: Ecc 9:4 - -- That is joined to all the living that continueth in the land and society of living men. Or, according to the reading of the Hebrew text, that is cho...

That is joined to all the living that continueth in the land and society of living men. Or, according to the reading of the Hebrew text,

that is chosen or allotted to life whom God hath appointed yet to live in the world, when he hath appointed that many others shall die; or who are written among the living , as the phrase is, Isa 4:3 , which is borrowed from the custom of cities, where men are first chosen, and then enrolled citizens.

There is hope he hath not only some comfort for the present, but also hopes of further and greater happiness in this world, which men are very prone to entertain and cherish in themselves. Yea, they may have the hopes of a better life, if they improve their opportunities. But he seems to confine himself here to the present life.

Better i.e. much happier, as to the comforts and privileges of this world, though in other respects death be better than life, as was said, Ecc 7:1 .

Poole: Ecc 9:5 - -- The living know that they shall die whereby they are taught to improve life, whilst they have it, to their greatest comfort and advantage. The dead ...

The living know that they shall die whereby they are taught to improve life, whilst they have it, to their greatest comfort and advantage.

The dead know not anything to wit, of the actions and events in this world, as this is limited in the end of the next verse. Compare Job 14:21 Isa 13:16 .

A reward the reward or fruit of their labours in this world, which is utterly lost as to them, and enjoyed by others. See Ecc 2:21 . For otherwise, that there are future rewards after death, is asserted by Solomon elsewhere, as we have seen, and shall hereafter see.

Is forgotten to wit, amongst living men, and even in those places where they had lived in great power and glory; as was noted, Ecc 8:10 .

Poole: Ecc 9:6 - -- They neither love, nor hate, nor envy any person or thing in this world, but are now altogether unconcerned in all things done under the sun. In an...

They neither love, nor hate, nor envy any person or thing in this world, but are now altogether unconcerned in all things done under the sun.

In any thing that is done under the sun in any worldly thing; by which limitation he sufficiently insinuates his belief of their portion in the other world.

Haydock: Ecc 9:4 - -- There. Even those who have had the vanity to claim divine honours, never could persuade themselves that they would escape death. But the just forms...

There. Even those who have had the vanity to claim divine honours, never could persuade themselves that they would escape death. But the just forms a different conclusion from the wicked. He looks upon his life only as a preparation for the other, (Hebrews xi. 13., and Ephesians ii. 19.) while libertines make haste to enjoy the fleeting pleasure, Isaias xxii. 13. To the former death seems desirable, (chap. iv. 2., and vi. 3.) to the latter it is a subject of consternation; and he prefers the vilest creature living, to the most noble when dead. (Calmet) ---

Hebrew, "for whosoever is chosen ( yebuchar. Marginal note yechubar, "is united") to all the living, has hope; for a," &c. (Haydock) ---

Moderns generally follow the marginal reading of the Masorets. (Calmet) ---

"For who shall live for ever?" (Symmachus) "Who partakes with all the living? There is hope." (Septuagint) (Haydock) ---

During life alone the sinner may amend, chap. ii. 3. The Gentiles are preferred before the Jews. (Worthington)

Haydock: Ecc 9:5 - -- Know nothing more, viz., As to the transactions of this world, in which they have now no part, unless it be revealed to them; neither have they any k...

Know nothing more, viz., As to the transactions of this world, in which they have now no part, unless it be revealed to them; neither have they any knowledge or power now of doing any thing to secure their eternal state, (if they have not taken care of it in their lifetime) nor can they now procure themselves any good, as the living always may do, by the grace of God. (Challoner)

Gill: Ecc 9:4 - -- For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope,.... That is, who is among the living, is one of them, and, as long as he is, there is hope,...

For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope,.... That is, who is among the living, is one of them, and, as long as he is, there is hope, if his circumstances are mean, and he is poor and afflicted, that it may be better with him in time; see Job 14:7; or of his being a good man, though now wicked; of his being called and converted, as some are at the eleventh hour, even on a death bed; and especially there is a hope of men, if they are under the means of grace, seeing persons have been made partakers of the grace of God after long waiting. There is here a "Keri" and a "Cetib", a marginal reading and a textual writing; the former reads, "that is joined", the latter, "that is chosen"; our version follows the marginal reading, as do the Targum, Jarchi, Aben Ezra, the Septuagint, Syriac, and Arabic versions: some, following the latter, render the words, "who is to be chosen" y, or preferred, a living, or a dead man? not a dead but a living man: "to all the living there is hope"; of their being better; and, as Jarchi observes, there is hope, while alive, even though he is a wicked man joined to the wicked; yea, there is hope of the wicked, that he may be good before he dies;

for a living dog is better than a dead lion; a proverbial speech, showing that life is to be preferred to death; and that a mean, abject, and contemptible person, living, who for his despicable condition may be compared to a dog, is to be preferred to the most generous man, or to the greatest potentate, dead; since the one may possibly be useful in some respects or another, the other cannot: though a living sinner, who is like to a dog for his uncleanness and vileness, is not better than a dead saint or righteous man, comparable to a lion, who has hope in his death, and dies in the Lord.

Gill: Ecc 9:5 - -- For the living know that they shall die,.... Death is certain, it is the demerit of sin, the appointment of God and the time of it is fixed; it may be...

For the living know that they shall die,.... Death is certain, it is the demerit of sin, the appointment of God and the time of it is fixed; it may be known that it will be, from the word of God that assures it, from all experience which confirms it, and from the decline of nature, and the seeds of death in men. This "the living" know that live corporeally, even the wicked themselves, though they put the evil day far from them; and so good men, that live spiritually, being quickened by the Spirit and grace of God, and live a life of faith and holiness; they know they shall die, though Christ died for them, and has abolished death, as a punishment and a curse, and took away its sting, and made it a blessing; wherefore it is desirable to them, as being for their good: but there are some things about death they ordinarily know not; they do not know the time of their death; nor the place where they shall die; nor of what death they shall die; nor in what circumstances, both outward and inward: of these the Targum understands the passage;

"for the righteous know that if they sin, they shall be reckoned as dead men in the world to come, therefore they keep their ways, and sin not; but if they sin, they return by repentance;''

but the dead know not anything; this is not to be understood of their separate spirits, and of the things of the other world; for the righteous dead know much, their knowledge is greatly increased; they know, as they are known; they know much of God in Christ, of his perfections, purposes, covenant, grace, and love; they know much of Christ, of his person, offices, and glory, and see him as he is; they know much of the Gospel, and the mysteries of it; and of angels, and the spirits of just men, they now converse with; and of the glories and happiness of the heavenly state; even they know abundantly more than they did in this life: and the wicked dead, in their separate spirits, know there is a God that judgeth; that their souls are immortal; that there is a future state; indeed they know and feel the torments of hell, the worm that never dies, and the fire that is not quenched: but this is to be interpreted of their bodily senses now extinct, and of worldly things they have now nothing to do with; they know not any thing that is done in this world, nor how it fares with their children and friends they have left behind them; see Job 14:21; nor therefore are they to be prayed unto, and used as mediators with God. The Targum is,

"and sinners know not any good, so that they do not make their works good while they live; and they know not any good in the world to come;''

neither have they any more a reward; not but that there will be rewards in a future state, in which everyone shall have his own reward; there will be a reward for the righteous; they will receive the reward of the inheritance, though it will be, not of debt, but of grace; and particularly in the millennium state, Psa 58:11; and every transgression of the wicked will receive a just recompence of reward; to whom the reward of their hands will be given them, Heb 2:2; but the sense is, that after death there will be no enjoyment of a man's labours; he will not have the use, profit, and advantage of them, but his heirs that succeed him, Ecc 4:9;

for the memory of them is forgotten; not the memory of the righteous with God, for whom a book of remembrance is written, and whose names are written in heaven; these are had in everlasting remembrance, and their memory blessed: but the memory of wicked men; who, though they take pains to perpetuate their names, which they give to their lands, yet the Lord causes their memory to cease, and they are forgotten in the place where they lived; not only among the righteous, as the Targum, but among others, Isa 26:14; even among those that enjoy the fruit of their labour; they will scarce think of them any more, or, however, in a little time they will be quite forgotten by them.

Gill: Ecc 9:6 - -- Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished,.... Not that the separate spirits of the dead are without their affections, or the...

Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished,.... Not that the separate spirits of the dead are without their affections, or these unexercised; the spirits of just men made perfect will love God and Christ, and angels, and good men, and all that is good, more intensely; love will continue after this life, and be in its height, and therefore said to be the greatest grace, 1Co 13:13; they will hate sin, Satan, and all the enemies of Christ, and be filled with zeal for his glory; so the word z for envy may be rendered; see Rev 6:9; and the spirits of the wicked dead will still continue to love sin, and hate the Lord, and envy the happiness of the saints; and will rise again with the same spite and malice against them; see Eze 32:27; but this respects persons and things in this world; they no more love persons and things here, nor are loved by any; death parts the best friends, and the most endearing and loving relations, and puts an end to all their mutual friendship and affection; they hate their enemies no more, nor are hated by them; they no more envy the prosperity of others, nor are envied by others; all such kind of love and hatred, enmity and envy, active or passive, cease at death; out of the world, as the Targum adds;

neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is under the sun: the worldly man's portion is only in this life, and when he dies, he carries nothing of it with him; whose ever his possessions will be at death, they are no more his, nor will he ever return to enjoy them any more; his houses, his lands, his estates, his gold and silver, and whatever of worth and value he had, he has no more lot and part in them: but the good man has a portion above the sun; God is his portion, heaven is his inheritance for ever and ever. The Targum understands it of the wicked;

"and they have no good part with the righteous in the world to come; and they have no profit of all that is done in this world under the sun.''

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Ecc 9:4 Heb “all the living.”

NET Notes: Ecc 9:5 Heb “for their memory is forgotten.” The pronominal suffix is an objective genitive, “memory of them.”

NET Notes: Ecc 9:6 Heb “under the sun.”

Geneva Bible: Ecc 9:4 For to him that is joined to all the living there is hope: for a ( c ) living dog is better than a dead lion. ( c ) He notes the Epicurean and carnal...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Ecc 9:1-18 - --1 Like things happen to good and bad.4 There is a necessity of death unto men.7 Comfort is all their portion in this life.11 God's providence rules ov...

MHCC: Ecc 9:4-10 - --The most despicable living man's state, is preferable to that of the most noble who have died impenitent. Solomon exhorts the wise and pious to cheerf...

Matthew Henry: Ecc 9:4-10 - -- Solomon, in a fret, had praised the dead more than the living (Ecc 4:2); but here, considering the advantages of life to prepare for death and mak...

Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 9:4 - -- "For (to him) who shall be always joined to all the living, there is hope: for even a living dog is better than a dead lion."The interrog. אשׁר ...

Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 9:5-6 - -- He sarcastically verifies his comparison in favour of a living dog. "For the living know that they shall die; but the dead know not anything, and ha...

Constable: Ecc 6:10--11:7 - --III. THE LIMITATIONS OF WISDOM 6:10--11:6 Clues in the text indicate the value and purpose of 6:10-11:6. The phr...

Constable: Ecc 9:1--11:7 - --C. Man's Ignorance of the Future 9:1-11:6 The emphasis in this section (9:1-11:6) is on what man does no...

Constable: Ecc 9:1-10 - --1. The future of the righteous on earth 9:1-10 9:1 "All this" refers to the general pattern of God's inconsistent retribution that Solomon had discuss...

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Commentary -- Other

Critics Ask: Ecc 9:5 ECCLESIASTES 9:5 —Do the dead remember anything? PROBLEM: Taken at face value, Solomon seems to be claiming that the dead have no more knowledg...

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) The Hebrew title is Koheleth, which the speaker in it applies to himself (Ecc 1:12), "I, Koheleth, was king over Israel." It means an Assembler or Con...

JFB: Ecclesiastes (Outline) INTRODUCTION. (Ecc. 1:1-18)

TSK: Ecclesiastes 9 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Ecc 9:1, Like things happen to good and bad; Ecc 9:4, There is a necessity of death unto men; Ecc 9:7, Comfort is all their portion in th...

Poole: Ecclesiastes 9 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 9 All things in the hand of God: his love or hatred not visible in them; but the like happeneth to good and bad in this life, and in death ...

MHCC: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) The name of this book signifies " The Preacher." The wisdom of God here preaches to us, speaking by Solomon, who it is evident was the author. At the...

MHCC: Ecclesiastes 9 (Chapter Introduction) (Ecc 9:1-3) Good and bad men fare alike as to this world. (Ecc 9:4-10) All men must die, Their portion as to this life. (Ecc 9:11, Ecc 9:12) Disappo...

Matthew Henry: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Book of Ecclesiastes We are still among Solomon's happy men, his happy servants, that stood contin...

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Constable: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) Introduction Title The title of this book in the Hebrew text is all of verse 1. The Se...

Constable: Ecclesiastes (Outline)

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Haydock: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) ECCLESIASTES. INTRODUCTION. This Book is called Ecclesiastes, or the preacher, (in Hebrew, Coheleth ) because in it Solomon, as an excelle...

Gill: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO ECCLESIASTES This book has been universally received into the canon of the Scriptures, by Jews and Christians. The former, indeed, ...

Gill: Ecclesiastes 9 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO ECCLESIASTES 9 Though the wise man, with all his wisdom, search, and labour, could not find out the causes and reasons of divine Pr...

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