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Text -- Hebrews 12:8 (NET)

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12:8 But if you do not experience discipline, something all sons have shared shared in, then you are illegitimate and are not sons.
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Robertson: Heb 12:8 - -- If ye are without chastening ( ei chōris este paideias ). Condition of first class, determined as fulfilled. Note position of este (are) between ...

If ye are without chastening ( ei chōris este paideias ).

Condition of first class, determined as fulfilled. Note position of este (are) between the preposition chōris and paideias (ablative case).

Robertson: Heb 12:8 - -- Have been made ( gegonasin ). Perfect active indicative of ginomai .

Have been made ( gegonasin ).

Perfect active indicative of ginomai .

Robertson: Heb 12:8 - -- Partakers ( metochoi ). Partners (Heb 3:14).

Partakers ( metochoi ).

Partners (Heb 3:14).

Robertson: Heb 12:8 - -- Then ( ara ). Accordingly, correspondingly.

Then ( ara ).

Accordingly, correspondingly.

Robertson: Heb 12:8 - -- Bastards ( nothoi ). Old word, here only in N.T. Illegitimate.

Bastards ( nothoi ).

Old word, here only in N.T. Illegitimate.

Vincent: Heb 12:8 - -- Of which all are partakers ( ἧς μετοχοι γεγόνασι πάντες ) Rend. " of which all have been made partakers." For μ...

Of which all are partakers ( ἧς μετοχοι γεγόνασι πάντες )

Rend. " of which all have been made partakers." For μέτοχοι partakers see on Heb 3:14. All , that is, all sons of God.

Vincent: Heb 12:8 - -- Bastards ( νόθοι ) N.T.o . See Wisd. 4:3. They might think that they would not suffer if they were really God's sons; whereas the reverse ...

Bastards ( νόθοι )

N.T.o . See Wisd. 4:3. They might think that they would not suffer if they were really God's sons; whereas the reverse is the case. If they did not suffer, they would not be God's sons.

Wesley: Heb 12:8 - -- More or less.

More or less.

JFB: Heb 12:8 - -- Excluded from participation in chastisement, and wishing to be so.

Excluded from participation in chastisement, and wishing to be so.

JFB: Heb 12:8 - -- All sons: all the worthies enumerated in the eleventh chapter: all the witnesses (Heb 12:1).

All sons: all the worthies enumerated in the eleventh chapter: all the witnesses (Heb 12:1).

JFB: Heb 12:8 - -- Greek, "have been made."

Greek, "have been made."

JFB: Heb 12:8 - -- Of whom their fathers take no care whether they are educated or not; whereas every right-minded father is concerned for the moral well-being of his le...

Of whom their fathers take no care whether they are educated or not; whereas every right-minded father is concerned for the moral well-being of his legitimate son. "Since then not to be chastised is a mark of bastardy, we ought [not to refuse, but] rejoice in chastisement, as a mark of our genuine sonship" [CHRYSOSTOM].

Clarke: Heb 12:8 - -- Then are ye bastards - This proceeds on the general fact, that bastards are neglected in their manners and education; the fathers of such, feeling l...

Then are ye bastards - This proceeds on the general fact, that bastards are neglected in their manners and education; the fathers of such, feeling little affection for, or obligation to regard, their spurious issue. But all that are legitimate children are partakers of chastisement or discipline; for the original word παιδεια does not imply stripes and punishments, but the whole discipline of a child, both at home and at school.

TSK: Heb 12:8 - -- Heb 12:6; Psa 73:1, Psa 73:14, Psa 73:15; 1Pe 5:9, 1Pe 5:10

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Barnes: Heb 12:8 - -- But if ye be without chastisement - If you never meet with anything that is adapted to correct your faults; to subdue your temper; to chide you...

But if ye be without chastisement - If you never meet with anything that is adapted to correct your faults; to subdue your temper; to chide your wanderings, it would prove that you were in the condition of illegitimate children - cast off and disregarded by their father.

Whereof all are partakers - All who are the true children of God.

Then are ye bastards, and not sons - The reference here is to the neglect with which such children are treated, and to the general want of care and discipline over them:

"Lost in the world’ s wide range; enjoin’ d no aim,

Prescrib’ d no duty, and assign’ d no name."

Savage.

In the English law, a bastard is termed "nullius filius."Illegitimate children are usually abandoned by their father. The care of them is left to the mother, and the father endeavors to avoid all responsibility, and usually to be concealed and unknown. His own child he does not wish to recognize; he neither provides for him; nor instructs him; nor governs him; nor disciplines him. A father, who is worthy of the name, will do all these things. So Paul says it is with Christians. God has not cast them off. In every way he evinces toward them the character of a father. And if it should be that they passed along through life without any occurrence that would indicate the paternal care and attention designed to correct their faults, it would show that they never had been his children, but - were cast off and wholly disregarded. This is a beautiful argument; and we should receive every affliction as full proof that we are not forgotten by the High and Holy One who condescends to sustain to us the character, and to evince toward us, in our wanderings, the watchful care of a Father.

Poole: Heb 12:8 - -- But if God chasten you not, or if he do, and ye have not grace, or do not rightly endure it, are not managing yourselves well under it, nor are prof...

But if God chasten you not, or if he do, and ye have not grace, or do not rightly endure it, are not managing yourselves well under it, nor are profited by it, when all and every one of his children are partakers of it, then are ye a false and spurious seed, and not God’ s genuine offspring,

bastards in his account; and indeed so the most forlorn, wretched persons of all others, left under the power and dominion of sin, hurrying them on to their utter destruction, Joh 8:41 . These visible church members have a bastardly disposition, hearts alienated from God and his law, and inclined to the will and works of the flesh, expressing it in their conversation, running into the excess of sin, having no chastening to restrain them, and are deserted by God for it, Isa 1:4-6 Hos 4:14,17 .

Haydock: Heb 12:8 - -- In these last four verses we may observe as many subjects of consolation under afflictions. God, our Father, is the author of them; the chastisement ...

In these last four verses we may observe as many subjects of consolation under afflictions. God, our Father, is the author of them; the chastisement he inflicts is the proof of his love; it is the sign or mark of our divine adoption; it is a necessary condition of our being adopted.

Gill: Heb 12:8 - -- But if ye be without chastisement,.... Or have no affliction: whereof all are partakers; that is, all the children of God; they are all alike child...

But if ye be without chastisement,.... Or have no affliction:

whereof all are partakers; that is, all the children of God; they are all alike children; they are all in a state of imperfection, and prone to sin; God has an impartial respect unto them: and though they are not all alike chastened, nor chastened at all times, yet none are exempted from chastisement, but have it in some way or another, and at some time or another.

Then are ye bastards, and not sons; all are not sons that are under a profession of religion; all that are under a profession of religion are not chastised; but then those are not the children of God, but the children of the world, of Satan, and of the antichristian harlot; for though all that are chastised are not children, yet all that are children are chastised: hence we learn, that outward peace and prosperity is not a note of a true church; and that such have reason to distrust their state, who know not what it is to have the chastising rod of God upon them; and that afflictions are rather arguments for than against sonship.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Heb 12:8 Grk “all”; “sons” is implied by the context.

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Heb 12:1-29 - --1 An exhortation to constant faith, patience, and godliness.22 A commendation of the new testament above the old.

Combined Bible: Heb 12:7-8 - --Chastisement    (Hebrews 12:7, 8)    The all-important matter in connection with Divine chastenings, so far as the Christian is...

MHCC: Heb 12:1-11 - --The persevering obedience of faith in Christ, was the race set before the Hebrews, wherein they must either win the crown of glory, or have everlastin...

Matthew Henry: Heb 12:4-17 - -- Here the apostle presses the exhortation to patience and perseverance by an argument taken from the gentle measure and gracious nature of those suff...

Barclay: Heb 12:5-11 - --The writer to the Hebrews sets out still another reason why men should cheerfully bear affliction when it comes to them. He has urged them to bear it...

Constable: Heb 11:1--12:14 - --IV. THE PROPER RESPONSE 11:1--12:13 "In chapter 10:22-25 there were three exhortations, respectively to Faith, H...

Constable: Heb 12:1-13 - --B. Demonstrating Necessary Endurance 12:1-13 The writer followed up his scriptural exposition with anoth...

Constable: Heb 12:4-11 - --2. The proper view of trials 12:4-11 The writer put his readers' sufferings in perspective so they might not overestimate the difficulty they faced in...

College: Heb 12:1-29 - --HEBREWS 12 VIII. GOD EXPECTS US TO ENDURE DISCIPLINE (12:1-29) A. A CALL TO PERSEVERANCE (12:1-3) 1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a gr...

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Introduction / Outline

Robertson: Hebrews (Book Introduction) The Epistle to the Hebrews By Way of Introduction Unsettled Problems Probably no book in the New Testament presents more unsettled problems tha...

JFB: Hebrews (Book Introduction) CANONICITY AND AUTHORSHIP.--CLEMENT OF ROME, at the end of the first century (A.D), copiously uses it, adopting its words just as he does those of the...

JFB: Hebrews (Outline) THE HIGHEST OF ALL REVELATIONS IS GIVEN US NOW IN THE SON OF GOD, WHO IS GREATER THAN THE ANGELS, AND WHO, HAVING COMPLETED REDEMPTION, SITS ENTHRONE...

TSK: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Heb 12:1, An exhortation to constant faith, patience, and godliness; Heb 12:22, A commendation of the new testament above the old.

Poole: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 13

MHCC: Hebrews (Book Introduction) This epistle shows Christ as the end, foundation, body, and truth of the figures of the law, which of themselves were no virtue for the soul. The grea...

MHCC: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) (Heb 12:1-11) An exhortation to be constant and persevere, The example of Christ is set forth, and the gracious design of God in all the sufferings be...

Matthew Henry: Hebrews (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Epistle to the Hebrews Concerning this epistle we must enquire, I. Into the divine authority of it...

Matthew Henry: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) The apostle, in this chapter, applies what he has collected in the chapter foregoing, and makes use of it as a great motive to patience and perseve...

Barclay: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO THE LETTER TO THE HEBREWS God Fulfils Himself In Many Ways Religion has never been the same thing to all men. "God," as Tennyson sai...

Barclay: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) The Race And The Goal (Heb_12:1-2) The Standard Of Comparison (Heb_12:3-4) The Discipline Of God (Heb_12:5-11) Duties, Aims And Dangers (Heb_12:...

Constable: Hebrews (Book Introduction) Introduction Historical background The writer said that he and those to whom he wrote ...

Constable: Hebrews (Outline)

Constable: Hebrews Hebrews Bibliography Andersen, Ward. "The Believer's Rest (Hebrews 4)." Biblical Viewpoint 24:1 (April 1990):31...

Haydock: Hebrews (Book Introduction) THE EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL, THE APOSTLE, TO THE HEBREWS. INTRODUCTION. The Catholic Church hath received and declared this Epistle to be part of ...

Gill: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO HEBREWS That this epistle was written very early appears from hence, that it was imitated by Clement of Rome, in his epistle to the...

Gill: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO HEBREWS 12 In this chapter the apostle presses to a constant exercise of faith and patience, amidst the various afflictions the sai...

College: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION It is difficult to overestimate the significance of Hebrews for understanding the nature of the new covenant. No other document in the N...

College: Hebrews (Outline) OUTLINE I. JESUS IS SUPERIOR TO THE ANGELS - 1:1-14 A. The Preeminence of the Son - 1:1-4 B. The Son Superior to the Angels - 1:5-14 II. ...

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