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Text -- Judges 8:1-5 (NET)
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Wesley: Jdg 8:1 - -- _Why hast thou neglected and despised us, in not calling us in to thy help, as thou didst other tribes? These were a proud people, puffed up with a co...
_Why hast thou neglected and despised us, in not calling us in to thy help, as thou didst other tribes? These were a proud people, puffed up with a conceit of their number and strength, and the preference which Jacob gave them above Manasseh, of which tribe Gideon was, who by this act had seemed to advance his own tribe, and to depress theirs.
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Wesley: Jdg 8:2 - -- _What I have done in cutting off some of the common soldiers, is not to be compared with your destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have ...
_What I have done in cutting off some of the common soldiers, is not to be compared with your destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have finished.
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Wesley: Jdg 8:2 - -- What you have gleaned or done after me, Of Abiezer - That is, of the Abiezrites, to whom he modestly communicates the honour of the victory, and does ...
What you have gleaned or done after me, Of Abiezer - That is, of the Abiezrites, to whom he modestly communicates the honour of the victory, and does not arrogate it to himself.
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His soft and humble answer allayed their rage.
JFB: Jdg 8:1 - -- Where this complaint was made, whether before or after the crossing of the Jordan, cannot be determined. By the overthrow of the national enemy, the E...
Where this complaint was made, whether before or after the crossing of the Jordan, cannot be determined. By the overthrow of the national enemy, the Ephraimites were benefited as largely as any of the other neighboring tribes. But, piqued at not having been sharers in the glory of the victory, their leading men could not repress their wounded pride; and the occasion only served to bring out an old and deep-seated feeling of jealous rivalry that subsisted between the tribes (Isa 9:21). The discontent was groundless, for Gideon acted according to divine directions. Besides, as their tribe was conterminous with that of Gideon, they might, had they been really fired with the flame of patriotic zeal, have volunteered their services in a movement against the common enemy.
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JFB: Jdg 8:2-3 - -- His mild and truly modest answer breathes the spirit of a great as well as good man, who was calm, collected, and self-possessed in the midst of most ...
His mild and truly modest answer breathes the spirit of a great as well as good man, who was calm, collected, and self-possessed in the midst of most exciting scenes. It succeeded in throwing oil on the troubled waters (Pro 16:1), and no wonder, for in the height of generous self-denial, it ascribes to his querulous brethren a greater share of merit and glory than belonged to himself (1Co 13:4; Phi 2:3).
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JFB: Jdg 8:4 - -- Much exhausted, but eager to continue the pursuit till the victory was consummated.
Much exhausted, but eager to continue the pursuit till the victory was consummated.
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JFB: Jdg 8:5 - -- That is, a place of tents or booths. The name seems to have been applied to the whole part of the Jordan valley on the west, as well as on the east si...
That is, a place of tents or booths. The name seems to have been applied to the whole part of the Jordan valley on the west, as well as on the east side of the river, all belonging to the tribe of Gad (compare Gen 33:17; 1Ki 7:46; with Jos 13:27). Being engaged in the common cause of all Israel, he had a right to expect support and encouragement from his countrymen everywhere.
Clarke: Jdg 8:1 - -- The men of Ephraim said - This account is no doubt displaced; for what is mentioned here could not have taken place till the return of Gideon from t...
The men of Ephraim said - This account is no doubt displaced; for what is mentioned here could not have taken place till the return of Gideon from the pursuit of the Midianites; for he had not yet passed Jordan, Jdg 8:4. And it was when he was beyond that river that the Ephraimites brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to him, Jdg 7:25.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:2 - -- Is not the gleaning, etc. - That is, The Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men; and he supports the assertion b...
Is not the gleaning, etc. - That is, The Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men; and he supports the assertion by observing that it was they who took the two Midianitish generals, having discomfited their hosts at the passes of Jordan.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:3 - -- Then their anger was abated - A soft answer turneth away wrath. He might have said that he could place but little dependence on his brethren when, t...
Then their anger was abated - A soft answer turneth away wrath. He might have said that he could place but little dependence on his brethren when, through faint-heartedness, 22,000 left him at one time; but he passed this by, and took a more excellent way.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:4 - -- Faint, yet pursuing - The Vulgate paraphrases this, et prae lassitudine, fugientes persequi non poterant ; "and, through fatigue, unable to pursue ...
Faint, yet pursuing - The Vulgate paraphrases this, et prae lassitudine, fugientes persequi non poterant ; "and, through fatigue, unable to pursue the fugitives."
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Clarke: Jdg 8:5 - -- Give, I pray you, loaves of bread - As Gideon was engaged in the common cause of Israel, he had a right to expect succor from the people at large. H...
Give, I pray you, loaves of bread - As Gideon was engaged in the common cause of Israel, he had a right to expect succor from the people at large. His request to the men of Succoth and Penuel was both just and reasonable.
TSK: Jdg 8:1 - -- the men : Jdg 12:1-6; 2Sa 19:41; Job 5:2; Ecc 4:4; Jam 4:5, Jam 4:6
Why : etc. Heb. What thing is this thou hast done unto us, sharply. Heb. strongly...
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TSK: Jdg 8:2 - -- What : 1Co 13:4-7; Gal 5:14, Gal 5:15; Phi 2:2, Phi 2:3; Jam 1:19, Jam 1:20, Jam 3:13-18
Is not the : That is, the Ephraimites have performed more imp...
What : 1Co 13:4-7; Gal 5:14, Gal 5:15; Phi 2:2, Phi 2:3; Jam 1:19, Jam 1:20, Jam 3:13-18
Is not the : That is, the Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men had achieved.
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TSK: Jdg 8:3 - -- God : Jdg 7:24, Jdg 7:25; Psa 44:3, Psa 115:1, Psa 118:14-16; Joh 4:37; Rom 12:3, Rom 12:6, Rom 15:18, Rom 15:19; Phi 2:3
Then : Pro 15:1, Pro 16:32, ...
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TSK: Jdg 8:4 - -- faint : 1Sa 14:28, 1Sa 14:29, 1Sa 14:31, 1Sa 14:32, 1Sa 30:10; 2Co 4:8, 2Co 4:9, 2Co 4:16; Gal 6:9; Heb 12:1-4
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Barnes: Jdg 8:1 - -- The success of Gideon’ s enterprise mortified the pride of Ephraim, as the chief tribe, seeing that they had played a subordinate part. Compare...
The success of Gideon’ s enterprise mortified the pride of Ephraim, as the chief tribe, seeing that they had played a subordinate part. Compare Jdg 12:1.
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Barnes: Jdg 8:2 - -- A civil war with the great tribe of Ephraim would soon have turned Israel’ s victory into mourning. Gideon therefore soothes their wounded prid...
A civil war with the great tribe of Ephraim would soon have turned Israel’ s victory into mourning. Gideon therefore soothes their wounded pride by confessing that Ephraim had done more, though they had joined him so late in the day, than he had been able to effect in the whole campaign. The grape-gleaning of Ephraim was better than the whole vintage of Abi-ezer.
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Barnes: Jdg 8:5 - -- Succoth was in the tribe of Gad which was entirely trans-Jordanic Jos 13:27; and the ruins are at Sukkot, on the east of Jordan, a little south of B...
Succoth was in the tribe of Gad which was entirely trans-Jordanic Jos 13:27; and the ruins are at Sukkot, on the east of Jordan, a little south of Bethshan.
Give, I pray you etc. - Gideon might fairly expect so much aid from the trans-Jordanic tribes, and from so considerable a town as Succoth Jdg 8:14.
Poole: Jdg 8:2 - -- What was done was done by God’ s immediate making them one to kill another; what I have done, in cutting off some of the fugitive common soldie...
What was done was done by God’ s immediate making them one to kill another; what I have done, in cutting off some of the fugitive common soldiers, is not to be compared with your exploit in destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have finished.
The gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim what you have gleaned or done after me.
Of Abi-ezer , i.e. of the Abi-ezrites , to whom he modestly communicateth the honour of the victory, and doth not arrogate it to himself, as generals commonly do.
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Poole: Jdg 8:5 - -- Succoth a place beyond Jordan, Gen 33:17 Jos 13:27 Psa 60:6 .
Kings of Midian where before this time were five kings at once, Num 31:8 , who either...
Succoth a place beyond Jordan, Gen 33:17 Jos 13:27 Psa 60:6 .
Kings of Midian where before this time were five kings at once, Num 31:8 , who either reigned separately in divers parts of the land, or governed by common counsel and consent, as sometimes there were two or three Roman emperors together.
Haydock: Jdg 8:1 - -- Ephraim. The valour and insolence of these men are placed together. Afterwards we have an account of the transactions of Gedeon in the pursuit, ver...
Ephraim. The valour and insolence of these men are placed together. Afterwards we have an account of the transactions of Gedeon in the pursuit, ver. 4. (Haydock) ---
The tribe of Ephraim seems to have had some grounds for being displeased at not being summoned at first, as well as the tribes of Aser, &c., which were farther off; particularly as they sprang from Joseph, no less than Manasses, and had their portion in common. The general answers them with great respect, as otherwise their displeasure might have had very pernicious consequences. (Calmet)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:2 - -- What could I, &c. A meek and humble answer appeased them; who otherwise might have come to extremities. So great is the power of humility both with...
What could I, &c. A meek and humble answer appeased them; who otherwise might have come to extremities. So great is the power of humility both with God and man. (Challoner) (Proverbs xv. 1.) ---
Could. Hebrew and Septuagint, "What have I yet done like you? (Menochius) ---
Is not the gleaning?" &c. I only commenced the war; you have brought it to a happy termination, by killing the princes of the enemy. (Debrio adag. 157.) At the first siege of Troy, Telamon having entered the city before Hercules, the latter was on the point of killing him, when Telamon, collecting a heap of stones, which he said he intended for an altar in honour of "the victorious Hercules," the hero's fury was appeased. (Apol. Bibl. ii. 6.)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:4 - -- Jordan. Notwithstanding the precautions of Gedeon, some had got over the river, whom he resolves to follow at Bethsan. This city was about 15 miles...
Jordan. Notwithstanding the precautions of Gedeon, some had got over the river, whom he resolves to follow at Bethsan. This city was about 15 miles from Mount Thabor. His men had been in motion a great part of the night, and had not taken provisions (Calmet) for so long a journey; so that he was obliged to apply for some when he had crossed the Jordan. (Haydock)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:5 - -- Soccoth. "The tents," where Jacob had encamped, Genesis xxxiii. It belonged to the tribe of Dan. (Menochius) ---
The people of this town, as well...
Soccoth. "The tents," where Jacob had encamped, Genesis xxxiii. It belonged to the tribe of Dan. (Menochius) ---
The people of this town, as well as the ancients of Phanuel, returned an insolent reply to the just request of Gedeon. In cases of such extremity, all are bound to assist the defenders of their country; and the refusal is punished as a sort of rebellion, 2 Kings xxv. 10. (Calmet)
Gill: Jdg 8:1 - -- And the men of Ephraim said unto him,.... To Gideon, when they brought him the heads of Oreb and Zeeb; taking this to be a proper opportunity to expos...
And the men of Ephraim said unto him,.... To Gideon, when they brought him the heads of Oreb and Zeeb; taking this to be a proper opportunity to expostulate and chide with him, when they had done so much service:
why hast thou served us thus; neglected them, overlooked them, which they took as a reproach to them, and as if he had bore them ill will:
that thou calledst us not when thou wentest to fight with the Midianites? that he did not call them first, when he called other tribes, as Asher, Zebulun, and Naphtali, when they were as near or nearer, and more nearly allied, being both the descendants of Joseph; and were the tribe that Jacob had given the preference to; and being of proud spirits they envied the glory that Gideon, who was of the tribe of Manasseh, had got; and by which they were jealous he would advance that tribe above theirs:
and they did chide with him sharply; used rough words and ill language, and threw out many keen and biting expressions, which discovered great anger and wrath, envy and ill will.
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Gill: Jdg 8:2 - -- And he said unto them,.... In a very mild and gentle manner, giving soft words, which turn away wrath:
what have I done in comparison of you? he an...
And he said unto them,.... In a very mild and gentle manner, giving soft words, which turn away wrath:
what have I done in comparison of you? he and his men, he signifies, had only blew trumpets, broke pitchers, and held torches; it was the Lord that did all, and set the Midianites one against another to slay each other; and in the pursuit as yet he had only picked up and slain some common soldiers, they had taken two princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb, and had brought their heads in triumph to him:
is not the gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim better than the vintage of Abiezer? the family of Abiezer, of which Gideon was; the meaning is, that whereas he began the fight, which may be called the vintage, and they had finished it, which was like gleaning; yet what they did last was much preferable to what was done by him at first; or the princes of Midian, which they had taken in the pursuit, and was like gleaning after a vintage, were equal, yea, superior to all the camp of Midian, or that part of it that had fallen into his hands. The Targum is,"are not the weak of the house of Ephraim better than the strong of the house of Abiezer?''
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Gill: Jdg 8:3 - -- God hath delivered into your hands the princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb,.... A high honour this conferred upon you, and with which you may be well con...
God hath delivered into your hands the princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb,.... A high honour this conferred upon you, and with which you may be well contented:
and what was I able to do in comparison of you? what he had done in defeating and pursuing the army of Midian, in slaying and taking any of them prisoners, was nothing in comparison of what they had done; nay, he signifies that he was not capable of doing anything worth mentioning without them; the glory of finishing this conquest was reserved for them:
then their anger was abated towards him when he had said that; it being what gratified their pride and was pleasing to them; and this conduct of Gideon showed him to be a wise and humble man.
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Gill: Jdg 8:4 - -- And Gideon came to Jordan, and passed over..... That river; See Gill on Jdg 7:25 he and three hundred men that were with him, at the defeat of the Mid...
And Gideon came to Jordan, and passed over..... That river; See Gill on Jdg 7:25 he and three hundred men that were with him, at the defeat of the Midianites in the valley of Jezreel; so that neither at that nor in the pursuit of them hitherto, had he lost one man:
faint, yet pursuing them: they were faint with being up all night, and continually blowing their trumpets; and had been upon the pursuit of their enemies ever since the defeat; and yet, though they were so faint, they did not leave off the pursuit, but were eager at it.
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Gill: Jdg 8:5 - -- And he said to the men of Succoth,.... The inhabitants of that place, the principal men of it, which lay in his way as he was pursuing the Midianites ...
And he said to the men of Succoth,.... The inhabitants of that place, the principal men of it, which lay in his way as he was pursuing the Midianites in their flight to their own country; for this was a city on the other side Jordan, and in the tribe of Gad and was inhabited by Israelites, Jos 13:27 it had its name from the booths or tents which Jacob erected here, Gen 33:17.
give, I pray you, loaves of bread unto the people that follow me; he did not desire them to leave their habitations and families, and join him in pursuing his and their enemies, or to furnish him and his men with arms; only to give them some provisions and that not dainties, but loaves of bread; or "morsels of bread" t, and broken pieces; and these he did not demand in an authoritative manner, as he might have done as a general, but in a way of entreaty; and the arguments he uses are:
for they be faint; for want of food, through the long fatigue from midnight hitherto, in the pursuit of the enemy, and which was not over:
and I am pursuing after Zebah and Zalmunna, kings of Midian; who had fled with 15,000 men, and were now, as Jarchi conjectures, destroying the countries of Reuben and Gad, and the half tribe of Manasseh; and now Gideon and his men were closely pursuing them, in hopes of taking them, and so complete the conquest, and thoroughly deliver Israel from their bondage on both sides Jordan, the benefits of which these men of Succoth would share with others; these were the arguments, and cogent ones they were, to persuade them to give his weary troops some refreshment.
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NET Notes: Jdg 8:2 Ephraim’s leftover grapes are better quality than Abiezer’s harvest. Gideon employs an agricultural metaphor. He argues that Ephraim’...
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NET Notes: Jdg 8:4 Heb “And Gideon arrived at the Jordan, crossing over, he and the three hundred men who were with him, exhausted and chasing.” The English ...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:1 And the men of Ephraim said unto him, ( a ) Why hast thou served us thus, that thou calledst us not, when thou wentest to fight with the Midianites? A...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:2 And he said unto them, What have I done now in comparison of ( b ) you? [Is] not the ( c ) gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim better than the vintage o...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:5 And he said unto the men of Succoth, Give, I pray you, ( d ) loaves of bread unto the people that follow me; for they [be] faint, and I am pursuing af...
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TSK Synopsis -> Jdg 8:1-35
TSK Synopsis: Jdg 8:1-35 - --1 Gideon pacifies the Ephraimites.4 Succoth and Penuel refuse to deliver Gideon's army.10 Zebah and Zalmunna are taken.13 Succoth and Penuel are destr...
MHCC -> Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:4-12
MHCC: Jdg 8:1-3 - --Those who will not attempt or venture any thing in the cause of God, will be the most ready to censure and quarrel with such as are of a more zealous ...
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MHCC: Jdg 8:4-12 - --Gideon's men were faint, yet pursuing; fatigued with what they had done, yet eager to do more against their enemies. It is many a time the true Christ...
Matthew Henry -> Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:4-17
Matthew Henry: Jdg 8:1-3 - -- No sooner were the Midianites, the common enemy, subdued, than, through the violence of some hot spirits, the children of Israel were ready to quarr...
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Matthew Henry: Jdg 8:4-17 - -- In these verses we have, I. Gideon, as a valiant general, pursuing the remaining Midianites, and bravely following his blow. A very great slaughter ...
Keil-Delitzsch -> Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:4-12
Keil-Delitzsch: Jdg 8:1-3 - --
When the Ephraimites met with Gideon, after they had smitten the Midianites at Oreb and Zeeb, and were pursuing them farther, they said to him, " Wh...
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Keil-Delitzsch: Jdg 8:4-12 - --
Pursuit and Complete Overthrow of the Midianites. - That the Midianites whom God had delivered into his hand might be utterly destroyed, Gideon purs...
Constable -> Jdg 3:7--17:1; Jdg 6:1--10:6; Jdg 6:1--8:33; Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:1--16:31; Jdg 8:1--9:57; Jdg 8:4-12
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Constable: Jdg 6:1--10:6 - --D. The fourth apostasy 6:1-10:5
The writer of Judges structured this book so the story of Gideon would b...
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Constable: Jdg 6:1--8:33 - --1. The story of Gideon 6:1-8:32
Tanner also pointed out that the Gideon narrative consists of fi...
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Constable: Jdg 8:1-3 - --The resentment of the Ephraimites 8:1-3
Gideon had not invited the men of Ephrai...
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Constable: Jdg 8:1--16:31 - --B. Present Failures vv. 8-16
Jude next expounded the errors of the false teachers in his day to warn his...
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Constable: Jdg 8:1--9:57 - --1. The nature of the error vv. 8-9
v. 8 Jude now pinpointed the three errors he had just illustrated and accused the false teachers of all three: lust...
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