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Text -- Hebrews 5:8 (NET)

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5:8 Although he was a son, he learned obedience through the things he suffered.
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Robertson: Heb 5:8 - -- Though he was a Son ( kaiper ōn huios ). Concessive participle with kaiper , regular Greek idiom as in Heb 7:5; Heb 12:17.

Though he was a Son ( kaiper ōn huios ).

Concessive participle with kaiper , regular Greek idiom as in Heb 7:5; Heb 12:17.

Robertson: Heb 5:8 - -- Yet learned obedience ( emathen hupakoēn ). Second aorist active indicative of manthanō . Succinct and crisp statement of the humanity of Jesus i...

Yet learned obedience ( emathen hupakoēn ).

Second aorist active indicative of manthanō . Succinct and crisp statement of the humanity of Jesus in full harmony with Luk 2:40, Luk 2:52 and with Heb 2:10.

Robertson: Heb 5:8 - -- By the things which he suffered ( aph' hōn epathen ). There is a play on the two verbs (emathen -epathen ), paronomasia. Second aorist active ind...

By the things which he suffered ( aph' hōn epathen ).

There is a play on the two verbs (emathen -epathen ), paronomasia. Second aorist active indicative of paschō . He always did his Father’ s will (Joh 8:29), but he grew in experience as in wisdom and stature and in the power of sympathy with us.

Vincent: Heb 5:8 - -- Though he were a Son ( καίπερ ὣν υἱὸς ) For were rend. was . His training for the priesthood involved suffering, even th...

Though he were a Son ( καίπερ ὣν υἱὸς )

For were rend. was . His training for the priesthood involved suffering, even though he was a son. Connect with ἔμαθεν learned , not with the preceding clause, which would mean that his position as a son did not exempt him from the obligation to godly fear, which is true as a fact (see Heb 5:7), but is not the point of emphasis here.

Vincent: Heb 5:8 - -- Learned he obedience ( ἔμαθεν τὴν ὑπακοήν ) Omit he , since the subject of ἔμαθεν learned is ὃς who...

Learned he obedience ( ἔμαθεν τὴν ὑπακοήν )

Omit he , since the subject of ἔμαθεν learned is ὃς who , Heb 5:7. Jesus did not have to learn to obey, see Joh 8:29; but he required the special discipline of a severe human experience as a training for his office as a high priest who could be touched with the feeling of human infirmities. He did not need to be disciplined out of any inclination to disobedience; but, as Alford puts it, " the special course of submission by which he became perfected as our high priest was gone through in time, and was a matter of acquirement and practice." This is no more strange than his growth in wisdom, Luk 2:52. Growth in experience was an essential part of his humanity.

Vincent: Heb 5:8 - -- By the things which he suffered ( ἀφ ' ὧν ἔπαθεν ) Or from the things, etc. Note the word-play, ἔμαθεν ἔπα...

By the things which he suffered ( ἀφ ' ὧν ἔπαθεν )

Or from the things, etc. Note the word-play, ἔμαθεν ἔπαθεν . So Croesus, addressing Cyrus, says, τὰ δέ μοι παθήματα, ἐόντα ἀχάριστα, μαθήματα γέγονεν, " my sufferings , though painful, have proved to be lessons " (Hdt. i. 207): so Soph. Trach . 142, μήτ ' ἐκμάθοις παθοῦσα " mayst thou not learn by suffering ."

Wesley: Heb 5:8 - -- This is interposed. lest any should be offended at all these instances of human weakness. In the garden, how frequently did he call God his Father! Ma...

This is interposed. lest any should be offended at all these instances of human weakness. In the garden, how frequently did he call God his Father! Mat 26:39, &c. And hence it most evidently appears that his being the Son of God did not arise merely from his resurrection.

Wesley: Heb 5:8 - -- The word learned, premised to the word suffered, elegantly shows how willingly he learned. He learned obedience, when be began to suffer; when he appl...

The word learned, premised to the word suffered, elegantly shows how willingly he learned. He learned obedience, when be began to suffer; when he applied himself to drink that cup: obedience in suffering and dying.

JFB: Heb 5:8 - -- Though He WAS (so it ought to be translated: a positive admitted fact: not a mere supposition as were would imply) God's divine Son (whence, even in H...

Though He WAS (so it ought to be translated: a positive admitted fact: not a mere supposition as were would imply) God's divine Son (whence, even in His agony, He so lovingly and often cried, Father, Mat 26:39), yet He learned His (so the Greek) obedience, not from His Sonship, but from His sufferings. As the Son, He was always obedient to the Father's will; but the special obedience needed to qualify Him as our High Priest, He learned experimentally in practical suffering. Compare Phi 2:6-8, "equal with God, but . . . took upon Him the form of a servant, and became obedient unto death," &c. He was obedient already before His passion, but He stooped to a still more humiliating and trying form of obedience then. The Greek adage is, "Pathemata mathemata," "sufferings, disciplinings." Praying and obeying, as in Christ's case, ought to go hand in hand.

Clarke: Heb 5:8 - -- Though he were a Son - See the whole of the preceding note.

Though he were a Son - See the whole of the preceding note.

Calvin: Heb 5:8 - -- 8.=== Yet learned he obedience, === etc. The proximate end of Christ’s sufferings was thus to habituate himself to obedience; not that he was driv...

8.=== Yet learned he obedience, === etc. The proximate end of Christ’s sufferings was thus to habituate himself to obedience; not that he was driven to this by force, or that he had need of being thus exercised, as the case is with oxen or horses when their ferocity is to be tamed, for he was abundantly willing to render to his Father the obedience which he owed. But this was done from a regard to our benefit, that he might exhibit to us an instance and an example of subjection even to death itself. It may at the same time be truly said that Christ by his death learned fully what it was to obey God, since he was then led in a special manner to deny himself; for renouncing his own will, he so far gave himself up to his Father that of his own accord and willingly he underwent that death which he greatly dreaded. The meaning then is that Christ was by his sufferings taught how far God ought to be submitted to and obeyed.

It is then but right that we also should by his example be taught and prepared by various sorrows, and at length by death itself, to render obedience to God; nay, much more necessary is this in our case, for we have a disposition contumacious and ungovernable until the Lord subdues us by such exercises to bear his yoke. This benefit, which arises from the cross, ought to allay its bitterness in our hearts; for what can be more desirable than to be made obedient to God? But this cannot be effected but by the cross, for in prosperity we exult as with loose reins; nay, in most cases, when the yoke is shaken off, the wantonness of the flesh breaks forth into excesses. But when restraint is put on our will, when we seek to please God, in this act only does our obedience show itself; nay, it is an illustrious proof of perfect obedience when we choose the death to which God may call us, though we dread it, rather than the life which we naturally desire.

Defender: Heb 5:8 - -- What Jesus knew by omniscience, He "learned" by experience, thus "being made perfect" - not as God (for as God He was eternally perfect, by definition...

What Jesus knew by omniscience, He "learned" by experience, thus "being made perfect" - not as God (for as God He was eternally perfect, by definition), but as man. See notes on Heb 2:10."

TSK: Heb 5:8 - -- he were : Heb 1:5, Heb 1:8, Heb 3:6 yet : Heb 10:5-9; Isa 50:5, Isa 50:6; Mat 3:15; Joh 4:34, Joh 6:38, Joh 15:10; Phi 2:8

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Barnes: Heb 5:8 - -- Though he were a Son - Though the Son of God. Though he sustained this exalted rank, and was conscious of it, yet he was willing to learn exper...

Though he were a Son - Though the Son of God. Though he sustained this exalted rank, and was conscious of it, yet he was willing to learn experimentally what is meant by obedience in the midst of sufferings.

Yet learned he obedience - That is, he learned experimentally and practically. It cannot be supposed that he did not "know"what obedience was; or that he was "indisposed"to obey God before he suffered; or that he had, as we have, perversities of nature leading to rebellion which required to be subdued by suffering, but that he was willing to "test"the power of obedience in sufferings; to become personally and practically acquainted with the nature of such obedience in the midst of protracted woes; compare note on Phi 2:8. The "object"here is, to show how well suited the Lord Jesus was to be a Saviour for mankind; and the argument is, that he has set us an example, and has shown that the most perfect obedience may be manifested in the deepest sorrows of the body and the soul. Hence, learn that one of the objects of affliction is to lead us "to obey God."In prosperity we forget it. We become self-confident and rebellious. "Then"God lays his hand upon us; breaks up our plans; crushes our hopes; takes away our health, and teaches us that we "must"be submissive to his will. Some of the most valuable lessons of obedience are learned in the furnace of affliction; and many of the most submissive children of the Almighty have been made so as the result of protracted woes.

Poole: Heb 5:8 - -- He fulfilled his type in the end; for though he were God the Son incarnate, in a nearer and more excellent relation to the Father than any angel, or...

He fulfilled his type in the end; for though he were God the Son incarnate, in a nearer and more excellent relation to the Father than any angel, or any high priest among men his types, being all servants to his Father and him; God’ s Son by eternal generation as to his Deity, by conception from the Holy Ghost by the virgin as to his humanity, who for his worth might have been exempted from such burdens; yet did God teach him (not as if he wanted it at any time) by what he imposed and commanded him, and he learnt by what he did agree and covenant to perform, active obedience to God’ s will, fulfilling all righteousness, being for his person, and doing for his work to a tittle what God required from him; but especially passive obedience, by his experience knowing what it meant, freely subjecting himself to his state of humiliation, Phi 2:6-8 , enduring all the indignities and sufferings for sinners from his birth to his death, even the most vile and cursed. This the Father enjoined and commanded him, and he did obey it: read Isa 53:1-12 . He who offered prayers for himself, as a high priest offered himself a sacrifice for us, as ours. By this did he finish his Father’ s will entirely, experimentally, feelingly, knowing how difficult patience under the cross is, and how to pity us under all our sufferings.

PBC: Heb 5:8 - -- Christ was a man, but He was a God-man.  As a man, He totally depended on the Father - as a man, He was totally obedient to His Father.  Can you ima...

Christ was a man, but He was a God-man.  As a man, He totally depended on the Father - as a man, He was totally obedient to His Father.  Can you imagine (now He is God) - why does He have to be obedient?  He's not obedient as God but He's obedient as the God-man, the Messiah.  He became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross (Php 2:8)

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" Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things he suffered;" Heb 5:8.

In the life of Christ we have an example of obedience that should be studied and imitated by us. The hatred of the world, persecution, the sword, or the stake, should never deter us, or keep us from a faithful discharge of duty to him who hath called us to his service, and by his grace separated us from the world. As lively stones, or transparent, reflecting stones, we should give evidence by our life of obedience that Christ lives in us, and that we are led by the same Spirit that was in him. " For as many as are led by the Spirit of God are the sons of God." What must have been the feelings of Christ when, as an obedient son, he could look up to his Father, and say, " I have glorified thee on earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do. And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self, with the glory which I had with thee before the world was." There is a sweet reward felt in the soul of the obedient child of God that is worth more than all the joys of earth. This was felt by the dying Stephen, and by Paul and Silas in the prison at Philippi, and will be felt and enjoyed by all in the way of obedience.

Eld. Gregg Thompson

Here was sorrow such as the world never witnessed before, for while at prayer, he sweated as it were great drops of blood falling to the ground. In his soul he was suffering the pains of death, and there is no suffering to be compared with soul suffering. It was in Gethsemane that Jesus said, " My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death." The prophet was evidently looking to the sorrows in Gethsemane, when he said, " Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed," etc. It was here he prayed unto his Father, " 0, my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt." Mt 26:39 It was in suffering he learned obedience, and here, in the exceeding suffering of his soul, he said, " Not my will but thine be done." " The bitter cup shall be taken-I have come to do thy will." The spirit of obedience was in the prayer, and an angel from heaven appeared unto him, strengthening him. In obedience he submitted to the frowns of Heaven, and to be bruised of the Lord, and as Shepherd of the flock the sword of the Lord was awakened against him; Zec 13:7. His persecutors, who witnessed his sorrows, supposed that he was suffering for some great sin of his own, but it was for our sins the Lord bruised him, for, " All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all." He was the Shepherd and owner of the flock, and he must bear the penalty due to their sins. They were laid upon him, and by him must be put away; and in obedience to that will, " He was made of a woman, made under the law to redeem them, that were under the law." To do this the law must be honored, its penalties borne, and full satisfaction made. Could we this day stand by him when he prayed, and see the sweat fall as drops of blood to the ground, and hear him cry, " My soul is exceeding sorrowful, even unto death," we might learn the heinous nature of sin, and the awful penalty under which we, as sinners, lay.

Eld. Gregg Thompson

Haydock: Heb 5:8 - -- He that was truly the Son of God, and knew all things, learnt practically, and taught us perfect obedience in suffering and dying a cruel death on the...

He that was truly the Son of God, and knew all things, learnt practically, and taught us perfect obedience in suffering and dying a cruel death on the cross. (Witham)

Gill: Heb 5:8 - -- Though he were a Son,.... The Son of God, as the Vulgate Latin version reads; not by creation, nor by adoption, nor by office, but by nature, being th...

Though he were a Son,.... The Son of God, as the Vulgate Latin version reads; not by creation, nor by adoption, nor by office, but by nature, being the only begotten of the Father, having the same nature and perfections with him:

yet learned he obedience; not to his parents, or civil magistrates, though that is true; nor merely to the precepts of the law, which he did; but unto death: through sufferings he became obedient to death, even the death of the cross: and this he learnt; not that he was ignorant of the nature of it; nor was he destitute of an obedient disposition to it; but the meaning is, he had an experience of it, and effected it; and which was voluntary, and done in our room and stead; and is the rule and the measure of our righteousness before God: and this he learned,

by the things which he suffered; from men, from devils, and from the justice of God. Christ's sonship did not exempt him from obedience and sufferings; this shows the dignity of Christ's person, that he is the Son of God, not as Mediator, for as such he is a servant; and it would be no wonder that he should learn obedience as a servant; and this shows also the great humility and condescension of Christ in obeying and suffering for us; though so great a person; and likewise the vile nature of sin, and the strictness of divine justice: and we may learn from hence, not to expect to be exempted from sufferings on account of sonship; nor to conclude we are not sons, because we suffer; and that afflictions are instructive, and by them experience is learned.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Heb 5:8 There is a wordplay in the Greek text between the verbs “learned” (ἔμαθεν, emaqen) and “suffered̶...

Geneva Bible: Heb 5:8 Though he were a Son, yet ( i ) learned he obedience by the things which he suffered; ( i ) He learned in deed what it is to have a Father, whom a ma...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Heb 5:1-14 - --1 The honour of our Saviour's priesthood.11 Negligence in the knowledge thereof is reproved.

Combined Bible: Heb 5:8-10 - --Superior to Aaron.    (Hebrews 5:8-10).    The first ten verses of Hebrews 5 present to us a subject of such vast and vital imp...

MHCC: Heb 5:1-10 - --The High Priest must be a man, a partaker of our nature. This shows that man had sinned. For God would not suffer sinful man to come to him alone. But...

Matthew Henry: Heb 5:1-9 - -- We have here an account of the nature of the priestly office in general, though with an accommodation to the Lord Jesus Christ. We are told, I. Of w...

Barclay: Heb 5:1-10 - --Now Hebrews comes to work out the doctrine which is its special contribution to Christian thought--the doctrine of the High Priesthood of Jesus Christ...

Constable: Heb 3:1--5:11 - --II. The High Priestly Character of the Son 3:1--5:10 The writer proceeded to take up the terms "merciful" and "f...

Constable: Heb 4:15--5:11 - --D. The Compassion of the Son 4:15-5:10 Having explored the concept of Jesus as a faithful high priest (3:1-4:14), the writer proceeded next to develop...

College: Heb 5:1-14 - --HEBREWS 5 IV. JESUS IS SUPERIOR TO THE PRIESTHOOD OF THE OLD COVENANT AND A PRIEST FOREVER BY GOD'S OATH (5:1-7:28) A. REQUIREMENTS OF THE HIGH PRI...

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Introduction / Outline

Robertson: Hebrews (Book Introduction) The Epistle to the Hebrews By Way of Introduction Unsettled Problems Probably no book in the New Testament presents more unsettled problems tha...

JFB: Hebrews (Book Introduction) CANONICITY AND AUTHORSHIP.--CLEMENT OF ROME, at the end of the first century (A.D), copiously uses it, adopting its words just as he does those of the...

JFB: Hebrews (Outline) THE HIGHEST OF ALL REVELATIONS IS GIVEN US NOW IN THE SON OF GOD, WHO IS GREATER THAN THE ANGELS, AND WHO, HAVING COMPLETED REDEMPTION, SITS ENTHRONE...

TSK: Hebrews 5 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Heb 5:1, The honour of our Saviour’s priesthood; Heb 5:11, Negligence in the knowledge thereof is reproved.

Poole: Hebrews 5 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 5

MHCC: Hebrews (Book Introduction) This epistle shows Christ as the end, foundation, body, and truth of the figures of the law, which of themselves were no virtue for the soul. The grea...

MHCC: Hebrews 5 (Chapter Introduction) (Heb 5:1-10) The office and duty of a high priest abundantly answered in Christ. (Heb 5:11-14) The Christian Hebrews reproved for their little progre...

Matthew Henry: Hebrews (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Epistle to the Hebrews Concerning this epistle we must enquire, I. Into the divine authority of it...

Matthew Henry: Hebrews 5 (Chapter Introduction) In this chapter the apostle continues his discourse upon the priesthood of Christ, a sweet subject, which he would not too soon dismiss. And here, ...

Barclay: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO THE LETTER TO THE HEBREWS God Fulfils Himself In Many Ways Religion has never been the same thing to all men. "God," as Tennyson sai...

Barclay: Hebrews 5 (Chapter Introduction) At Home With Man And God (Heb_5:1-10) The Refusal To Grow Up (Heb_5:11-14)

Constable: Hebrews (Book Introduction) Introduction Historical background The writer said that he and those to whom he wrote ...

Constable: Hebrews (Outline)

Constable: Hebrews Hebrews Bibliography Andersen, Ward. "The Believer's Rest (Hebrews 4)." Biblical Viewpoint 24:1 (April 1990):31...

Haydock: Hebrews (Book Introduction) THE EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL, THE APOSTLE, TO THE HEBREWS. INTRODUCTION. The Catholic Church hath received and declared this Epistle to be part of ...

Gill: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO HEBREWS That this epistle was written very early appears from hence, that it was imitated by Clement of Rome, in his epistle to the...

Gill: Hebrews 5 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO HEBREWS 5 The apostle having made mention of Christ as an high priest, in the preceding chapter, proceeds in this to give an accoun...

College: Hebrews (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION It is difficult to overestimate the significance of Hebrews for understanding the nature of the new covenant. No other document in the N...

College: Hebrews (Outline) OUTLINE I. JESUS IS SUPERIOR TO THE ANGELS - 1:1-14 A. The Preeminence of the Son - 1:1-4 B. The Son Superior to the Angels - 1:5-14 II. ...

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