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Anticipation of Death
17:10 “But turn, all of you, and come now! I will not find a wise man among you. 17:11 My days have passed, my plans are shattered, even the desires of my heart. 17:12 These men change night into day; they say, ‘The light is near in the face of darkness.’ 17:13 If I hope for the grave to be my home, if I spread out my bed in darkness, 17:14 If I cry to corruption, ‘You are my father,’ and to the worm, ‘My Mother,’ or ‘My sister,’ 17:15 where then is my hope? And my hope, who sees it? 17:16 Will it go down to the barred gates of death? Will we descend together into the dust?”
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Wesley: Job 17:10 - -- And renew the debate, as I see you are resolved to do.

And renew the debate, as I see you are resolved to do.

Wesley: Job 17:11 - -- The days of my life. I am a dying man, and therefore the hopes you give me of the bettering of my condition, are vain.

The days of my life. I am a dying man, and therefore the hopes you give me of the bettering of my condition, are vain.

Wesley: Job 17:11 - -- Which I had in my prosperous days, concerning myself and children.

Which I had in my prosperous days, concerning myself and children.

Wesley: Job 17:12 - -- My thoughts so incessantly pursue and disturb me, that I can no more sleep in the night, than in the day.

My thoughts so incessantly pursue and disturb me, that I can no more sleep in the night, than in the day.

Wesley: Job 17:12 - -- The day - light, which often gives some comfort to men in misery, seems to be gone as soon as it is begun.

The day - light, which often gives some comfort to men in misery, seems to be gone as soon as it is begun.

Wesley: Job 17:12 - -- Because of my grievous pains and torments which follow me by day as well as by night.

Because of my grievous pains and torments which follow me by day as well as by night.

Wesley: Job 17:13 - -- For deliverance, I should be disappointed; for I am upon the borders of the grave, I expect no rest but in the dark grave, for which therefore I prepa...

For deliverance, I should be disappointed; for I am upon the borders of the grave, I expect no rest but in the dark grave, for which therefore I prepare myself. I endeavour to make it easy, by keeping my conscience pure, by seeing Christ lying in this bed, (so turning it into a bed of spices) and by looking beyond it to the resurrection.

Wesley: Job 17:14 - -- Heb. to the pit of corruption, the grave.

Heb. to the pit of corruption, the grave.

Wesley: Job 17:14 - -- I am near a - kin to thee, and thou wilt receive and keep me in thy house, as parents do their children.

I am near a - kin to thee, and thou wilt receive and keep me in thy house, as parents do their children.

Wesley: Job 17:15 - -- The happiness you would have me expect.

The happiness you would have me expect.

Wesley: Job 17:16 - -- My hopes, of which he spake in the singular number, Job 17:15, which he here changes into the plural, as is usual in these poetical books.

My hopes, of which he spake in the singular number, Job 17:15, which he here changes into the plural, as is usual in these poetical books.

Wesley: Job 17:16 - -- Into the innermost parts of the pit: my hopes are dying, and will be buried in my grave. We must shortly be in the dust, under the bars of the pit, he...

Into the innermost parts of the pit: my hopes are dying, and will be buried in my grave. We must shortly be in the dust, under the bars of the pit, held fast there, 'till the general resurrection. All good men, if they cannot agree now will there rest together. Let the foresight of this cool the heat of all contenders, and moderate the disputers of this world.

JFB: Job 17:10 - -- If you have anything to advance really wise, though I doubt it, recommence your speech. For as yet I cannot find one wise man among you all.

If you have anything to advance really wise, though I doubt it, recommence your speech. For as yet I cannot find one wise man among you all.

JFB: Job 17:11 - -- Only do not vainly speak of the restoration of health to me; for "my days are past."

Only do not vainly speak of the restoration of health to me; for "my days are past."

JFB: Job 17:11 - -- As the threads of the web cut off from the loom (Isa 38:12).

As the threads of the web cut off from the loom (Isa 38:12).

JFB: Job 17:11 - -- Literally, "possessions," that is, all the feelings and fair hopes which my heart once nourished. These belong to the heart, as "purposes" to the unde...

Literally, "possessions," that is, all the feelings and fair hopes which my heart once nourished. These belong to the heart, as "purposes" to the understanding; the two together here describe the entire inner man.

JFB: Job 17:12 - -- Namely, "my friends."

Namely, "my friends."

JFB: Job 17:12 - -- That is, would try to persuade me of the change of my misery into joy, which is impossible [UMBREIT] (Job 11:17); (but) the light of prosperity (could...

That is, would try to persuade me of the change of my misery into joy, which is impossible [UMBREIT] (Job 11:17); (but) the light of prosperity (could it be enjoyed) would be short because of the darkness of adversity. Or better for "short," the Hebrew "near"; "and the light of new prosperity should be near in the face of (before) the darkness of death"; that is, they would persuade me that light is near, even though darkness approaches.

JFB: Job 17:13 - -- Rather, "if I wait for this grave (Sheol, or the unseen world) as my house, and make my bed in the darkness (Job 17:14), and say to corruption," rathe...

Rather, "if I wait for this grave (Sheol, or the unseen world) as my house, and make my bed in the darkness (Job 17:14), and say to corruption," rather, "to the pit" or "grave," &c. (Job 17:15). Where then is my hope? [UMBREIT]. The apodosis is at Job 17:15.

JFB: Job 17:14 - -- Expressing most intimate connection (Pro 7:4). His diseased state made him closely akin to the grave and worm.

Expressing most intimate connection (Pro 7:4). His diseased state made him closely akin to the grave and worm.

JFB: Job 17:15 - -- Who shall see it fulfilled? namely, the "hope" (Job 11:18) which they held out to him of restoration.

Who shall see it fulfilled? namely, the "hope" (Job 11:18) which they held out to him of restoration.

JFB: Job 17:16 - -- Namely, my hopes shall be buried with me.

Namely, my hopes shall be buried with me.

JFB: Job 17:16 - -- (Isa 38:10). Rather, the wastes or solitudes of the pit (sheol, the unseen world).

(Isa 38:10). Rather, the wastes or solitudes of the pit (sheol, the unseen world).

JFB: Job 17:16 - -- The rest of me and my hope is in, &c. Both expire together. The word "rest" implies that man's ceaseless hopes only rob him of rest.

The rest of me and my hope is in, &c. Both expire together. The word "rest" implies that man's ceaseless hopes only rob him of rest.

Clarke: Job 17:10 - -- But as for you all - Ye are too proud, and too full of self-importance, to profit by what ye see. Return - enter into yourselves, consider your ways...

But as for you all - Ye are too proud, and too full of self-importance, to profit by what ye see. Return - enter into yourselves, consider your ways, go again to school, get back to your own houses, and endeavor to acquire humility and knowledge; for there is not one wise man among you.

Clarke: Job 17:11 - -- My days are past - Job seems to relapse here into his former state of gloom. These transitions are very frequent in this poem; and they strongly mar...

My days are past - Job seems to relapse here into his former state of gloom. These transitions are very frequent in this poem; and they strongly mark the struggle of piety and resignation with continued affliction, violent temptation, and gloomy providences

Clarke: Job 17:11 - -- The thoughts of my heart - All my purposes are interrupted; and all my schemes and plans, in relation to myself and family, are torn asunder, destro...

The thoughts of my heart - All my purposes are interrupted; and all my schemes and plans, in relation to myself and family, are torn asunder, destroyed, and dissipated.

Clarke: Job 17:12 - -- They change the night into day - These purposes and thoughts are so very gloomy, that they change day into night

They change the night into day - These purposes and thoughts are so very gloomy, that they change day into night

Clarke: Job 17:12 - -- The light is short because of darkness - אור קרוב מפני חשך or karob mippeney choshek , "The light is near from the face of darkness."...

The light is short because of darkness - אור קרוב מפני חשך or karob mippeney choshek , "The light is near from the face of darkness."I have scarcely any light: what is called light is so near akin to darkness, that it is scarcely severed from it. There is either no light, or merely such as is sufficient to render darkness visible. A fine picture of the state of his mind - he was generally in darkness; but had occasional gleams of hope.

Clarke: Job 17:13 - -- The grave is mine house - Let my life be long or short, the grave at last will be my home. I expect soon to lie down in darkness - there is my end: ...

The grave is mine house - Let my life be long or short, the grave at last will be my home. I expect soon to lie down in darkness - there is my end: I cannot reasonably hope for any thing else.

Clarke: Job 17:14 - -- I have said to corruption - I came from a corrupted stock, and I must go to corruption again. The Hebrew might be thus rendered: To the ditch I have...

I have said to corruption - I came from a corrupted stock, and I must go to corruption again. The Hebrew might be thus rendered: To the ditch I have called, Thou art my father. To the worm, Thou art my mother and my sister. I am in the nearest state of affinity to dissolution and corruption: I may well call them my nearest relations, as I shall soon be blended with them.

Clarke: Job 17:15 - -- And where is now my hope? - In the circumstances in which I am found, of what use can hope be? Were I to form the expectation of future good, who co...

And where is now my hope? - In the circumstances in which I am found, of what use can hope be? Were I to form the expectation of future good, who could ever see it realized? Is it then any wonder that I should complain and bemoan my wretched lot?

Clarke: Job 17:16 - -- They shall go down to the bars of the pit - All that I have must descend into the depths of the grave. Thither are we all going; and there alone can...

They shall go down to the bars of the pit - All that I have must descend into the depths of the grave. Thither are we all going; and there alone can I rest. בדי baddey , which we translate bars, signifies also branches, distended limbs, or claws, and may here refer either to a personification of the grave, a monster who seizes on human bodies, and keeps them fast in his deadly gripe; or to the different branching-off-alleys in subterranean cemeteries, or catacombs, in which niches are made for the reception of different bodies

Clarke: Job 17:16 - -- When our rest together is in the dust - That is, according to some critics, My hope and myself shall descend together into the grave. It shall never...

When our rest together is in the dust - That is, according to some critics, My hope and myself shall descend together into the grave. It shall never be realized, for the time of my departure is at hand

In those times what deep shades hung on the state of man after death, and on every thing pertaining to the eternal world! Perplexity and uncertainty were the consequences; and a corresponding gloom often dwelt on the minds of even the best of the Old Testament believers. Job’ s friends, though learned in all the wisdom of the Arabians, connected with the advantages derivable from the Mosaic writings, and perhaps those of the earlier prophets, had little clear or distinct in their minds relative to all subjects post mortem, or of the invisible world. Job himself, though sometimes strongly confident, is often harassed with doubts and fears upon the subject, insomuch that his sayings and experience often appear contradictory. Perhaps it could not be otherwise; the true light was not then come: Jesus alone brought life and immortality to light by his Gospel.

TSK: Job 17:10 - -- do ye return : Job 6:29; Mal 3:18 for I : Job 17:4, Job 15:9, Job 32:9, Job 42:7; 1Co 1:20, 1Co 6:5

TSK: Job 17:11 - -- My days : Job 7:6, Job 9:25, Job 9:26; Isa 38:10 purposes : Pro 16:9, Pro 19:21; Ecc 9:10; Isa 8:10; Lam 3:37; Rom 1:13; 2Co 1:15-17; Jam 4:13-15 thou...

My days : Job 7:6, Job 9:25, Job 9:26; Isa 38:10

purposes : Pro 16:9, Pro 19:21; Ecc 9:10; Isa 8:10; Lam 3:37; Rom 1:13; 2Co 1:15-17; Jam 4:13-15

thoughts : Heb. possessions

TSK: Job 17:12 - -- change : Job 7:3, Job 7:4, Job 7:13, Job 7:14, Job 24:14-16; Deu 28:67 short : Heb. near

change : Job 7:3, Job 7:4, Job 7:13, Job 7:14, Job 24:14-16; Deu 28:67

short : Heb. near

TSK: Job 17:13 - -- If I wait : Job 14:14; Psa 27:14; Lam 3:25, Lam 3:26 the grave : Job 17:1, Job 10:21, Job 10:22, Job 30:23 I have made : Psa 139:8; Isa 57:2

TSK: Job 17:14 - -- said : Heb. cried, or, called corruption : Job 21:32, Job 21:33; Psa 16:10, Psa 49:9; Act 2:27-31, Act 13:34-37; 1Co 15:42, 1Co 15:53, 1Co 15:54 to th...

said : Heb. cried, or, called

corruption : Job 21:32, Job 21:33; Psa 16:10, Psa 49:9; Act 2:27-31, Act 13:34-37; 1Co 15:42, 1Co 15:53, 1Co 15:54

to the worm : Job 19:26, Job 24:20; Isa 14:11

TSK: Job 17:15 - -- my hope : Job 4:6, Job 6:11, Job 13:15, Job 19:10

TSK: Job 17:16 - -- the bars of the pit : Job 18:13, Job 18:14, Job 33:18-28; Psa 88:4-8, Psa 143:7; Isa 38:17, Isa 38:18; Jon 2:6 rest : Job 3:17-19; Eze 37:11; 2Co 1:9

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Barnes: Job 17:10 - -- But as for you all, do you return - This may mean, either, "return to the debate;"or, "return from your unjust and uncharitable opinion concern...

But as for you all, do you return - This may mean, either, "return to the debate;"or, "return from your unjust and uncharitable opinion concerning me."The former seems to accord best with the scope of the passage. Tindal renders it, "Get you hence."Dr. Good, "Get ye hence, and begone, I pray."Wemyss, "Repeat your discourses as often as you may, I do not find a wise man among you."It is doubtful, however, whether the Hebrew will bear this construction.

For I cannot find one wise man among you - Perhaps the idea here is, "I have not yet found one wise man among you, and you are invited, therefore, to renew the argument. Hitherto you have said nothing that indicates wisdom. Try again, and see if you can say anything now that shall deserve attention."If this is the meaning, it shows that Job was willing to hear all that they had to say, and to give them credit for wisdom, if they ever evinced any.

Barnes: Job 17:11 - -- My days are past - " I am about to die."Job relapses again into sadness - as he often does. A sense of his miserable condition comes over him li...

My days are past - " I am about to die."Job relapses again into sadness - as he often does. A sense of his miserable condition comes over him like a cloud, and he feels that he must die.

My purposes are broken off - All my plans fail, and my schemes of life come to an end. No matter what they could say now, it was all over with him, and he must die; compare Isa 38:12 :

"My habitation is taken away, and is removed from me

Like a shepherd’ s tent;

My life is cut off as by a weaver

Who severeth the web from the loom;

Between the morning and the night thou wilt make an end of me."

Even the thoughts of my heart - Margin, possessions. Noyes, "treasures."Dr. Good, "resolves."Dr. Stock, "the tenants of my heart."Vulgate, "torquen’ es cor meum."Septuagint, τὰ ἄρθρα τῆς καρδίας μου ta arthra tēs kardias mou - the strings of my heart. The Hebrew word ( מורשׁ môrâsh ) means properly possession (from ירשׁ yârash , to inherit); and the word here means the dear possessions of his heart; his cherished plans and schemes; the delights of his soul - the purposes which he had hoped to accomplish. All these were now to be broken on by death. This is to man one of the most trying things in death. All his plans must be arrested. His projects of ambition and gain, of pleasure and of fame, of professional eminence and of learning, all are arrested midway. The farmer is compelled to leave his plow in the furrow; the mechanic, his work unfinished; the lawyer, his brief half prepared; the student, his books lying open; the man who is building a palace, leaves it incomplete; and he who is seeking a crown, is taken away when it seemed just within his grasp. How many unfinished plans are caused by death every day! How many unfinished books, sermons, houses, does it make! How many schemes of wickedness and of benevolence, of fraud and of kindness, of gain and of mercy, are daily broken in upon by death! Soon, reader, all your plans and mine will be ended - mine, perhaps, before these lines meet your eye; yours soon afterward. God grant that our purposes of life may be such that we shall be willing to have them broken in upon - all so subordinate to the GREAT PLAN of being prepared for heaven, that we may cheerfully surrender them at any moment, at the call of the Master summoning us into his awful presence!

Barnes: Job 17:12 - -- They change - The word "they"in this place, some understand as referring to his friends; others, to his thoughts. Rosenmuller supposes it is to...

They change - The word "they"in this place, some understand as referring to his friends; others, to his thoughts. Rosenmuller supposes it is to be taken impersonally, and that the meaning is, "night is become day to me."Wemyss translates it, "night is assigned me for day."So Dr. Good renders it. The meaning may be, that the night was to him as the day. He had no rest. The period when he had formerly sought repose, was now made like the day, and all was alike gloom and sadness.

The light is short because of darkness - Margin, near. The meaning is, probably, "even the day has lost its usual brilliancy and cheerfulness, and has become gloomy and sad. It seems to be like night. Neither night nor day is natural to me; the one is restless and full of cares like the usual employments of day, and the other is gloomy, or almost night, where there is no comfort and peace. Day brings to me none of its usual enjoyments. It is short, gloomy, sad, and hastens away, and a distressing and restless night soon comes on."

Barnes: Job 17:13 - -- If I wait - Or more accurately, "truly I expect that the grave will be my home."The word rendered "if"( אם 'ı̂m ) is often used in suc...

If I wait - Or more accurately, "truly I expect that the grave will be my home."The word rendered "if"( אם 'ı̂m ) is often used in such a sense. The meaning is, "I look certainly to the grave as my home. I have made up my mind to it, and have no other expectation."

The grave - Hebrew שׁאול she 'ôl . It may mean here either the grave, or the region of departed spirits, to which he expected soon to descend.

Mine house - My home; my permanent abode.

I have made my bed - I am certain of making my bed there. I shall soon lie down there.

In the darkness - In the grave, or in the dark world to which it leads; see the notes at Job 10:21-22.

Barnes: Job 17:14 - -- I have said - Margin, cried, or called. The sense is, "I say,"or "I thus address the grave." To corruption - The word used here ( שׁחת...

I have said - Margin, cried, or called. The sense is, "I say,"or "I thus address the grave."

To corruption - The word used here ( שׁחת shachath ) means properly a pit, or pit-fall, Psa 7:15; Psa 9:15; a cistern, or a ditch, Job 9:31; or the sepulchre, or grave, Psa 30:9; Job 33:18, Job 33:30. The Septuagint renders it here by θανάτον thanaton - death. Jerome (Vulgate), putredini dixi . According to Gesenius (Lex), the word never has the sense of corruption. Schultens, however, Rosenmuller, and others, understand it in the sense of corruption or putrefaction. This accords, certainly, with the other hemistich, and better constitutes a parallelism with the "worm"than the word "grave"would. It seems probable that this is the sense here; and if the proper meaning of the word is a pit, or the grave, it here denotes the grave, as containing a dead and moulderling body.

Thou art my father - " I am nearly allied to it. I sustain to it a relation like that of a child to a father."The idea seems to be that of family likeness; and the object is to present the most striking and impressive view of his sad and sorrowful condition. He was so diseased, so wretched, so full of sores and of corruption (see Job 7:5), that he might be said to be the child of one mouldering in the grave, and was kindred to a family in the tomb!

To the worm - The worm that feeds upon the dead. He belonged to that sad family where the body was putrifying, and where it was covered with worms; see the notes at Isa 14:11.

My mother - I am so nearly allied to the worms, that the connection may be compared to that between a mother and her son.

And my sister - " The sister here is mentioned rather than the brother, because the noun rendered worm in the Hebrew, is in the feminine gender."Rosenmuller. The sense of the whole is, that Job felt that he belonged to the grave. He was destined to corruption. He was soon to lie down with the dead. His acquaintance and kindred were there. So corrupt was his body, so afflicted and diseased, that he seemed to belong to the family of the putrifying, and of those covered with worms! What an impressive description; and yet how true is it of all! The most vigorous frame, the most beautiful and graceful form, the most brilliant complexion, has a near relationship to the worm, and will soon belong to the mouldering family beneath the ground! Christian reader! such are you; such am I. Well, let it be so. Let us not repine. Be the grave our home; be the mouldering people there our parents, and brothers, and sisters. Be our alliance with the worms. There is a brighter scene beyond - a world where we shall be kindred with the angels, and ranked among the sons of God. In that world we shall be clothed with immortal youth, and shall know corruption no more. Then our eyes will shine with undiminished brilliancy forever; our cheeks glow with immortal health; our hearts beat with the pulsations of eternal life. Then our hands shall be feeble and our knees totter with disease or age no more; and then the current of health and joy shall flow on through our veins forever and eye! Allied now to worms we are, but we are allied to the angels too; the grave is to be our home, but so also is heaven; the worm is our brother, but so also is the Son of God! Such is man; such are his prospects here, such his hopes and destiny in the world to come. He dies here, but he lives in glory and honor hereafter forever.

Shall man, O God of light and life,

For ever moulder in the grave?

Canst thou forget thy glorious work,

Thy promise and thy power to save?

Shall life revisit dying worms,

And spread the joyful insects’ wing;

And O shall man awake no more,

To see thy face, thy name to sing?

Faith sees the bright, eternal doors,

Unfold to make her children way;

They shall be clothed with endless life,

And shine in everlasting day.

The trump shall sound, the dead shall wake,

From the cold tomb the slumberers spring;

Through heaven with joy these myriads rise,

And hail their Savior and their King.

Dr. Dwight

Barnes: Job 17:15 - -- And where is now my hope? - What hope have I of life? What possibility is there of my escape from death? Who shall see it? - That is, who...

And where is now my hope? - What hope have I of life? What possibility is there of my escape from death?

Who shall see it? - That is, who will see any hopes that I may now cherish fulfilled. If I cherish any, they will be disappointed, and no one will see them accomplished.

Barnes: Job 17:16 - -- They shall go down - That is, my hopes shall go down. All the expectations that I have cherished of life and happiness, will descend there with...

They shall go down - That is, my hopes shall go down. All the expectations that I have cherished of life and happiness, will descend there with me. We have a similar expression when we say, that a man "has buried his hopes in the grave,"when he loses an only son.

To the bars of the pit - " Bars of Sheol"- שׁאול בד bad she 'ôl . Vulgate, "Profoundest deep."Septuagint, εἰς ᾅδην eis hadēn - to Hades. Sheol, or Hades, was supposed to be under the earth. Its entrance was by the grave as a gate that led to it. It was protected by bars - as prisons are - so that those who entered there could not escape; see the notes at Isa 14:9. It was a dark, gloomy dwelling, far away from light, and from the comforts which people enjoy in this life; see Job 10:21-22. To that dark world Job expected soon to descend; and though he did not regard that as properly a place of punishment, yet it was not a place of positive joy. It was a gloomy and wretched world - the land of darkness and of the shadow of death; and he looked to the certainty of going there not with joy, but with anguish and distress of heart. Had Job been favored with the clear and elevated views of heaven which we have in the Christian revelation, death to him would have lost its gloom.

We wonder, often, that so good a man expressed such a dread of death, and that he did not look more calmly into the future world. But to do him justice, we should place ourselves in his situation. We should lay aside all that is cheerful and glad in the views of heaven which Christianity has given us. We should look upon the future world as the shadow of death; a land of gloom and spectres; a place beneath the ground - dark, chilly, repulsive; and we shall cease to wonder at the expressions of even so good a man at the prospect of death. When we look at him, we should remember with thankfulness the different views which we have of the future world, and the source to which we owe them. To us, if we are pious in any measure as Job was, death is the avenue, not to a world of gloom, but to a world of light and glory. It opens into heaven. There is no gloom, no darkness, no sorrow. There all are happy; and there all that is mysterious in this life is made plain - all that is sad is succeeded by eternal joy. These views we owe to that gospel which has brought life and immortality to light; and when we think of death and the future world, when from the midst of woes and sorrows we are compelled to look out on eternity, let us rejoice that we are not constrained to look forward with the sad forebodings of the Sage of Uz, but that we may think of the grave cheered by the strong consolations of Christian hope of the glorious resurrection.

When our rest together is in the dust - The rest of me and my hopes. My hopes and myself will expire together.

Poole: Job 17:10 - -- Return, and come now i.e. come now again, (as this phrase is oft used,) and renew the debate, as I see you are prepared and resolved to do, and I am ...

Return, and come now i.e. come now again, (as this phrase is oft used,) and renew the debate, as I see you are prepared and resolved to do, and I am ready to receive you. Or, return into yourselves, and consider my cause again; peradventure your second thoughts may be wiser.

One wise man to wit, in this matter. None of you speak like wise or good men, but like rash and heady persons; you censure me as a rotten hypocrite, and misjudge of God’ s ways, and condemn the generation of God’ s children upon frivolous grounds.

Poole: Job 17:11 - -- My days the days of my life. I am a lost and dying man, and therefore the hopes you give me of the bettering of my condition are vain and groundless....

My days the days of my life. I am a lost and dying man, and therefore the hopes you give me of the bettering of my condition are vain and groundless.

My purposes or, my designs , or

thoughts to wit, which I had in my prosperous days, concerning myself and children, and the continuance of my happiness.

The thoughts of my heart Heb. the possessions of my heart , i.e. those thoughts which in a great measure possessed my heart, which were most natural, and familiar, and delightful to me. All my thoughts, and designs, and hopes are disappointed, and come to nothing.

Poole: Job 17:12 - -- They either, 1. My friends. Or, 2. My sorrows, of which he is here speaking. Or, 3. My thoughts, last mentioned. Possibly these words may be joine...

They either,

1. My friends. Or,

2. My sorrows, of which he is here speaking. Or,

3. My thoughts, last mentioned. Possibly these words may be joined with them thus, The thoughts of my heart change the night into day .

Change the night into day they do so incessantly pursue and disturb me, that I can no more rest and sleep in the dark and silent nights, than in the midst of the light and tumults of the day. Or,

they change the day into night Heb. they put the night for or instead of (as the Hebrew lamed is elsewhere used) the day, i.e. they make the day as sad and dark as the night to me. So it seems best to agree with the following branch of the verse.

The light is short i.e. the day-light, which ofttimes gives some little comfort and refreshment to men in misery, seems to be gone and fled as soon as it is begun.

Because of darkness i.e. because of my grievous pains and torments, which follow me by day as well as by night.

Poole: Job 17:13 - -- If I wait if I should give way to those hopes of my deliverance and restoration which you suggest to me. The grave is mine house: I should be sadly...

If I wait if I should give way to those hopes of my deliverance and restoration which you suggest to me.

The grave is mine house: I should be sadly disappointed; for I am upon the borders of the grave, which is the only house appointed for me, instead of that goodly house which you promise to me here upon condition of my repentance.

I have made my bed in darkness I expect no other rest but in the dark grave, for which therefore I prepare myself.

Poole: Job 17:14 - -- To corruption Heb. to the pit of corruption, the grave. Thou art my father I am near akin to time, as being taken out of thee; and thou wilt rece...

To corruption Heb. to the pit of corruption, the grave.

Thou art my father I am near akin to time, as being taken out of thee; and thou wilt receive and embrace me, and keep me in thy house, as parents do their children.

Thou art my mother, and my sister because of the same original, and the most strict and intimate union and conjunction between me and the worms.

Poole: Job 17:15 - -- Where is now my hope? and what then is become of that hope which you advised me to entertain? My hope i.e. the fulfilling of my hope, or the happin...

Where is now my hope? and what then is become of that hope which you advised me to entertain?

My hope i.e. the fulfilling of my hope, or the happiness which you would have me expect; hope being put for the thing hoped for, as Pro 13:12 1Co 9:10 .

Who shall see it? no man shall see it: it shall never be.

Poole: Job 17:16 - -- They either, 1. They that would see my hope, they must go into the grave to behold it. Or rather, 2. My hopes; of which he spoke in the singular nu...

They either,

1. They that would see my hope, they must go into the grave to behold it. Or rather,

2. My hopes; of which he spoke in the singular number, Job 17:15 , which he here changeth into the plural, as is very usual in these poetical books.

To the bars of the pit i.e. into the closest and innermost parts of the pit: my hopes are dying, and will be buried in my grave.

When our rest together is in the dust: so the sense is, when those spectators, together with myself, shall be in our graves. Heb. seeing that (as this Hebrew particle im oft signifies; or, certainly , as it is used Num 17:13 Job 6:13 , and elsewhere) our rest shall be together in the dust , i.e. I and my hopes shall be buried together.

Haydock: Job 17:10 - -- Man. He offers to dispute with them again, and convince them of folly; (Menochius) or rather he here concludes his address to them, and invites them...

Man. He offers to dispute with them again, and convince them of folly; (Menochius) or rather he here concludes his address to them, and invites them to change their preposterous judgments.

Haydock: Job 17:11 - -- Thoughts, or fine projects of living happy a long time. (Calmet)

Thoughts, or fine projects of living happy a long time. (Calmet)

Haydock: Job 17:12 - -- Day. Sleep flees from me. (Menochius) --- All is in confusion. --- After. Hebrew and Septuagint, "light is near in the face of darkness." (Hay...

Day. Sleep flees from me. (Menochius) ---

All is in confusion. ---

After. Hebrew and Septuagint, "light is near in the face of darkness." (Haydock) ---

I still hope for relief.

Haydock: Job 17:13 - -- Hell. Seol. The region of the dead. (Challoner) --- Protestants, "grave." (Haydock) --- But this text proves that there was a place of rest cal...

Hell. Seol. The region of the dead. (Challoner) ---

Protestants, "grave." (Haydock) ---

But this text proves that there was a place of rest called hell. (Worthington) ---

He speaks here chiefly of the body. (Calmet) ---

Mors ultima linea rerum est. (Horace) ---

"Death is the end of all." (Haydock) ---

If I refrain from complaining, still I cannot expect to be restored to health.

Haydock: Job 17:14 - -- Sister. I am nearly related to such things, and ready to drop into the grave, as my flesh is already devoured by worms. (Menochius)

Sister. I am nearly related to such things, and ready to drop into the grave, as my flesh is already devoured by worms. (Menochius)

Haydock: Job 17:15 - -- Who. Hebrew, "who shall see my hope?" I wish all might witness it. (Haydock) --- But I expect no redress on this side of the grave. (Calmet)

Who. Hebrew, "who shall see my hope?" I wish all might witness it. (Haydock) ---

But I expect no redress on this side of the grave. (Calmet)

Haydock: Job 17:16 - -- Deepest pit. Literally hell. (Challoner) --- Hebrew, "We shall go down to the bars of the pit, when we shall rest together in the dust." My hop...

Deepest pit. Literally hell. (Challoner) ---

Hebrew, "We shall go down to the bars of the pit, when we shall rest together in the dust." My hope may be frustrated by death; (Haydock) or you, my friends, must also go to the house of eternity. (Calmet)

Gill: Job 17:10 - -- But as for you all, do ye return, and come now,.... This is an address to his three friends, all and everyone of them, who he perceived were nettled w...

But as for you all, do ye return, and come now,.... This is an address to his three friends, all and everyone of them, who he perceived were nettled with his reply, and were either departing, or preparing for a rejoinder; and being conscious of his innocence, and satisfied of the goodness of his cause, and having nothing to fear from them, boldly challenges them to go on with the dispute; for though they were three to one, he was a match for them all; or else he calls upon them to turn and repent of what they had said to him, to relinquish the bad notions and ill opinion they had of him, and to retract their hard speeches and unjust censures, and return to a friendly and amicable conversation; or however, that they would come and sit down quietly, and patiently hear what he had further to say to them for their information and instruction, which they stood in great need of:

for I cannot find one wise man among you; that took his case right, was capable of judging of it, and speaking pertinently to it, and of administering comfort to him in it; they were physicians, but not skilful ones; comforters, but miserable ones; had not the tongue of the learned, to speak a word in season; disputants, but wranglers, and knew not where the pinch of the controversy lay; and their arguments were weak and worthless, and their judgment and sense of things not deserving any regard, see 1Co 6:5.

Gill: Job 17:11 - -- My days are past,.... Or "passed away", or "passed over" w; not that they passed over the time fixed and appointed by God, for there is no passing the...

My days are past,.... Or "passed away", or "passed over" w; not that they passed over the time fixed and appointed by God, for there is no passing the bound settled by him, Job 14:5; but either the common term of man's life was passed with Job, or he speaks of things in his own apprehension; he imagined his death was so near, that he had not a day longer to live; his days, as he before says, were extinct, were at an end, he should never enjoy another day; and therefore it was folly to flatter him with a promise of long life, or encourage him to expect it; which he may mention as a proof of there being not a wise man among them, since they all suggested this in case of repentance; or his meaning is, that his good days, or days of goodness, as Jarchi interprets it, were past; his days of prosperity were at an end, and evil days were come upon him, in which he had no pleasure; nor had he any reason to believe it would be otherwise with him:

my purposes are broken off; Job doubtless had formed in his mind great designs of good things, natural, civil; and religious, concerning the enlargement of his temporal estate, the settlement of his children in the world, making provision for the poor, supporting and enlarging the interest of true religion, the reformation of his Heathenish neighbours, and the spread of divine truths among them; but now they were all frustrated, he was not in a capacity of carrying them into execution, and was obliged to drop them, and think no more of them, nor was there with him any prospect of ever renewing them; they were "rooted up" x, or plucked up, as some render the word, so that there was no likelihood of their ever rising up again, and coming to any effect:

even the thoughts of my heart; or "the possessions" y of it, as the thoughts are; they are the things of a man, which especially belong to him; they are the inheritance of his mind, what none have a right unto, and a claim upon, but himself, nor can any know but himself, and to whom he discovers them: now the thread of these is broken off at death, they then cease; not that the mind or soul of man ceases to be, or ceases to be a thinking being, it still thinks; but only its thoughts are not employed about the same things in a future state, or in the state after death, as in this, see Psa 146:4.

Gill: Job 17:12 - -- They change the night into day,.... Meaning either his friends, by what they had said unto him, or the thoughts of his heart, which comes to the same ...

They change the night into day,.... Meaning either his friends, by what they had said unto him, or the thoughts of his heart, which comes to the same sense; these being in the night season employed about what had been said to him in the day, insomuch that he could get no sleep, the night was as broad day unto him; or they put the day before the night, contrary to the order of nature, as Noldius z observes, whereas the night is before the day, Gen 1:5; his friends promising him long days, and an age clearer than noon day, as bright as the morning, Job 11:17; when the night of death was coming on, and he was hastening to the dark and silent grave:

the light is short because of darkness; the morning light, or light of the day, when that comes continues but for a short time, because of the darkness of the evening, which quickly follows; or because of the darkness of fiction, which fills it up, and makes it uncomfortable; or the light of prosperity, could it be enjoyed, is but short, because of the darkness of adversity; or "the light is near" a, as in the original text; though Jarchi interprets the word "short" as we do; Noldius renders it, "the light is rather nearer than darkness" b; after the night has been spent without sleep, the morning light is nearer than darkness; that may soon be expected, and so an end to sleep and rest.

Gill: Job 17:13 - -- If I wait, the grave is mine house,.... Not that Job put an "if" upon, or made a doubt of waiting upon God in private or public; or of waiting for hi...

If I wait, the grave is mine house,.... Not that Job put an "if" upon, or made a doubt of waiting upon God in private or public; or of waiting for him, his gracious appearances to him, answers of prayer, performance of promises, and deliverance out of trouble; and especially of waiting his appointed time till his change came, and hoping and expecting eternal life and happiness; all which he determined to do, and did, see Job 13:15; but he says this with respect to the advice of his friends, which should it be taken, the issue of would be no other than what he here suggests; they had intimated, that if he repented and reformed, he might hope for and expect a peaceable tabernacle, and a prosperous habitation, a line house, and affluent circumstances, Job 5:24. Now, says he, should I listen to this, and endeavour to cherish some hope and expectation of small things, and put myself in a waiting posture for them, alas! how soon would it be over, for what other house can I rationally expect but the grave? and this is what I have upon; I think of no other house than that, which is man's long home, the house appointed for all living; there I shall dwell, and make my abode until the morning of the resurrection, and I look for no other; and if I should, I am well assured! should be disappointed:

I have made my bed in the darkness: in the dark grave, where the light of the body is extinct, and where the light of the sun comes not; in houses there are various apartments, some for work and business, as is the shop; others for eating and drinking, as the dining room; and others for sleep and rest, as the bedchamber; now in the house of the grave there is no mention of any but the latter; for there is no work and device in the grave, nor eating and drinking there; but it is a bed where the weary saint lies down and rests upon from all his toil and labour, until he awakes at the resurrection: now Job had settled the matter with himself, he had laid it out in his own mind, and taken a kind of pleasure in the prospect of it; that he had got a house to move into, when he was dislodged from the earthly house of his tabernacle, and where he had made himself, in his own thought, an easy bed, on which he should lay his weary limbs, and take his sleep and rest, until the heavens be no more.

Gill: Job 17:14 - -- I have said to corruption, thou art my father,.... Not to the corruptible seed, of which he was begotten; nor to the corruption or purulent matter of...

I have said to corruption, thou art my father,.... Not to the corruptible seed, of which he was begotten; nor to the corruption or purulent matter of his boils and ulcers, and the worms his flesh was now clothed with, Job 7:5; but to that corruption his body would turn to in the grave, lying long enough to see it, which Christ's body did not, Psa 16:10; that is, "to the pit of corruption" c, as it may be rendered, meaning the grave, so called because in it dead bodies corrupt and putrefy: in houses are families consisting of various persons, of different relations, who dwell together in friendship and harmony, very lovingly and familiarly, as father and mother, brother and sister; so in the grave, the dwelling house of men, there are inhabitants that dwell together, as if they were familiar friends and acquaintance; and with these, Job claims kindred, such as corruption, rottenness, dust and worms, and these he speaks unto, not only very familiarly, but very respectfully; the note of Bar Tzemach is,

"I honour the grave as a son a father, that it may receive me quickly;''

yea, he speaks as not ashamed of the relation, but is fond of it; "I called" or "cried" d that is, aloud, with great vehemency and affection:

to the worm, thou art my mother and my sister; these are the rather mentioned, because the relation is near, and they are very loving and tender, and abide in the house, see Pro 7:4; he calls these his mother and sister, as the above Jewish commentator observes, because the might lie in their bosom; by all this Job would represent how familiar death and the grave were to him, and how little he dreaded them; yea, how desirable they were to him, since he should be at home, and among his relations and friends.

Gill: Job 17:15 - -- And where is now my hope?.... Not the grace of hope, which was in his heart; and though it might sometimes be low in exercise, it could not be lost; ...

And where is now my hope?.... Not the grace of hope, which was in his heart; and though it might sometimes be low in exercise, it could not be lost; it is an anchor, sure and steadfast, and is one of the graces that always abides, and never disappoints and makes ashamed; nor the object of hope, eternal glory and happiness in another world, that is laid up in heaven, and for which he was looking and waiting by faith; but his hope of outward happiness, and of being restored to his former state of prosperity, or a better, which his friends encouraged him to; this had no place in him, nor did he see any reason to cherish it; all ground and foundation of it was removed, as he apprehended; there was nothing on which he could build such an hope as that, see Job 6:11;

as for my hope, who shall see it? that is, which his friends would have him hope for, a line house, a large estate, a numerous family, honour and respect among men, long life, and an abundance of outward peace and happiness; this he was firmly persuaded he should never see, being just going into the grave, nor his friends that suggested these things to him, nor anybody else; though indeed what he himself truly hoped for might be rightly thus described, being things not seen by the eye of the body, nor by carnal sense and reason, but are the invisible glories and realities of another world, for "hope that is seen is not hope", &c. Rom 8:24; but Job does not design these, but the former.

Gill: Job 17:16 - -- They shall go down to the bars of the pit,.... He himself, and his friends, and the hopes they would have him entertain; these should all go down toge...

They shall go down to the bars of the pit,.... He himself, and his friends, and the hopes they would have him entertain; these should all go down together to the grave, and there lie barred and locked up; these hopes, so as never to rise anymore, and the bodies of himself, and his friends, till loosed by him who has the keys of hell and death: or "the bars shall go down to the grave"; the members of his body, as Jarchi, which are the bars of it, as some in Bar Tzemach; the strength and support of it, as particularly the bones, these shall go down to the grave, and there turn to rottenness and dust; and therefore, as if he should say, as he elsewhere does, "what is my strength, that I should hope?" Job 6:11;

when our rest together is in the dust; which is man's original, and to which he returns, and in which the dead lie and sleep until the resurrection; and where they are at rest from all adversity and affliction of body, mind, and estate; from all the troubles and vexations occasioned by wicked men, and from all disputes, wranglings, contentions, and animosities among friends, which would be the case of Job, and his friends, when their heads were laid in the dust, and which he supposed would quickly be; and therefore it was in vain for them to feed him with hopes of outward happiness, and for him to entertain them; it best came them both to think of death and the grave as near at hand, where their controversies would be buried, and they would be good friends, and lie quietly together, and take their rest until they should awake and rise to everlasting life.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Job 17:10 Instead of the exact correspondence between coordinate verbs, other combinations occur – here we have a jussive and an imperative (see GKC 386 &...

NET Notes: Job 17:11 This word has been linked to the root יָרַשׁ (yarash, “to inherit”) yielding a meaning “the poss...

NET Notes: Job 17:12 This expression is open to alternative translations: (1) It could mean that they say in the face of darkness, “Light is near.” (2) It coul...

NET Notes: Job 17:13 The clause begins with אִם (’im) which here has more of the sense of “since.” E. Dhorme (Job, 253) takes a rather ...

NET Notes: Job 17:14 The word שַׁחַת (shakhat) may be the word “corruption” from a root שָׁחַ...

NET Notes: Job 17:15 The repetition of “my hope” in the verse has thrown the versions off, and their translations have led commentators also to change the seco...

NET Notes: Job 17:16 The translation follows the LXX and the Syriac versions with the change of vocalization in the MT. The MT has the noun “rest,” yielding, &...

Geneva Bible: Job 17:10 But as for ( l ) you all, do ye return, and come now: for I cannot find [one] wise [man] among you. ( l ) Job speaks to the three who came to comfort...

Geneva Bible: Job 17:12 They change the ( m ) night into day: the light [is] short because of darkness. ( m ) That is, have brought me sorrow instead of comfort.

Geneva Bible: Job 17:13 If I wait, ( n ) the grave [is] mine house: I have made my bed in the darkness. ( n ) Though I should hope to come from adversity to prosperity, as y...

Geneva Bible: Job 17:14 I have said to corruption, Thou [art] my ( o ) father: to the worm, [Thou art] my mother, and my sister. ( o ) I have no more hope in father, mother,...

Geneva Bible: Job 17:16 ( p ) They shall go down to the bars of the pit, when [our] rest together [is] in the dust. ( p ) All worldly hope and prosperity fail which you say,...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Job 17:1-16 - --1 Job appeals from men to God.6 The unmerciful dealing of men with the afflicted may astonish, but not discourage the righteous.11 His hope is not in ...

MHCC: Job 17:10-16 - --Job's friends had pretended to comfort him with the hope of his return to a prosperous estate; he here shows that those do not go wisely about the wor...

Matthew Henry: Job 17:10-16 - -- Job's friends had pretended to comfort him with the hopes of his return to a prosperous estate again; now he here shows, I. That it was their folly ...

Keil-Delitzsch: Job 17:10-12 - -- 10 But only come again all of you! I shall not find a wise man among you. - 11 My days are past, My purposes cut off, The cherished thoughts of ...

Keil-Delitzsch: Job 17:13-16 - -- 13 If I hope, it is for Sheôl as my house, In darkness I make my bed. 14 I cry to corruption: Thou art my father! - To the worm: Thou art my mo...

Constable: Job 15:1--21:34 - --C. The Second Cycle of Speeches between Job and His Three Friends chs. 15-21 In the second cycle of spee...

Constable: Job 16:1--17:16 - --2. Job's second reply to Eliphaz chs. 16-17 This response reflects Job's increasing disinterest ...

Constable: Job 17:6-16 - --Job's despair in the face of death 17:6-16 Job proceeded to accuse God by making him a b...

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: Job (Book Introduction) JOB A REAL PERSON.--It has been supposed by some that the book of Job is an allegory, not a real narrative, on account of the artificial character of ...

JFB: Job (Outline) THE HOLINESS OF JOB, HIS WEALTH, &c. (Job 1:1-5) SATAN, APPEARING BEFORE GOD, FALSELY ACCUSES JOB. (Job 1:6-12) SATAN FURTHER TEMPTS JOB. (Job 2:1-8)...

TSK: Job (Book Introduction) A large aquatic animal, perhaps the extinct dinosaur, plesiosaurus, the exact meaning is unknown. Some think this to be a crocodile but from the desc...

TSK: Job 17 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Job 17:1, Job appeals from men to God; Job 17:6, The unmerciful dealing of men with the afflicted may astonish, but not discourage the ri...

Poole: Job 17 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 17 His miserable life; false friends; their punishment, Job 17:1-5 . His contempt, and sorrow, Job 17:6,7 . The righteous should be establi...

MHCC: Job (Book Introduction) This book is so called from Job, whose prosperity, afflictions, and restoration, are here recorded. He lived soon after Abraham, or perhaps before tha...

MHCC: Job 17 (Chapter Introduction) (Job 17:1-9) Job appeals from man to God. (Job 17:10-16) His hope is not in life, but in death.

Matthew Henry: Job (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Book of Job This book of Job stands by itself, is not connected with any other, and is therefore to...

Matthew Henry: Job 17 (Chapter Introduction) In this chapter, I. Job reflects upon the harsh censures which his friends had passed upon him, and looking upon himself as a dying man (Job 17:1)...

Constable: Job (Book Introduction) Introduction Title This book, like many others in the Old Testament, got its name from...

Constable: Job (Outline) Outline I. Prologue chs. 1-2 A. Job's character 1:1-5 B. Job's calamitie...

Constable: Job Job Bibliography Andersen, Francis I. Job. Tyndale Old Testament Commentaries series. Leicester, Eng. and Downe...

Haydock: Job (Book Introduction) THE BOOK OF JOB. INTRODUCTION. This Book takes its name from the holy man, of whom it treats; who, according to the more probable opinion, was ...

Gill: Job (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO JOB This book, in the Hebrew copies, generally goes by this name, from Job, who is however the subject, if not the writer of it. In...

Gill: Job 17 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO JOB 17 In this chapter Job not only enlarges upon the reason given in the preceding chapter, why he was desirous of an advocate wit...

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