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Text -- Hebrews 12:9 (NET)

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12:9 Besides, we have experienced discipline from our earthly fathers and we respected them; shall we not submit ourselves all the more to the Father of spirits and receive life?
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Robertson: Heb 12:9 - -- Furthermore ( eita ). The next step in the argument (Mar 4:17).

Furthermore ( eita ).

The next step in the argument (Mar 4:17).

Robertson: Heb 12:9 - -- We had ( eichomen ). Imperfect indicative of customary action, "we used to have."

We had ( eichomen ).

Imperfect indicative of customary action, "we used to have."

Robertson: Heb 12:9 - -- To chasten us ( paideutas ). Predicate accusative after eichomen , "as chasteners."Old word from paideuō , as agent (-tēs ). Only once in lxx (H...

To chasten us ( paideutas ).

Predicate accusative after eichomen , "as chasteners."Old word from paideuō , as agent (-tēs ). Only once in lxx (Hosea 5:2) and twice in N.T. (here and Rom 2:20).

Robertson: Heb 12:9 - -- We gave them reverence ( enetrepometha ). Imperfect middle of old word entrepō , to turn in or at. Here "we turned ourselves to"as in Mat 21:37, ha...

We gave them reverence ( enetrepometha ).

Imperfect middle of old word entrepō , to turn in or at. Here "we turned ourselves to"as in Mat 21:37, habitual attitude of reverence.

Robertson: Heb 12:9 - -- Shall we be in subjection ( hupotagēsometha ). Second future passive of hupotassō . There is no de here to correspond to men in the first par...

Shall we be in subjection ( hupotagēsometha ).

Second future passive of hupotassō . There is no de here to correspond to men in the first part of the verse.

Robertson: Heb 12:9 - -- Unto the father of spirits ( tōi patri tōn pneumatōn ). Rather, "Unto the Father of our spirits"(note article ton ). As God is.

Unto the father of spirits ( tōi patri tōn pneumatōn ).

Rather, "Unto the Father of our spirits"(note article ton ). As God is.

Vincent: Heb 12:9 - -- Furthermore ( εἷτα ) Everywhere else in N.T. this particle marks a succession of time or incident. See Mar 4:17; Mar 8:25; Luk 8:12; 1Co ...

Furthermore ( εἷτα )

Everywhere else in N.T. this particle marks a succession of time or incident. See Mar 4:17; Mar 8:25; Luk 8:12; 1Co 15:5, 1Co 15:7. Here it introduces a new phase of the subject under discussion.

Vincent: Heb 12:9 - -- Fathers of our flesh ( τοὺς μὲν τῆς σαρκὸς ἡμῶν πατέρας ) Up to this point the suffering of Christians h...

Fathers of our flesh ( τοὺς μὲν τῆς σαρκὸς ἡμῶν πατέρας )

Up to this point the suffering of Christians has been explained by God's fatherly relation to them. Now the emphatic point is that their fathers, with whom God is compared, were only earthly , human parents. The phrase πατέρας τῆς σαρκὸς N.T.o , but kindred expressions are found Rom 4:1, Rom 9:3; Gal 4:29; Heb 2:14.

Vincent: Heb 12:9 - -- Which corrected ( παιδευτὰς ) Lit. " we have had fathers of our flesh as chasteners ." Only here and Rom 2:20. In lxx, Sir. 37:19;...

Which corrected ( παιδευτὰς )

Lit. " we have had fathers of our flesh as chasteners ." Only here and Rom 2:20. In lxx, Sir. 37:19; Hos 5:2; 4 Macc. 5:34; 9:6.

Vincent: Heb 12:9 - -- Shall we not much rather be in subjection ( οὐ πολὺ μάλλον ὑποταγησόμεθα ) The comparison is between the respe...

Shall we not much rather be in subjection ( οὐ πολὺ μάλλον ὑποταγησόμεθα )

The comparison is between the respect paid to a fallible, human parent, which may grow out of the natural relation, or may be due to fear, and the complete subjection to the divine Father.

Vincent: Heb 12:9 - -- To the Father of spirits ( τῷ πατρὶ τῶν πνευμάτων ) Contrasted with fathers of the flesh . Their relation to ...

To the Father of spirits ( τῷ πατρὶ τῶν πνευμάτων )

Contrasted with fathers of the flesh . Their relation to us is limited; his is universal. They are related to us on the fleshly side; he is the creator of our essential life. Our relation to him is on the side of our eternal being. Comp. Joh 4:23, Joh 4:24; Zec 12:1; Isa 57:16. The phrase N.T.o . Comp. lxx, Num 16:22; Num 27:16; Rev 22:6. Clement of Rome styles God the benefactor (εὐεργέτης ) of spirits , the creator and overseer (κτίστης, ἐπίσκοπος ) of every spirit, and the Lord (δεσπότης ) of spirits . Ad Corinth . lix, lxiv.

Vincent: Heb 12:9 - -- And live ( καὶ ζήσομεν ) Have true life; not limited to the future life. Comp. Joh 5:26; Joh 6:57; 1Jo 5:11; Rev 11:11; Act 16:28; ...

And live ( καὶ ζήσομεν )

Have true life; not limited to the future life. Comp. Joh 5:26; Joh 6:57; 1Jo 5:11; Rev 11:11; Act 16:28; Rom 6:11; Rom 14:8; 1Jo 4:9, and see on living God , Heb 3:12.

Wesley: Heb 12:9 - -- We neither despised nor fainted under their correction.

We neither despised nor fainted under their correction.

Wesley: Heb 12:9 - -- Submit with reverence and meekness To the Father of spirits - That we may live with him for ever. Perhaps these expressions, fathers of our flesh, and...

Submit with reverence and meekness To the Father of spirits - That we may live with him for ever. Perhaps these expressions, fathers of our flesh, and Father of spirits, intimate that our earthly fathers are only the parents of our bodies, our souls not being originally derived from them, but all created by the immediate power of God; perhaps, at the beginning of the world.

JFB: Heb 12:9 - -- Rather as Greek, "We had the fathers of our flesh as correctors."

Rather as Greek, "We had the fathers of our flesh as correctors."

JFB: Heb 12:9 - -- See the punishment of insubordination, Deu 21:18.

See the punishment of insubordination, Deu 21:18.

JFB: Heb 12:9 - -- Contrasted with "the fathers of our flesh." "Generation by men is carnal, by God is spiritual" [BENGEL]. As "Father of spirits," He is both the Origin...

Contrasted with "the fathers of our flesh." "Generation by men is carnal, by God is spiritual" [BENGEL]. As "Father of spirits," He is both the Originator, and the Providential and Gracious Sustainer, at once of animal and spiritual life. Compare "and LIVE," namely, spiritually; also Heb 12:10, "that we might be partakers of His holiness" (2Pe 1:4). God is a spirit Himself, and the Creator of spirits like Himself, in contrast to men who are flesh, and the progenitors of flesh (Joh 3:6). Jesus our pattern "learned obedience" experimentally by suffering (Heb 5:8).

JFB: Heb 12:9 - -- And so, thereby live spiritually and eternally.

And so, thereby live spiritually and eternally.

Clarke: Heb 12:9 - -- We have had fathers of our flesh - The fathers of our flesh, i.e. our natural parents, were correctors; and we reverenced them, notwithstanding thei...

We have had fathers of our flesh - The fathers of our flesh, i.e. our natural parents, were correctors; and we reverenced them, notwithstanding their corrections often arose from whim or caprice: but shall we not rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits; to him from whom we have received both body and soul; who is our Creator, Preserver, and Supporter; to whom both we and our parents owe our life and our blessings; and who corrects us only for our profit; that we may live and be partakers of his holiness? The apostle in asking, Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? alludes to the punishment of the stubborn and rebellious son, Deu 21:18-21 : "If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, who will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them; then shall his father and mother lay hold on him and bring him to the elders of the city, and they shall say, This our son is stubborn and rebellious; he will not obey our voice: and all the men of the city shall stone him with stones that he Die."Had he been subject to his earthly parents, he would have lived; because not subject, he dies. If we be subject to our heavenly Father, we shall Live, and be partakers of his holiness; if not, we shall Die, and be treated as bastards and not sons. This is the sum of the apostle’ s meaning; and the fact and the law to which he alludes.

Calvin: Heb 12:9 - -- 9.=== Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh, === etc. This comparison has several parts: the first is, that if we showed so much reverence t...

9.=== Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh, === etc. This comparison has several parts: the first is, that if we showed so much reverence to the fathers from whom we have descended according to the flesh, as to submit to their discipline, much more honor is due to God who is our spiritual Father; another is, that the discipline which fathers use as to their children is only useful for the present life, but that God looks farther, having in view to prepare us for an eternal life; and the third is, that men chastise their children as it seems good to them, but that God regulates his discipline in the best manner, and with perfect wisdom, so that there is nothing in it but what is duly ordered. He then, in the first place, makes this difference between God and men, that they are the fathers of the flesh, but he of the spirit; and on this difference he enlarges by comparing the flesh with the spirit.

But it may be asked, Is not God the Father also of our flesh? For it is not without reason that Job mentions the creation of men as one of the chief miracles of God: hence on this account also he is justly entitled to the name of Father. Were we to say that he is called the Father of spirits, because he alone creates and regenerates our souls without the aid of man, it might be said again that Paul glories in being the spiritual father of those whom he had begotten in Christ by the Gospel. To these things I reply, that God is the Father of the body as well as of the soul, and, properly speaking, he is indeed the only true Father; and that this name is only as it were by way of concession applied to men, both in regard of the body and of the soul. As, however, in creating souls, he does use the instrumentality of men, and as he renews them in a wonderful manner by the power of the Spirit, he is peculiarly called, by way of eminence, the Father of spirits. 250

When he says, and we gave them reverence, he refers to a feeling implanted in us by nature, so that we honor parents even when they treat us harshly. By saying, in subjection to the Father of spirits, he intimates that it is but just to concede to God the authority he has over us by the right of a Father. By saying, and live, he points out the cause or the end, for the conjunction “and” is to be rendered that, — “that we may live.” Now we are reminded by this word live, that there is nothing more ruinous to us than to refuse to surrender ourselves in obedience to God.

TSK: Heb 12:9 - -- fathers : Joh 3:6; Act 2:30; Rom 1:3, Rom 9:3, Rom 9:5 corrected : Heb 12:7 we gave : Exo 20:12; Lev 19:3; Deu 21:18-21, Deu 27:16; Pro 30:17; Eze 22:...

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Barnes: Heb 12:9 - -- Furthermore - As an additional consideration to induce us to receive chastisement with submission. The argument in this verse is derived from t...

Furthermore - As an additional consideration to induce us to receive chastisement with submission. The argument in this verse is derived from the difference in the spirit and design with which we are corrected by God and by an earthly parent. In God everything is without any intermingling of passion or any improper feeling. In an earthly parent there is often much that is the result of hasty emotion, of an irascible temper, perhaps of the mere love of power. There is much that is inflicted without due reflection, and that produces only pain in the bosom of the parent himself in the recollection. Yet with all this imperfection of parental government, we were patient and unmurmuring. How much more should we submit to one whose paternal discipline is caused by no excited feeling; by no love of power; by no want of reflection, and which never furnishes occasion for regret!

Fathers of our flesh - Earthly fathers; those from whom we have derived our being here. They are contrasted here with God, who is called "the Father of spirits,"not because the father does not sustain the paternal relation to the soul as well as the body, but to designate the nature of the dominion over us. The dominion of God is what pertains to a spiritual kingdom, having more direct reference to the discipline of the soul, and being designed to prepare us for the spiritual world; that of the earthly father pertains primarily to our condition here, and the discipline is designed to subdue our unruly passions, to teach us to restrain our appetites, to inculcate maxims of health and prosperity, and to prevent those things which would impede our happiness in the present world. See, however, many curious instances of the manner in which these phrases were used by the Jewish writers, collected by Wetstein.

We gave them reverence - We submitted to them; honored them; loved them. Painful at the time as correction may have been, yet when we have fully understood the design of it, we have loved them the more. The effect of such discipline, properly administered, is to produce real veneration for a parent - for he who in a timely and appropriate manner restrains his child is the only one who will secure ultimate reverence and respect.

Shall we not much rather be in subjection - Since God’ s government is so much more perfect; since he has so much better right to control us; and since his administration is free from all the defects which attend parental discipline on earth, there is a much higher reason for bowing with submission and reverence to him.

The Father of spirits - Thus, in Num 16:22, God is called "the God of the spirits of all flesh;"so also Num 27:16; compare Job 33:4. The idea seems to be that, as the soul is the most important part of man, this name is given to God by way of eminence, or he is eminently and supremely our Father. It was his to create the immortal part, and to that spirit which is never to die he sustains the relation of Father. The earthly father is parent to the man as mortal; God is the Father of man as immortal. God is himself a spirit. Angels and human souls, therefore, may be represented as especially his offspring. It is the highest designation which could be given to God to say that he is at the head of the universe of mind; not implying that he is not also at the head of the material universe, but designing to bring into view this high characteristic of the Almighty, that all created minds throughout the universe sustain to him the relation of children. To this Great Being we should, therefore, more cheerfully subject ourselves than to an earthly parent.

And live - Meaning that his fatherly chastisements are adapted to secure our spiritual life. He corrects us that he may promote our final happiness, and his inflictions are the means of saving us from eternal death.

Poole: Heb 12:9 - -- Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us: he enforceth the duty of not despising nor fainting under the Lord’ s chastenin...

Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us: he enforceth the duty of not despising nor fainting under the Lord’ s chastening, from the consideration of his being our Father, and better than any earthly one, and from his goodness in that relation, and therefore we ought to submit to it: We have had our natural parents, as we are children, and who were the subordinate cause of our being as to our bodies, Heb 7:5,10 , and they were instructors and correctors of us, made use of the rod as well as the word for our nurture; they have whipped and chastised us, putting us to smart and pain, 2Sa 7:14 Pro 22:15 .

And we gave them reverenceenetrepomeya , imports a turning of bowels and spirits within them towards their fathers, covered with shame and blushing for their faults, and afraid to look them, when offended, in the face; reverencing them chastening, and submitting to the penalty, so as to reform and turn from the faults for which they were corrected.

Shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits? The expostulation shows the vehemency of the argument more than a simple position. It is the highest reason, of all right we must and ought (being as much our privilege as duty) to deny ourselves, and be in in that subjection, the free and willing subordination of our spirits to God, as the rod calls for it, receiving the correction, reforming under it, and resigning our souls to him who is the Creator of them as to their natural and spiritual being, and the Sovereign, Guardian, Protector, and Disposer of them; men nor angels have any power over them, but this Father of them only, and his great work and concern is about them, Gen 2:7 Num 27:16 Ecc 12:7 Zec 12:1 .

And live by his chastening of our spirits, our immortal souls, Joh 3:6 Rom 8:5,6 , he is furnishing them with more spiritual life, whereby they are enabled to live and move wholly to God, from grace to glory. He makes them live more the life of God, which God in flesh lived on earth, Gal 2:20 Eph 4:18 Phi 1:21 1Pe 4:6 1Jo 3:9 . This chastening promotes this honourable life as an instrument and means in God’ s hand, and advanceth it daily, till it is perfected in eternal life, Act 14:22 Rom 5:3-5 8:18 2Co 4:17,18 Jas 1:12 Jud 1:22 .

Gill: Heb 12:9 - -- Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh,.... Earthly parents; who are so called, because they are the immediate causes and instruments of the ge...

Furthermore, we have had fathers of our flesh,.... Earthly parents; who are so called, because they are the immediate causes and instruments of the generation of their children, and of their fleshly bodies and worldly beings; and to distinguish them from the Father of spirits: and this shows, that they have not the spirit or soul from them, only the flesh or body, and which is frail and corrupt; and therefore goes by this name.

Which corrected us; early, and at proper seasons, in love, and for instruction, and to prevent ruin, and death:

and we gave them reverence; by submitting to their correction, and hearkening to it; by taking shame to themselves, and acknowledging the offence committed; by retaining the same affection for them; and, by a carefulness not to offend for the future.

Shall we not much rather be in subjection to the Father of spirits, and live? that is, to God, who is so called; not because he is the Creator of angels, who are spirits; but because he is the Creator of the souls of men; the soul is the more noble and excellent part of man: it bears a resemblance to God; it is, the life of man, and is immortal; it is exceeding precious, and the redemption of it; this was at first immediately created by God; and he still continues to create souls, which he preserves in their being, and has the power of saving and destroying them. Besides, God may be so called, because he is the author and donor of all spiritual gifts, and particularly of regenerating grace; it is he who renews a right spirit in them, and puts a new spirit into them: now such ought to be in "subjection" to him; not only as creatures to a Creator, and as subjects to their prince: but as children to a father, and particularly to him, as and when correcting; they should bow to his sovereignty, resign to his will, be humble under his mighty hand, be still and quiet, and bear all patiently; the advantage arising from such a subjection is life: "and live"; or "that ye may live"; or "and ye shall live": more comfortably, and more to the glory of God, in communion and fellowship with him here, and in heaven to all eternity.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Heb 12:9 Submit ourselves…to the Father of spirits and receive life. This idea is drawn from Proverbs, where the Lord’s discipline brings life, whi...

Geneva Bible: Heb 12:9 ( 6 ) Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto ...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Heb 12:1-29 - --1 An exhortation to constant faith, patience, and godliness.22 A commendation of the new testament above the old.

Combined Bible: Heb 12:9 - --Chastisement    (Hebrews 12:9)    The apostle Paul did not, like so many of our moderns, hurry through a subject and dismiss an...

MHCC: Heb 12:1-11 - --The persevering obedience of faith in Christ, was the race set before the Hebrews, wherein they must either win the crown of glory, or have everlastin...

Matthew Henry: Heb 12:4-17 - -- Here the apostle presses the exhortation to patience and perseverance by an argument taken from the gentle measure and gracious nature of those suff...

Barclay: Heb 12:5-11 - --The writer to the Hebrews sets out still another reason why men should cheerfully bear affliction when it comes to them. He has urged them to bear it...

Constable: Heb 11:1--12:14 - --IV. THE PROPER RESPONSE 11:1--12:13 "In chapter 10:22-25 there were three exhortations, respectively to Faith, H...

Constable: Heb 12:1-13 - --B. Demonstrating Necessary Endurance 12:1-13 The writer followed up his scriptural exposition with anoth...

Constable: Heb 12:4-11 - --2. The proper view of trials 12:4-11 The writer put his readers' sufferings in perspective so they might not overestimate the difficulty they faced in...

College: Heb 12:1-29 - --HEBREWS 12 VIII. GOD EXPECTS US TO ENDURE DISCIPLINE (12:1-29) A. A CALL TO PERSEVERANCE (12:1-3) 1 Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a gr...

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Introduction / Outline

Robertson: Hebrews (Book Introduction) The Epistle to the Hebrews By Way of Introduction Unsettled Problems Probably no book in the New Testament presents more unsettled problems tha...

JFB: Hebrews (Book Introduction) CANONICITY AND AUTHORSHIP.--CLEMENT OF ROME, at the end of the first century (A.D), copiously uses it, adopting its words just as he does those of the...

JFB: Hebrews (Outline) THE HIGHEST OF ALL REVELATIONS IS GIVEN US NOW IN THE SON OF GOD, WHO IS GREATER THAN THE ANGELS, AND WHO, HAVING COMPLETED REDEMPTION, SITS ENTHRONE...

TSK: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Heb 12:1, An exhortation to constant faith, patience, and godliness; Heb 12:22, A commendation of the new testament above the old.

Poole: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 13

MHCC: Hebrews (Book Introduction) This epistle shows Christ as the end, foundation, body, and truth of the figures of the law, which of themselves were no virtue for the soul. The grea...

MHCC: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) (Heb 12:1-11) An exhortation to be constant and persevere, The example of Christ is set forth, and the gracious design of God in all the sufferings be...

Matthew Henry: Hebrews (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Epistle to the Hebrews Concerning this epistle we must enquire, I. Into the divine authority of it...

Matthew Henry: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) The apostle, in this chapter, applies what he has collected in the chapter foregoing, and makes use of it as a great motive to patience and perseve...

Barclay: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO THE LETTER TO THE HEBREWS God Fulfils Himself In Many Ways Religion has never been the same thing to all men. "God," as Tennyson sai...

Barclay: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) The Race And The Goal (Heb_12:1-2) The Standard Of Comparison (Heb_12:3-4) The Discipline Of God (Heb_12:5-11) Duties, Aims And Dangers (Heb_12:...

Constable: Hebrews (Book Introduction) Introduction Historical background The writer said that he and those to whom he wrote ...

Constable: Hebrews (Outline)

Constable: Hebrews Hebrews Bibliography Andersen, Ward. "The Believer's Rest (Hebrews 4)." Biblical Viewpoint 24:1 (April 1990):31...

Haydock: Hebrews (Book Introduction) THE EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL, THE APOSTLE, TO THE HEBREWS. INTRODUCTION. The Catholic Church hath received and declared this Epistle to be part of ...

Gill: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO HEBREWS That this epistle was written very early appears from hence, that it was imitated by Clement of Rome, in his epistle to the...

Gill: Hebrews 12 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO HEBREWS 12 In this chapter the apostle presses to a constant exercise of faith and patience, amidst the various afflictions the sai...

College: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION It is difficult to overestimate the significance of Hebrews for understanding the nature of the new covenant. No other document in the N...

College: Hebrews (Outline) OUTLINE I. JESUS IS SUPERIOR TO THE ANGELS - 1:1-14 A. The Preeminence of the Son - 1:1-4 B. The Son Superior to the Angels - 1:5-14 II. ...

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