
Text -- Job 8:11-22 (NET)




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Wesley: Job 8:11 - -- _The hypocrite cannot build his hope, without some false, rotten ground or other, any more than the rush can grow without mire, or the flag without wa...
_The hypocrite cannot build his hope, without some false, rotten ground or other, any more than the rush can grow without mire, or the flag without water.

Wesley: Job 8:12 - -- Whereby it promises long continuance. Tho' no man cut it down, it withers of itself, sooner than other herbs.
Whereby it promises long continuance. Tho' no man cut it down, it withers of itself, sooner than other herbs.

Wesley: Job 8:13 - -- Of wicked men. By their paths he doth not understand their manner of living, but the events which befall them, God's manner of dealing with them.
Of wicked men. By their paths he doth not understand their manner of living, but the events which befall them, God's manner of dealing with them.

Wesley: Job 8:14 - -- Whose wealth and outward glory, the matter of his hope, and trust, shall be cut off suddenly and violently taken away from him.
Whose wealth and outward glory, the matter of his hope, and trust, shall be cut off suddenly and violently taken away from him.

Wesley: Job 8:14 - -- Which tho' it be formed with great art and industry, is easily swept down, or pulled in pieces.
Which tho' it be formed with great art and industry, is easily swept down, or pulled in pieces.

Wesley: Job 8:15 - -- He shall trust to the multitude of his children and servants, and to his wealth, all which come under the name of a man's house in scripture.
He shall trust to the multitude of his children and servants, and to his wealth, all which come under the name of a man's house in scripture.

Wesley: Job 8:15 - -- To uphold himself by it. But his web, that refuge of lies, will be swept away, and he crushed in it.
To uphold himself by it. But his web, that refuge of lies, will be swept away, and he crushed in it.

Wesley: Job 8:16 - -- The secure and prosperous sinner may think himself wronged, when he is compared to a rush or flag.
The secure and prosperous sinner may think himself wronged, when he is compared to a rush or flag.

rooted tree. Yet even then shall he be suddenly cut off.

Wesley: Job 8:16 - -- His children, who are here mentioned as additions not only to his comfort, but also to his strength and safety.
His children, who are here mentioned as additions not only to his comfort, but also to his strength and safety.

Wesley: Job 8:16 - -- A place where it is defended from those injuries to which the trees of the field are subject, and where, besides the advantages common to all trees, i...
A place where it is defended from those injuries to which the trees of the field are subject, and where, besides the advantages common to all trees, it hath peculiar helps from the art and industry of men. So he supposes this man to be placed in the most desirable circumstances.

Wesley: Job 8:17 - -- Of stones. This circumstance is added, to signify its firmness and strength, that it was not in loose and sandy ground, which a violent wind might ove...
Of stones. This circumstance is added, to signify its firmness and strength, that it was not in loose and sandy ground, which a violent wind might overthrow, but in solid ground, within which were many stones, which its numerous and spreading roots embrace, folding and interweaving themselves about them.

Wesley: Job 8:17 - -- The tree reacheth thither, takes the advantage of that place for the strengthening of itself.
The tree reacheth thither, takes the advantage of that place for the strengthening of itself.

God, who is the saviour of good men, and the destroyer of the wicked.

Wesley: Job 8:18 - -- The place; to which denying him, and seeing him, are here ascribed figuratively.
The place; to which denying him, and seeing him, are here ascribed figuratively.

Wesley: Job 8:18 - -- He shall be so utterly extirpated and destroyed, that there shall be no memorial of him left.
He shall be so utterly extirpated and destroyed, that there shall be no memorial of him left.

This is the issue of the flourishing state. This all his joy comes to.

Out of the same earth or place shall another tree grow.

Wesley: Job 8:20 - -- God who will not help the evildoer, will not cast away a good man, tho he may be cast down. Yet it may be, he will not be lifted up in this world: and...
God who will not help the evildoer, will not cast away a good man, tho he may be cast down. Yet it may be, he will not be lifted up in this world: and therefore Bildad could not infer, that if Job was not restored to temporal prosperity, he was not a good man. Let us judge nothing before the time, but wait 'till the secrets of all hearts are revealed, and the present difficulties of providence solved, to universal and everlasting satisfaction.

Wesley: Job 8:21 - -- _And what I have said in general of good men, shall be made good to thee, if thou art such: God will not forsake thee, nor desist from doing thee good...
_And what I have said in general of good men, shall be made good to thee, if thou art such: God will not forsake thee, nor desist from doing thee good, 'till he give thee abundant matter of rejoicing.
JFB: Job 8:11 - -- Rather, "paper-reed": The papyrus of Egypt, which was used to make garments, shoes, baskets, boats, and paper (a word derived from it). It and the fla...
Rather, "paper-reed": The papyrus of Egypt, which was used to make garments, shoes, baskets, boats, and paper (a word derived from it). It and the flag, or bulrush, grow only in marshy places (such as are along the Nile). So the godless thrives only in external prosperity; there is in the hypocrite no inward stability; his prosperity is like the rapid growth of water plants.

JFB: Job 8:12 - -- Before it has ripened for the scythe, it withers more suddenly than any herb, having no self-sustaining power, once that the moisture is gone, which o...
Before it has ripened for the scythe, it withers more suddenly than any herb, having no self-sustaining power, once that the moisture is gone, which other herbs do not need in the same degree. So ruin seizes on the godless in the zenith of prosperity, more suddenly than on others who appear less firmly seated in their possessions [UMBREIT] (Psa 112:10).


JFB: Job 8:14 - -- So GESENIUS; or, to accord with the metaphor of the spider's "house," "The confidence (on which he builds) shall be laid in ruins" (Isa 59:5-6).
So GESENIUS; or, to accord with the metaphor of the spider's "house," "The confidence (on which he builds) shall be laid in ruins" (Isa 59:5-6).

JFB: Job 8:15 - -- Implying his eager grasp, when the storm of trial comes: as the spider "holds fast" by its web; but with this difference: the light spider is sustaine...
Implying his eager grasp, when the storm of trial comes: as the spider "holds fast" by its web; but with this difference: the light spider is sustained by that on which it rests; the godless is not by the thin web on which he rests. The expression, "Hold fast," properly applies to the spider holding his web, but is transferred to the man. Hypocrisy, like the spider's web, is fine-spun, flimsy, and woven out of its own inventions, as the spider's web out of its own bowels. An Arab proverb says, "Time destroys the well-built house, as well as the spider's web."

JFB: Job 8:16 - -- That is, he (the godless) is green only before the sun rises; but he cannot bear its heat, and withers. So succulent plants like the gourd (Jon 4:7-8)...
That is, he (the godless) is green only before the sun rises; but he cannot bear its heat, and withers. So succulent plants like the gourd (Jon 4:7-8). But the widespreading in the garden does not quite accord with this. Better, "in sunshine"; the sun representing the smiling fortune of the hypocrite, during which he wondrously progresses [UMBREIT]. The image is that of weeds growing in rank luxuriance and spreading over even heaps of stones and walls, and then being speedily torn away.

JFB: Job 8:17 - -- Hebrew, "the house of stones"; that is, the wall surrounding the garden. The parasite plant, in creeping towards and over the wall--the utmost bound o...
Hebrew, "the house of stones"; that is, the wall surrounding the garden. The parasite plant, in creeping towards and over the wall--the utmost bound of the garden--is said figuratively to "see" or regard it.

JFB: Job 8:18 - -- If He (God) tear him away (properly, "to tear away rapidly and violently") from his place, "then it [the place personified] shall deny him" (Psa 103:1...
If He (God) tear him away (properly, "to tear away rapidly and violently") from his place, "then it [the place personified] shall deny him" (Psa 103:16). The very soil is ashamed of the weeds lying withered on its surface, as though it never had been connected with them. So, when the godless falls from prosperity, his nearest friends disown him.

Bitter irony. The hypocrite boasts of joy. This then is his "joy" at the last.

JFB: Job 8:19 - -- Others immediately, who take the place of the man thus punished; not godly men (Mat 3:9). For the place of the weeds is among stones, where the garden...
Others immediately, who take the place of the man thus punished; not godly men (Mat 3:9). For the place of the weeds is among stones, where the gardener wishes no plants. But, ungodly; a fresh crop of weeds always springs up in the place of those torn up: there is no end of hypocrites on earth [UMBREIT].

Bildad regards Job as a righteous man, who has fallen into sin.

JFB: Job 8:20 - -- (or godly man, such as Job was), if he will only repent. Those alone who persevere in sin God will not help (Hebrew, "take by the hand," Psa 73:23; Is...

JFB: Job 8:21 - -- Literally, "to the point that"; God's blessing on thee, when repentant, will go on increasing to the point that, or until, &c.
Literally, "to the point that"; God's blessing on thee, when repentant, will go on increasing to the point that, or until, &c.

JFB: Job 8:22 - -- The haters of Job are the wicked. They shall be clothed with shame (Jer 3:25; Psa 35:26; Psa 109:29), at the failure of their hope that Job would utte...
The haters of Job are the wicked. They shall be clothed with shame (Jer 3:25; Psa 35:26; Psa 109:29), at the failure of their hope that Job would utterly perish, and because they, instead of him, come to naught.
Clarke: Job 8:11 - -- Can the rush grow - The word גמא gome , which we translate rush, is, without doubt, the Egyptian flag papyrus, on which the ancients wrote, and ...
Can the rush grow - The word

Clarke: Job 8:11 - -- Can the flag grow without water? - Parkhurst supposes that the word אחו achu , which we render flag, is the same with that species of reed which...
Can the flag grow without water? - Parkhurst supposes that the word

Clarke: Job 8:12 - -- Whilst it is yet in his greenness - We do not know enough of the natural history of this plant to be able to discern the strength of this allusion; ...
Whilst it is yet in his greenness - We do not know enough of the natural history of this plant to be able to discern the strength of this allusion; but we learn from it that, although this plant be very succulent, and grow to a great size, yet it is short-lived, and speedily withers; and this we may suppose to be in the dry season, or on the retreat of the waters of the Nile. However, Soon Ripe, soon Rotten, is a maxim in horticulture.

Clarke: Job 8:13 - -- So are the paths - The papyrus and the rush flourish while they have a plentiful supply of ooze and water; but take these away, and their prosperity...
So are the paths - The papyrus and the rush flourish while they have a plentiful supply of ooze and water; but take these away, and their prosperity is speedily at an end; so it is with the wicked and profane; their prosperity is of short duration, however great it may appear to be in the beginning. Thou also, O thou enemy of God, hast flourished for a time; but the blast of God is come upon thee, and now thou art dried up from the very roots

Clarke: Job 8:13 - -- The hypocrite’ s hope shall perish - A hypocrite, or rather profligate, has no inward religion, for his heart is not right with God; he has onl...
The hypocrite’ s hope shall perish - A hypocrite, or rather profligate, has no inward religion, for his heart is not right with God; he has only hope, and that perishes when he gives up the ghost. This is the first place in which the word hypocrite occurs, or the noun

Clarke: Job 8:14 - -- Whose hope shall be cut off - Such persons, subdued by the strong habits of sin, hope on fruitlessly, till the last thread of the web of life is cut...
Whose hope shall be cut off - Such persons, subdued by the strong habits of sin, hope on fruitlessly, till the last thread of the web of life is cut off from the beam; and then they find no more strength in their hope than is in the threads of the spider’ s web. Mr. Good renders, Thus shall their support rot away. The foundation on which they trust is rotten, and by and by the whole superstructure of their confidence shall tumble into ruin.

Clarke: Job 8:15 - -- He shall lean upon his house - This is all allusion to the spider. When he suspects his web, here called his house, to be frail or unsure, he leans ...
He shall lean upon his house - This is all allusion to the spider. When he suspects his web, here called his house, to be frail or unsure, he leans upon it in different parts, propping himself on his hinder legs, and pulling with his fore claws, to see if all be safe. If he find any part of it injured, he immediately adds new cordage to that part, and attaches it strongly to the wall. When he finds all safe and strong, he retires into his hole at one corner, supposing himself to be in a state of complete security, when in a moment the brush or the besom sweeps away both himself, his house, and his confidence. This I have several times observed; and it is in this that the strength and point of the comparison consist. The wicked, whose hope is in his temporal possessions strengthens and keeps his house in repair; and thus leans on his earthly supports; in a moment, as in the case of the spider, his house is overwhelmed by the blast of God’ s judgments, and himself probably buried in its ruins. This is a very fine and expressive metaphor, which not one of the commentators that I have seen has ever discovered.

Clarke: Job 8:16 - -- He is green before the sun - This is another metaphor. The wicked is represented as a luxuriant plant, in a good soil, with all the advantages of a ...
He is green before the sun - This is another metaphor. The wicked is represented as a luxuriant plant, in a good soil, with all the advantages of a good situation; well exposed to the sun; the roots intervolving themselves with stones, so as to render the tree more stable; but suddenly a blast comes, and the tree begins to die. The sudden fading of its leaves, etc., shows that its root is become as rottenness, and its vegetable life destroyed. I have often observed sound and healthy trees, which were flourishing in all the pride of vegetative health, suddenly struck by some unknown and incomprehensible blast, begin to die away, and perish from the roots. I have seen also the prosperous wicked, in the inscrutable dispensations of the Divine providence, blasted, stripped, made bare, and despoiled, in the same way.

Clarke: Job 8:18 - -- If he destroy him from his place - Is not this a plain reference to the alienation of his inheritance? God destroys him from it; it becomes the prop...
If he destroy him from his place - Is not this a plain reference to the alienation of his inheritance? God destroys him from it; it becomes the property of another; and on his revisiting it, the place, by a striking prosopopoeia, says, "I know thee not; I have never seen thee."This also have I witnessed; I looked on it, felt regret, received instruction, and hasted away.

Clarke: Job 8:19 - -- Behold this is the joy of his way - A strong irony. Here is the issue of all his mirth, of his sports, games, and pastimes! See the unfeeling, domin...
Behold this is the joy of his way - A strong irony. Here is the issue of all his mirth, of his sports, games, and pastimes! See the unfeeling, domineering, polluting and polluted scape-grace, levelled with those whom he had despised, a servant of servants, or unable to work through his debaucheries, cringing for a morsel of bread, or ingloriously ending his days in that bane of any well-ordered and civilized state, a parish workhouse. This also I have most literally witnessed

Clarke: Job 8:19 - -- Out of the earth shall others gross - As in the preceding case, when one plant or tree is blasted or cut down, another may be planted in the same pl...
Out of the earth shall others gross - As in the preceding case, when one plant or tree is blasted or cut down, another may be planted in the same place; so, when a spendthrift has run through his property, another possesses his inheritance, and grows up from that soil in which he himself might have continued to flourish, had it not been for his extravagance and folly. This verse Mr. Good applies to God himself, with no advantage to the argument, nor elucidation of the sense, that I can see. I shall give his translation, and refer to his learned notes for his vindication of the version he has given: -
"Behold the Eternal (
Even over his dust shall raise up another.
In this way none of the ancient versions have understood the passage. I believe it to be a strong irony, similar to that which some think flowed from the pen of the same writer: Rejoice, O young man, in thy youth; and let thy heart cheer thee in the days of thy youth; and walk in the ways of thine heart, and in the sight of thine eyes. But know thou, that for all these God will bring thee into judgment; Ecc 11:9. These two places illustrate each other.

Clarke: Job 8:20 - -- Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man - This is another of the maxims of the ancients, which Bildad produces: "As sure as he will punish and ...
Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man - This is another of the maxims of the ancients, which Bildad produces: "As sure as he will punish and root out the wicked, so surely will he defend and save the righteous."

Clarke: Job 8:21 - -- Till he fill thy mouth with laughing - Perhaps it may be well to translate after Mr. Good "Even yet may he fill thy mouth with laughter!"The two ver...
Till he fill thy mouth with laughing - Perhaps it may be well to translate after Mr. Good "Even yet may he fill thy mouth with laughter!"The two verses may be read as a prayer; and probably they were thus expressed by Bildad, who speaks with less virulence than his predecessor, though with equal positiveness in respect to the grand charge, viz., If thou wert not a sinner of no mean magnitude, God would not have inflicted such unprecedented calamities upon thee. This most exceptionable position, which is so contrary to matter of fact, was founded upon maxims which they derived from the ancients. Surely observation must have, in numberless instances, corrected this mistake. They must have seen many worthless men in high prosperity, and many of the excellent of the earth in deep adversity and affliction; but the opposite was an article of their creed, and all appearances and facts must take its colouring. Job’ s friends must have been acquainted, at least, with the history of the ancient patriarchs; and most certainly they contained facts of an opposite nature. Righteous Abel was persecuted and murdered by his wicked brother, Cain. Abram was obliged to leave his own country on account of worshipping the true God; so all tradition has said. Jacob was persecuted by his brother Esau; Joseph was sold into slavery by his brothers; Moses was obliged to flee from Egypt, and was variously tried and afflicted, even by his own brethren. Not to mention David, and almost all the prophets. All these were proofs that the best of men were frequently exposed to sore afflictions and heavy calamities; and it is not by the prosperity or adversity of men in this world, that we are to judge of the approbation or disapprobation of God towards them. In every case our Lord’ s rule is infallible: By their fruits ye shall know them.
the rush : Exo 2:3; Isa 19:5-7


TSK: Job 8:13 - -- that forget God : Deu 6:12, Deu 8:11, Deu 8:14, Deu 8:19; Psa 9:17, Psa 10:4, Psa 50:22; Isa 51:13
the hypocrite’ s : Job 11:20, Job 13:16, Job 1...

TSK: Job 8:15 - -- it shall not stand : Job 18:14, Job 27:18; Psa 52:5-7, Psa 112:10; Pro 10:28; Mat 7:24-27; Luk 6:47-49
it shall not stand : Job 18:14, Job 27:18; Psa 52:5-7, Psa 112:10; Pro 10:28; Mat 7:24-27; Luk 6:47-49

TSK: Job 8:17 - -- roots : Job 18:16, Job 29:19; Isa 5:24, Isa 40:24; Jer 12:1, Jer 12:2; Mar 11:20; Jud 1:12


TSK: Job 8:19 - -- this is the joy : Job 20:5; Mat 13:20, Mat 13:21
out of the earth : 1Sa 2:8; Psa 75:7, Psa 113:7; Eze 17:24; Mat 3:9

TSK: Job 8:20 - -- God : Job 4:7, Job 9:22; Psa 37:24, Psa 37:37, Psa 94:14
help the evil doers : Heb. take the ungodly by the hand, Isa 45:1

TSK: Job 8:21 - -- he fill : Gen 21:6; Psa 126:2, Psa 126:6; Luk 6:21
rejoicing : Heb. shouting for joy, Ezr 3:11-13; Neh 12:43; Psa 32:11, Psa 98:4, Psa 100:1; Isa 65:1...

TSK: Job 8:22 - -- clothed : Psa 35:26, Psa 109:29, Psa 132:18; 1Pe 5:5
come to nought : Heb. not be, Job 8:18, Job 7:21
clothed : Psa 35:26, Psa 109:29, Psa 132:18; 1Pe 5:5

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Barnes: Job 8:11 - -- Can the rush - This passage has all the appearance of being a fragment of a poem handed down from ancient times. It is adduced by Bildad as an ...
Can the rush - This passage has all the appearance of being a fragment of a poem handed down from ancient times. It is adduced by Bildad as an example of the views of the ancients, and, as the connection would seem to imply, as a specimen of the sentiments of those who lived before the life of man had been abridged. It was customary in the early ages of the world to communicate knowledge of all kinds by maxims, moral sayings, and proverbs; by apothegms and by poetry handed down from generation to generation. Wisdom consisted much in the amount of maxims and proverbs which were thus treasured up; as it now consists much in the knowledge which we have of the lessons taught by the past, and in the ability to apply that knowledge to the various transactions of life. The records of past ages constitute a vast storehouse of wisdom, and the present generation is more wise than those which have gone before, only because the results of their observations have been treasured up, and we can act on their experience, and because we can begin where they left off, and, taught by their experience, can avoid the mistakes which they made. The word "rush"here
Without mire - Without moisture. It grew in the marshy places along the Nile.
Can the flag - Another plant of a similar character. The word

Barnes: Job 8:12 - -- Whilst it is yet in his greenness - That is, while it seems to be in its vigor. And is not cut down - Even when it is not cut down. If su...
Whilst it is yet in his greenness - That is, while it seems to be in its vigor.
And is not cut down - Even when it is not cut down. If suffered to stand by itself, and if undisturbed, it will wither away. The application of this is obvious and beautiful. Such plants have no self sustaining power. They are dependent on moisture for their support. If that is withheld, they droop and die. So with the prosperous sinner and the hypocrite. His piety, compared with that which is genuine, is like the spongy texture of the paper-reed compared with the solid oak. He is sustained in his professed religion by outward prosperity, as the rush is nourished by moisture; and the moment his prosperity is withdrawn, his religion droops and dies like the flag without water.

Barnes: Job 8:13 - -- So are the paths of all that forget God - This is clearly a part of the quotation from the sayings of the ancients. The word "paths"here means ...
So are the paths of all that forget God - This is clearly a part of the quotation from the sayings of the ancients. The word "paths"here means ways, acts, doings. They who forget God are like the paper-reed. They seem to flourish, but they have nothing that is firm and substantial. As the paper-reed soon dies, as the flag withers away before any other herb, so it will be with the wicked, though apparently prosperous.
And the hypocrite’ s hope shall perish - This important sentiment, it seems, was known in the earliest periods of the world; and if the supposition above be correct, that this is a fragment of a poem which had come down from far distant times, it was probably known before the flood. The passage requires no particular philological explanation, but it is exceedingly important. We may remark on it,
(1) That there were hypocrites even in that early age of the world. They are confined to no period, or country, or religious denomination, or profession. There are hypocrites in religion - and so there are in politics, and in business, and in friendship, and in morals. There arc pretended friends, and pretended patriots, and pretended lovers of virtue, whose hearts are false and hol ow, just as there are pretended friends of religion. Wherever there is genuine coin, it will be likely to be counterfeited; and the fact of a counterfeit is always a tribute to the intrinsic worth of the coin - for who would be at the pains to counterfeit that which is worthless? The fact that there are hypocrites in the church, is an involuntary tribute to the excellency of religion.
(2) The hypocrite has a hope of eternal life. This hope is founded on various things. It may be on his own morality; it may be on the expectation that he will be able to practice a deception; it may be on some wholly false and unfounded view of the character and plans of God. Or taking the word "hypocrite"in a larger sense to denote anyone who pretends to religion and who has none, this hope may be founded on some change of feeling which he has had, and which he mistook for religion; on some supposed vision which he had of the cross or of the Redeemer, or on the mere subsiding of the alarm which an awakened sinner experiences, and the comparative peace consequent on that. The mere cessation of fear produces a kind of peace - as the ocean is calm and beautiful after a storm - no matter what may be the cause, whether it be true religion or any other cause. Many a sinner, who has lost his convictions for sin in any way, mistakes the temporary calm which succeeds for true religion, and embraces the hope of the hypocrite.
(3) That hope will perish. This may occur in various ways.
(a) It may die away insensibly, and leave the man to be a mere professor of religion - a formalist, without comfort, usefulness, or peace.
(b) It may be taken away in some calamity by which God tries the soul, and where the man will see that he has no religion to sustain him.
© It may occur under the preaching of the gospel, when the hypocrite may be convinced that he is destitute of vital piety, and has no true love to God.
(d) It may be on a bed of death - when God comes to take away the soul, and when the judgment-seat appears in view.
(e) Or it will be at the bar of God. Then the hope of the hypocrite will certainly be destroyed. Then it will be seen that he had no true religion, and then he will be consigned to the awful doom of him who in the most solemn circumstances lived to deceive, and who assumed the appearance of that which he had the strongest reason to believe he never possessed. Oh! how important it is for every professor of religion to examine himself, that he may know what is the foundation of his hope of heaven!

Barnes: Job 8:14 - -- Whose hope shall be cut off - Schultens supposes that the quotation from the ancients closes with Job 8:13, and that these are the comments of ...
Whose hope shall be cut off - Schultens supposes that the quotation from the ancients closes with Job 8:13, and that these are the comments of Bildad on the passage to which he had referred. Rosenmuller and Noyes continue the quotation to the close of Job 8:19; Dr. Good closes it at Job 8:13. It seems to me that it is extended further than Job 8:13, and probably it is to be regarded as continued to the close of Job 8:18. The beginning of this verse has been very variously rendered. Dr. Good says that it has never been understood, and proposes to translate it, "thus shall his support rot away."Noyes renders it, "whose expectation shall come to naught;"Gesenius, "shall be cut off."Jerome, Non ei placebit vecordia sua . "his madness (do age, rage, or frenzy) shall not please him?"The Septuagint, "his house shall be uninhabitable, and his tent shall pass away as the spider."
The Hebrew word translated "cut off"(
And whose trust - Whose confidence, or expectation.
A spider’ s web - Margin, "house."So the Hebrew

Barnes: Job 8:15 - -- He shall lean upon his house - This is an allusion to the web or house of the spider. The hope of the hypocrite is called the house which he ha...
He shall lean upon his house - This is an allusion to the web or house of the spider. The hope of the hypocrite is called the house which he has built for himself; his home, his refuge, his support. But it shall fail him. In times of trial he will trust to it for support, and it will be found to be as frail as the web of the spider. How little the light and slender thread which a spider spins would avail a man for support in time of danger! So frail and unsubstantial will be the hope of the hypocrite! It is impossible to conceive any figure which would more strongly describe the utter vanity of the hopes of the wicked. A similar comparison occurs in the Koran, Sur. 28, 40: "They who assume any other patrons to themselves besides God, are like the spider building his house; for the house of the spider is most feeble."
He shall hold it fast - Or, he shall lay hold on it to sustain him, denoting the avidity with which the hypocrite seizes upon his hope. The figure is still taken from the spider, and is an instance of a careful observation of the habits of that insect. The idea is, that the spider, when a high wind or a tempest blows, seizes upon its slender web to sustain itself. But it is insufficient. The wind sweeps all away. So the tempest of calamity sweeps away the hypocrite, though he grasps at his hope, and would seek security in that, as a spider does in the light and tenuous thread which it has spun.

Barnes: Job 8:16 - -- He is green before the sun - Vulgate, "antequam veniat sol - before the sun comes." So the Chaldee, "before the rising of the sun."So Eichho...
He is green before the sun - Vulgate, "antequam veniat sol - before the sun comes." So the Chaldee, "before the rising of the sun."So Eichhorn renders it. According to this, which is probably the true interpretation, the passage means that he is green and flourishing before the sun rises, but that he cannot hear its heat and withers away. A new illustration is here introduced, and the object is to compare the hypocrite with a vigorous plant that grows up quick and sends its branches afar, but which has no depth of root, and which, when the intense heat of the sun comes upon it, withers away. The comparison is not with a tree, which would bear the heat of the sun, but rather with those succulent plants which have a large growth of leaves and branches, like a gourd or vine, but which will not bear a drought or endure the intense heat of the sun. "This comparison of the transitory nature of human hope and prosperity to the sudden blight which over throws the glory of the forest and of the garden,"says the Editor of the Pictorial Bible (on Psa 37:35), "is at once so beautiful and so natural, as to have been employed by poets of every age."One such comparison of exquisite finish occurs in Shakespeare:
This is the state of man! Today he puts forth
The tender leaves of hope; tomorrow blossoms,
And hears his blushing honours thick upon him:
The third day comes a frost, a killing frost,
And, when he thinks, good easy man, full surely
His greatness is a ripening, nips his shoot,
And then he falls, as I do.
And his branch shooteth forth ... - A comparison of a prosperous person or nation with a vine which spreads in this manner, is common in the Scriptures. See Psa 80:11 :
She sent out her boughs unto the sea,
And her branches unto the river.
Compare the note at Isa 16:8. A similar figure occurs in Psa 37:35 :
I have seen the wicked in great power,
And spreading himself like a green bay tree.

Barnes: Job 8:17 - -- His roots are wrapped about the heap - There has been great diversity of opinion in the interpretation of this passage. Jerome renders it, "ove...
His roots are wrapped about the heap - There has been great diversity of opinion in the interpretation of this passage. Jerome renders it, "over the heap of stones his roots are condensed."Walton, " super fontem - over a fountain."The Septuagint, "he lies down (or sleeps,
(1.) A heap, as a heap of stones, from
(2.) A fountain or spring, so called from the rolling or welling up of the waters, Son 4:12, and hence, rolling waves or billows, Psa 42:7; Psa 89:9; Psa 107:25, Psa 107:29. The parallelism, if nothing else, demands that the usual signification should be given to it here; and the true sense is, that the prosperous wicked man or the hypocrite is like a plant which stands in the midst of rocks, rubbish, or old ruins, and not like one that stands in a fertile soil where it may strike its roots deep. The reference is to the fact that a tree or plant which springs up on a rock, or in the midst of rocks, will send its roots afar for nutriment, or will wrap them around the projecting points of rocks in order to obtain support. All have observed this in trees standing on rocks; but the following extract from Sillinian’ s Journal for January, 1840, wil illustrate the fact referred to here more fully.
"About fifteen years ago, upon the top of an immense boulder of limestone, some ten or twelve feet in diameter, a sapling was found growing. The stone was but slightly imbedded in the earth; several of its sides were raised from four to six feet above its surface; but the top of the rock was rough with crevices, and its surface, which was sloping off, on one side, to the earth, was covered with a thin mould. From this mould the tree had sprung up, and having thrust its roots into the crevices of the rock, it had succeeded in reaching the height of some twelve or fifteen feet. But about this period the roots on one side became loosened from their attachment, and the tree gradually declined to the opposite side, until its body was in a parallel line with the earth. The roots on the opposite side, having obtained a firmer hold, afforded sufficient nourishment to sustain the plant; although they could not, alone, retain it in its vertical position. In this condition of things, the tree as if ‘ conscious of its needs, ‘ adopted (if the term may be used) an ingenious process, in order to regain its former upright position. One of the most vigorous of the detached roots sent out a branch from its side, which, passing round a projection of the rock, again united with the parent stalk, and thus formed a perfect loop around this projection, which gave to the root an immovable attachment.
"The tree now began to recover from its bent position. Obeying the natural tendency of all plants to grow erect, and sustained by this root, which increased with unwonted vigor, in a few years it had entirely regained its vertical position, elevated, as no one could doubt who saw it, by the aid of the root which had formed this singular attachment. But this was not the only power exhibited by this remarkable tree.
"After its elevation it flourished vigorously for several years. Some of its roots had traced the sloping side of the rock to the earth, and were buried in the soil below. Others, having embedded themselves in its furrows, had completely filled these crevices with vegetable matter. The tree still continuing to grow, concentric layers of vegetable matter were annually deposited between the alburnum and liber, until by the force of vegetable growth alone, the rock was split from the top to the bottom, into three nearly equal divisions, and branches of the roots were soon found, extending down, through the divisions into the earth below. On visiting the tree a few months since, to take a drawing of it, we found that it had attained an altitude of fifty feet, and was four and a half feet in circumference at its base."
The image here shows that the author of this beautiful fragment was a careful observer of nature, and the comparison is exceedingly pertinent and striking. What more beautiful illustration of a hypocrite can there be? His roots do not strike into the earth. His piety is not planted in a rich soil. It is on the hard rock of the unconverted human heart. Yet it sends out its roots afar; seems to flourish for a time; draws nutriment from remote objects; clings to a crag or a projecting rock, or to anything for support - until a tempest sweeps it down to rise no more! No doubt the idea of Bildad was, that Job was just such a man.
Seeth the place of stones - Septuagint, "and lives in the midst of flints,"not an unapt rendering - and a very striking description of a hypocrite. So Castellio, "existit inter lapides."Its only nutriment is derived from the scanty earth in the stony soil on which it stands, or in the crevices of the rocks.

Barnes: Job 8:18 - -- If he destroy him from his place - The particle here which is rendered "if ( אם 'ı̂m ) is often used to denote emphasis, and means her...
If he destroy him from his place - The particle here which is rendered "if (
Then it shall deny him - That is, the soil, the earth, or the place where it stood. This represents a wicked man under the image of a tree. The figure is beautiful. The earth will be ashamed of it; ashamed that it sustained the tree; ashamed that it ever ministered any nutriment, and will refuse to own it. So with the hypocrite. He shall pass away as if the earth refused to own him, or to retain any recollection of him.
I have not seen thee - I never knew thee. It shall utterly deny any acquaintance with it. There is a striking resemblance here to the language which the Savior says he will use respecting the hypocrite in the day of judgment: "and then will I profess to them, I never knew you;"Mat 7:23. The hypocrite has never been known as a pious man. The earth will refuse to own him as such, and so will the heavens.

Barnes: Job 8:19 - -- Behold, this is the joy of his way - This is evidently sarcastic. "Lo! such is the joy of his course! He boasts of joy, as all hypocrites do, b...
Behold, this is the joy of his way - This is evidently sarcastic. "Lo! such is the joy of his course! He boasts of joy, as all hypocrites do, but his joy endures only for a little time. This is the end of it. He is cut down and removed, and the earth and the heavens disown him!"
And out of the earth shall others grow - This image is still derived from the tree or plant. The meaning is, that such a plant would be taken away, and that others would spring up in its place which the earth would not be ashamed of. So the hypocrite is removed to make way for others who will be sincere, and who will be useful. Hypocrites and useless people in the church are removed to make way for others who will be active and devoted to the cause of the Redeemer. A similar sentiment occurs in Job 27:16-17. This closes, as I suppose, the quotation which Bildad makes from the poets of the former age, and in the remainder of the chapter he states another truth pertaining to the righteous. This fragment is one of the most interesting that can be found any where. As a relic of the earliest times it is exceedingly valuable; as an illustration of the argument in hand; and of the course of events in this world, it is eminently beautiful. It is as true now as it was when uttered before the flood, and may be used now as describing the doom of the hypocrite, with as much propriety as then, and it may be regarded as one of the way-marks in human affairs, showing that the government of God, and the manner of his dispensations, are always substantially the same.

Barnes: Job 8:20 - -- Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man - On the meaning of the word perfect, see the note at Job 1:1. The sentiment of Bildad, or the inf...
Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man - On the meaning of the word perfect, see the note at Job 1:1. The sentiment of Bildad, or the inference which he draws from the whole argument is, that God will be the friend of the pious, but that he will not aid the wicked. This accords with the general sentiment maintained in the argument of the friends of Job.
Neither will he help the evil doers - Margin, "Take the ungodly by the hand."This is in accordance with the Hebrew. The figure is that of taking one by the hand in order to assist him; see Isa 42:6.

Barnes: Job 8:21 - -- Till he fill thy mouth with laughing - Until he make thee completely happy. The word rendered "till"( עד ‛ad ), is rendered by Dr. Goo...
Till he fill thy mouth with laughing - Until he make thee completely happy. The word rendered "till"(
With rejoicing - Margin, "Shouting for joy."The word used (

Barnes: Job 8:22 - -- They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame - When they see your returning prosperity, and the evidences of the divine favor. They will the...
They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame - When they see your returning prosperity, and the evidences of the divine favor. They will then be ashamed that they regarded you as a hypocrite, and that they reproached you in your trials.
And the dwelling-place of the wicked ... - The wicked shall be destroyed, and his family shall pass away. That is, God will favor the righteous, but punish the wicked. This opinion the friends of Job maintain all along, and by this they urge him to forsake his sins, repent, and return to God.
Poole: Job 8:11 - -- Without mire i.e. if it be not in moist and miry ground. This and what follows he mentions as it were in the person of those ancients to whom he had ...
Without mire i.e. if it be not in moist and miry ground. This and what follows he mentions as it were in the person of those ancients to whom he had referred him, of whom he saith that they would give him such instructions as these.
The flag or, the grass ; or, the meadow , as this word is used, Gen 41:2 , i.e. the grass of a meadow, But our translation seems the best, because it is compared with other herbs.

Poole: Job 8:12 - -- Yet in his greenness whereby it promiseth long continuance.
Not cut down though no man cut it down, it withereth of itself, and will save a man the...
Yet in his greenness whereby it promiseth long continuance.
Not cut down though no man cut it down, it withereth of itself, and will save a man the labour of cutting or plucking it up. It gives not a man so much warning that he can cut it down in time, as other green herbs do, but suddenly withereth.
Before any other herb i.e. sooner than other herbs, or in their presence, or they surviving; in which sense it seems to be said that Ishmael died in the presence of his brethren , Gen 25:18 ; the rest of the herbs looking upon it, and admiring this sudden change. For actions of sense and understanding are oft ascribed to lifeless creatures, both in Scripture and other authors.

Poole: Job 8:13 - -- Of all that forget God i.e. of wicked men, who are branded with this same character, Psa 9:17 50:22 ; or hypocrites, as the next words explain it, wh...
Of all that forget God i.e. of wicked men, who are branded with this same character, Psa 9:17 50:22 ; or hypocrites, as the next words explain it, who are described by their first and fundamental miscarriage, which is, that they forget , i.e. neglect, forsake, and despise, (for so this phrase is commonly understood, as Deu 6:12 8:11 32:18 Jer 2:32 23:27 ) God , i.e. his presence, and commands, and worship, and providence; and therefore break forth into manifold sins. But by their paths he doth not understand the course of their actions, or manner of their living; but the events which befall them, called their paths objectively, because they are the paths of God, or the methods of his providence, or manner of his dealing with them. Now this may be accommodated to the foregoing similitude in this manner: Such is the prosperity of wicked men, because it wants the solid foundation of their piety, and of God’ s promise and blessing consequent thereupon, it quickly vanisheth into nothing.
The hypocrite’ s hope shall perish i.e. he shall lose what he hoped for ( hope being oft put for its object,) even uninterrupted and abiding felicity, and with it all hope of restitution.

Poole: Job 8:14 - -- i.e. Whose wealth and outward glory, which is the matter of his hope and trust , shall be cut off, i.e. suddenly and violently taken away from hi...
i.e. Whose wealth and outward glory, which is the matter of his hope and trust , shall be cut off, i.e. suddenly and violently taken away from him. Whose hope shall be irksome or tedious to him , by the succession of earnest expectation and great disappointment.
A spider’ s web which though it be formed with great art and industry, and may do much mischief to others, yet is most slender and feeble, and easily swept down or pulled in pieces, and unable to defend the spider that made it. The application is obvious.

Poole: Job 8:15 - -- He either the spider, or rather, the wicked man signified by it,
shall lean upon his house i.e. he shall trust to the multitude and strength of his...
He either the spider, or rather, the wicked man signified by it,
shall lean upon his house i.e. he shall trust to the multitude and strength of his children and servants. and to his wealth, all which come under the name of a man’ s house in Scripture use.
It shall not stand i.e. not be able to uphold itself, nor him that trusted to it.
He shall hold it fast or, he shall take fast hold of it ; not to uphold it, but to strengthen and uphold himself by it, as it is in the former branch.

Poole: Job 8:16 - -- He either,
1. The perfect man, here understood out of Job 8:20 , where it is expressed; or rather,
2. The hypocrite, of whom he hath hitherto treat...
He either,
1. The perfect man, here understood out of Job 8:20 , where it is expressed; or rather,
2. The hypocrite, of whom he hath hitherto treated, to whom this and the following verses very well agree; whom he before compared to a rush, and then to a spider’ s web, and now to a tree, which is of a more solid substance, and more durable; as if he said, As some wicked men are quickly cut off in the very beginnings of their prosperity, so there are others who seem to be more firmly grounded, and yet they also at last come to ruin.
Is green i.e. flourisheth in the world.
Before the sun either,
1. Publicly, and in the view of all men, who observe it with admiration, and applause, and envy: compare 2Sa 12:12 . Or rather,
2. Notwithstanding all the scorching heat of the sun, which quickly withers the rushes and herbs, of which he spake before, but doth only cherish and refresh the tree. And so doth many a wicked man secure himself, and thrive and prosper even in times of great danger and trouble, and in spite of all opposition.
His branch or, his branches ; the singular number for the plural; either,
1. Properly, and so this belongs to the description of a flourishing tree, by the spreading of its branches here, as by the depth of its root, Job 8:17 . Or,
2. Metaphorically, to wit, his children, which are here mentioned as additions, not only to his comfort, but also to his strength and safety.
In his garden a place where it is defended from those injuries to which the trees of the field are subject from men and beasts, and where, besides the natural advantages common to all trees, it hath peculiar helps from the art and industry of men, by whom it is watered and assisted as need requires. So he supposeth this man to be placed in the most desirable circumstances.

Poole: Job 8:17 - -- About the heap to wit, of stones, which word may be here understood out of the latter branch of the verse, as is very usual in Scripture use. This ci...
About the heap to wit, of stones, which word may be here understood out of the latter branch of the verse, as is very usual in Scripture use. This circumstance of the tree is added to signify, either,
1. Its firmness and strength, that it was not in loose and sandy ground, which a violent wind might overthrow, but in solid and hard ground, within which were many stones, which its numerous and spreading roots embrace, folding and interweaving themselves severally about several stones. Or,
2. Its singular and extraordinary growth, in spite of all disadvantages and oppositions; that even stony ground, which is very prejudicial to trees, Mat 13:5 , doth not hinder its growth, but only add to its strength. So God and man seem to conspire, and all things concur, to secure and perpetuate this man’ s happiness. Some render the words, His roots are wrapped , or folded , or spread about , or beside, a spring , as the Hebrew gal sometimes signifies, as Jos 15:19 Son 4:12 , i.e. a moist ground, which is much to its advantage: see Psa 1:3 Jer 17:8 . Seeth he , i.e. the tree whose roots he last mentioneth, reacheth thither, spreadeth himself so far, takes the advantage of that place for the strengthening of itself. Seeing is oft put for enjoying, and is frequently attributed to lifeless things, by a known figure, called prosopopeia . The place , Heb. the house , which is oft used for a place; as 2Sa 6:17 1Ki 8:6 . Others render the words thus, he looketh upon the house of stones , i.e. made of stones for greater beauty and strength. He standeth proudly, and looketh boldly upon its owner’ s house, nigh unto which it is placed, even in his garden, as was said before.

Poole: Job 8:18 - -- If he either God, who is the Saviour of good men, and the Destroyer of the wicked; or the owner; or any other man; for this is an indefinite speech, ...
If he either God, who is the Saviour of good men, and the Destroyer of the wicked; or the owner; or any other man; for this is an indefinite speech, and may be taken passively and impersonally; which is very common in the holy text and language.
From his place in which he was planted.
Then it i.e. the place; to which denying him and seeing him are here ascribed figuratively, as we have oft seen.
I have not seen thee i.e. I do not know nor remember that ever thou wast planted here. He shall be so utterly extirpated and destroyed, that there shall be no footstep, nor name, nor memorial of him left there.

Poole: Job 8:19 - -- This is the joyful and happy issue of the flourishing course, state, and condition (which is frequently called a way) of this tree, or of the hypocr...
This is the joyful and happy issue of the flourishing course, state, and condition (which is frequently called a way) of this tree, or of the hypocrite, manifestly represented by it, and expressed Job 8:13 . It is a sarcasm or irony, and is to be understood contrariwise of his sad and unhappy end.
Out of the earth shall others grow i.e. out of the same earth or place shall another tree grow; which could not be if there had been but a stump of it left, though under ground. So it notes the total extirpation of the tree, and of the hypocrite, that his person and all his children and family shall be utterly extinct, and so a stranger shall come into his place, and enjoy the fruit of his labours. But the words are and may be otherwise rendered very agreeably to the Hebrew text, and out of other ground they (i.e. plants or trees, of which he is here speaking) shall grow , or others shall grow , or plants shall grow ; the noun being contained in the verb. So the sense is, This tree shall be rooted up, and the very ground of it so cursed, that nothing shall grow or thrive in it; but other ground shall be fruitful, and other trees that stood round about it shall stand still and flourish in their places. His design in all this is to prove Job to be a hypocrite, because he meets with their lot, which is total destruction.

Poole: Job 8:20 - -- Heb. God will not despise or reject , i.e. he will not deny them his help, as appears by the opposite and following branch of the verse; he will no...
Heb. God will not despise or reject , i.e. he will not deny them his help, as appears by the opposite and following branch of the verse; he will not suffer them to be utterly lost. Help , i.e. deliver them out of their troubles. Hence it may seem that thou, O Job, art not a perfect or upright man, but an evil-doer. But this is certain, if for the future thy heart and way be not perfect, and thou dost not cease to do evil, thou wilt be utterly and irrecoverably lost; as, on the contrary, if thou dost repent and reform, he will help and deliver thee, and restore thee to thy former glory and happiness; which promise, though it be not here expressed, is sufficiently implied in the contrary threatening, as is evident from the following words, which plainly suppose it, and have a reference to it; such ellipses of contraries being not unusual in Scripture, as we shall see hereafter, especially in the Book of the Proverbs.

Poole: Job 8:21 - -- And what I have said in general of all perfect men, shall be made good to thee, if thou be such a one; God will not forsake time, nor desist from do...
And what I have said in general of all perfect men, shall be made good to thee, if thou be such a one; God will not forsake time, nor desist from doing thee good,
till he fill & c., i.e. God will give thee such abundant matter of rejoicing, that thy heart shall not be able to hold it, but it shall break out at thy mouth and lips.

Poole: Job 8:22 - -- They that hate thee that rejoice in thy calamities, shall be wholly covered with shame, shall be utterly confounded, when they shall observe thee, wh...
They that hate thee that rejoice in thy calamities, shall be wholly covered with shame, shall be utterly confounded, when they shall observe thee, whom they have despised and insulted over, to be so wonderfully and surprisingly restored to thy former or a greater felicity.
Of the wicked either particularly of thy enemies, who dealt so unworthily and wickedly with thee; or more generally of all wicked men. Having showed what good God would do to the perfect man, he now declares the contrary portion of the wicked; and as he said that God would not help them, Job 8:20 , so here he adds, that God will bring not only them, but their house, i.e. their family and estate, to nought.
PBC -> Job 8:13
PBC: Job 8:13 - -- 1. Although temporary believers and other unregenerate men, may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the fav...
1. Although temporary believers and other unregenerate men, may vainly deceive themselves with false hopes and carnal presumptions of being in the favor of God, and (in a) state of salvation, Job 8:13-14; Mt 7:22-23 which hope of theirs shall perish; yet such as truly believe in the lord Jesus, and love him in sincerity, endeavoring to walk in all good conscience before him, may in this life be certainly assured 1Jo 2:3; 3:14,18-19,21; 5:13 that they are in the state of grace; and may rejoice in the hope of the glory of god, which hope shall never make them Ro 5:2,5 ashamed. (from London Confession of 1689)
See PBtop: PERSEVERANCE AND PRESERVATION
Haydock: Job 8:11 - -- Sedge-bush, or flag. Hebrew achu; so called, because from one root many brothers (as it were) spring. Septuagint style it Greek: Boutomon, a...
Sedge-bush, or flag. Hebrew achu; so called, because from one root many brothers (as it were) spring. Septuagint style it Greek: Boutomon, as it was usually "cut for oxen," Genesis xli. 2. (Parkhurst) (Haydock) ---
As plants die without suction, so do those who depart from God. (Menochius)

Haydock: Job 8:12 - -- Herbs, for want of moisture. (Calmet) ---
Sic transit gloria mundi. (Haydock) ---
The prophets often compare the prosperity of the wicked to gra...
Herbs, for want of moisture. (Calmet) ---
Sic transit gloria mundi. (Haydock) ---
The prophets often compare the prosperity of the wicked to grass, (Psalm xxxvi. 2., and James i. 10.) and Baldad ranks Job with them.

Haydock: Job 8:14 - -- Him, the hypocrite, or God. (Calmet) ---
Both shall one day condemn the ill use of riches. (Haydock)
Him, the hypocrite, or God. (Calmet) ---
Both shall one day condemn the ill use of riches. (Haydock)

Haydock: Job 8:15 - -- He. The spider, or rather the hypocrite, who will not be able to screen himself, by his possessions, from the wrath of God. (Calmet)
He. The spider, or rather the hypocrite, who will not be able to screen himself, by his possessions, from the wrath of God. (Calmet)

Haydock: Job 8:16 - -- Seemeth. Hebrew, "he is green before the sun" beat upon him. ---
Rising, ortu, for horto, (Haydock) as the Hebrew, &c., have "garden," (Menochiu...
Seemeth. Hebrew, "he is green before the sun" beat upon him. ---
Rising, ortu, for horto, (Haydock) as the Hebrew, &c., have "garden," (Menochius) with some Latin editions. He had compared the wicked to a rush without moisture. But the just is like a plant in a fine garden, which is not hurt by the sun beams. It will grow even among stones, (Calmet) and may be transplanted without danger, ver. 19. (Haydock) ---
The whole may be, however, a continuation of the former simile. The rush will presently be scorched, as if it were thrown among stones, and its place will know it no longer, ver. 18. (Menochius)

Haydock: Job 8:19 - -- Joy. Septuagint, "the catastrophe of the wicked, for another shall spring," &c. Haydock)
Joy. Septuagint, "the catastrophe of the wicked, for another shall spring," &c. Haydock)
Gill: Job 8:11 - -- Can the rush grow up without mire?.... No, at least not long, or so as to lift up his head on high, as the word signifies a; the rush or bulrush, whic...
Can the rush grow up without mire?.... No, at least not long, or so as to lift up his head on high, as the word signifies a; the rush or bulrush, which seems to be meant, delights in watery places, and has its name in Hebrew from its absorbing or drinking up water; it grows in moist and watery clay, or in marshy places, which Jarchi says is the sense of the word here used; the Septuagint understands it of the "paper reed", which, as Pliny b observes, grows in the marshy places of Egypt, and by the still waters of the river Nile:
can the flag grow without water? or "the sedge" c; which usually grows in moist places, and on the banks of rivers; this unless in such places, or if without water, cannot grow long, or make any very large increase, or come to maturity; so some d render it, "if the rush should grow up without", &c. then it would be with it as follows.

Gill: Job 8:12 - -- Whilst it is yet in its greenness,.... Before it is come to its full height, or to a proper ripeness; when as yet it has not flowered, or is about it...
Whilst it is yet in its greenness,.... Before it is come to its full height, or to a proper ripeness; when as yet it has not flowered, or is about it; before the time usual for it to turn and change; it being without moisture, water, or watery clay, will change:
and not cut down; by the scythe, or cropped by the hand of man:
it withereth before any other herb; of itself; rather sooner than such that do not require so much moisture; or in the sight and presence of them, they looking on as it were, and deriding it; a poetical representation, as Schultens observes: next follows the accommodation of these similes to wicked and hypocritical men.

Gill: Job 8:13 - -- So are the paths of all that forget God,.... Who forget that there is a God; he is not in all, and scarce in any of their thoughts, and they live wit...
So are the paths of all that forget God,.... Who forget that there is a God; he is not in all, and scarce in any of their thoughts, and they live without him in the world; who forget the works of God, of creation and providence, in which there is a glorious display of his being and perfections; who forget the benefits and blessings of his goodness they are every day partakers of, and are not thankful for them; and who forget the word, worship, and ordinances of God, and follow after and observe lying vanities, idols, and the works of men's hands, and worship them, being unmindful of the rock of their salvation: now such men, as well as the hypocrites in the next clause, are like bulrushes and flags, or sedge, being unfruitful, useless, and unprofitable; and, for their sensuality and worldly mindedness, standing in the mire and clay of an unregenerate state, and of carnal and worldly lusts; and though, especially the latter, may carry their heads high in a profession of religion, and make a fair show in the flesh while it is a time of outward prosperity with them, but when tribulation arises on the account of religion, they are presently offended, and apostatize; being destitute of the true grace of God, and having the root of the matter in them, they wither of themselves; they soon drop their profession in the view of all good men, comparable to herbs and green grass, which abide in their verdure, when the other are gone and are seen no more:
and the hypocrite's hope shall perish; who are either the same with those before described, who, being in prosperous circumstances, forget the God of their mercies they make a profession of, like Jeshurun of old, or different persons, as Bar Tzemach thinks, the former designing open profane sinners, these secret ones, under the appearance of good men: an "hypocrite" is one whose inside is not as his outside, as the Jews say; who is outwardly righteous, but inwardly wicked; has a form of godliness, but not the power of it; a name to live, but dead; that makes a show of religion and devotion, attending the worship and ordinances of God in an external way, as if he had great delight in him and them, when his heart is removed far from him: and such have their "hope", for the present, of being in the favour of God, and of future happiness, which is founded on their outward prosperity their esteem among men, and more especially their external righteousness, and profession of religion; but this will "perish", even both the ground of their hope, the riches and righteousness, which come to nothing, and the hope that is built thereupon sinks into despair; if not in life, as it sometimes does, yet always at death, see Job 11:20; Bildad seems to have Job in view here, whom he esteemed an hypocrite.

Gill: Job 8:14 - -- Whose hope shall be cut off,.... The same thing as before, expressed in different words, and repeated for the certainty of it; signifying that it shou...
Whose hope shall be cut off,.... The same thing as before, expressed in different words, and repeated for the certainty of it; signifying that it should be of no manner of use, should be wholly lost, and issue in black despair: the word has the signification of loathing, and is differently rendered, either, "whom his hope shall loathe" e or, "who shall loathe his hope" f; he shall fret and tease, and vex himself that he should be such a fool to entertain such a vain hope, or to place hope and confidence in such vain things, finding himself most sadly disappointed:
and whose trust shall be a spider's web; or "a spider's house" g; and such its web is to it; having made it, it encloses itself in it, and dwells securely: very fitly is the hope and confidence of an hypocrite compared to a spider's web, which is a very nice and curious piece of workmanship, as are the outward works of righteousness, done by hypocrites they are wrought out and set off to the best advantage, to be seen of men; yet very slight and thin, and will bear no weight; such are the best works of carnal professors; they make a fine appearance, but have no substance, do not flow from principles of grace, nor are done in the strength of Christ, or to the glory of God; are but "splendida peccata", as one calls them, and fall infinitely short of bearing the weight of the salvation of the soul: as the spider's web is spun out of its own bowels, so the works of such persons are wholly of themselves; they are their own, done without the grace of God and spirit of Christ; and such webs are not fit for garments, are too thin to cover naked souls; insufficient to shelter from divine wrath and vengeance; cannot bear the besom of justice, one stroke of which will sweep them all away; and though they may think themselves safe enclosed in them as in a house, they will find themselves in the issue wretchedly mistaken; for there is no shelter, safety, and security, in such cobwebs; there is none but in Christ and his righteousness.

Gill: Job 8:15 - -- He shall lean upon his house,.... Either the spider or the hypocrite, or the hypocrite as the spider; that is, that which is the ground of his confide...
He shall lean upon his house,.... Either the spider or the hypocrite, or the hypocrite as the spider; that is, that which is the ground of his confidence, which is as the spider's house, on that he shall depend, either on his riches and outward prosperity, which he promises himself a long continuance of, and from whence he concludes himself to be high in the favour and good will of God; or on his works of righteousness, his outward profession of religion, attendance on external worship, and a round of duties performed by him; in these he trusts, on these he depends, in such webs he enwraps himself, in such a house he dwells, and imagines himself safe; which is only making flesh his arm, leaning upon a broken reed, and building an house upon the sand: the Septuagint version is, "if he prop up his house", by repeated outward acts of religion:
but it shall not stand: whether it be riches, these are uncertain things, of no continuance; there are no riches durable but the unsearchable riches of Christ and his grace; or whether it be a man's own righteousness, which he endeavours to establish, or "make to stand", as the phrase is in Rom 10:3; but in vain; it is but a sandy foundation to build on; or the hope and confidence laid upon it is like a house built on the sand, and, when rain falls, floods come, and winds beat upon it, it falls; and great is the fall of it, Mat 7:26,
he shall hold it fast; as the worldling does his wealth, his gold and his silver; but it is snatched out of his hand by one providence or another, or however at last death obliges him to part with it; and the self-righteous man holds fast his righteousness, it is his own, he is fond of, an house of his own building, and cannot bear to have it demolished; an idol of his own setting up, and to take it away is to take away his gods; and what has he more? wherefore he holds it as fast as he can, and will not let it go till he can hold it no longer; or, "he shall fortify himself in it" h, as in a castle or strong hold, which he thinks impregnable, yet will soon and easily be battered down by divine justice:
but it shall not endure; gold perishes, riches come to nought, wealth is no enduring substance, nor is a man's righteousness lasting; only Christ's righteousness is everlasting; true grace endures to eternal and issues in it; but external gifts, speculative and rational knowledge, and a mere profession of religion, fail, cease, and vanish away.

Gill: Job 8:16 - -- He is green before the sun,.... Which some understand of the rush or flag, of which a further account is given, as setting forth more fully the case ...
He is green before the sun,.... Which some understand of the rush or flag, of which a further account is given, as setting forth more fully the case of wicked men and hypocrites; but to either of these do not agree the situation of it in a garden, the shooting forth of its branches, and the height of it, and its striking its roots deep in stony places: Cocceius interprets it of the "herb" or grass before which the flag withers, Job 8:12; but the same objections, or most of them, lie against that also; rather, from the description of it, a tall large tree is designed, to which hypocrites in their most flourishing circumstances are compared, and yet come to nothing, Psa 37:35; that is "green" in its leaves, and looks beautiful, so they in a profession of religion, which is like green leaves without fruit; they make in it a fair show in the flesh, take up and him the lamp of a profession, and retain it bright and fair for a time; or, like a tree full of sap, or "juicy" i; or, as Mr. Broughton renders it, "juiceful"; denoting, not a fulness of the spirit and his grace, or of faith, hope, love, &c. and of righteousness and goodness, but of, outward prosperity, having as much as heart could wish, and great plenty of good things laid up for many years: and this tree is said to be green and juicy "before the sun"; either in the presence and through the influence of it, as hypocrites flourish, even in a religious way, while the sun of prosperity shines upon them, and no longer; or openly and publicly, in the sight of all men, as this phrase is used, 2Sa 12:11; and as such men do, in the view of all men, professors and profane, doing all they do to be seen of men, and before whom they are outwardly righteous, and reckoned good men; or, "before the sun" rises, as the Targum and Aben Ezra, so hypocrites flourish, before the sun of persecution arises and smites them, because of their profession, and then they drop it; see Mat 13:6,
and his branch shooteth forth in his garden; or "over" k it; and branch may be put branches, which in a flourishing tree spread themselves to cover a considerable piece of ground: Mr. Broughton renders it, "and his suckers sprout over his orchard"; all which may denote the increase of a wicked man, in his family, in his wealth and substance, and particularly in his posterity, which are as branches and suckers from him; and Bildad, if these are his own words, may have respect to Job, and to his large substance and number of children he had in his prosperity, when he had an hedge set about him, and was enclosed as in a garden: and whereas the church of God is sometimes compared to a garden, Son 4:12; it agrees very well with hypocrites, who have a place there, and are called hypocrites in Sion, where they have a name, and flourish for a while: many interpreters, both Jewish l and Christian m, interpret this, and what follows, of truly righteous and good men under afflictive providences, who notwithstanding continue, and are not the worse, but the better for them; their leaf of profession is always green, and withers not; and that "before the sun", even of adversity and affliction; and though that beats upon them, and smites them severely, they are like green olive trees, or the cedars of God, full of sap, full of the grace of God, and continually supplied with it; and so patiently endure temptation and affliction, bear the heat and burden of the day, and are not careful in the year of drought; see Son 1:6; such are planted in the garden and house of the Lord by himself and shall never be rooted up; where their branches spread, and they grow in grace, and in the knowledge of all divine things, and are filled with the fruits of righteousness.

Gill: Job 8:17 - -- His roots are wrapped about the heap,.... The heap of stones where the tree stands; it strikes its roots among them, and implicates and twists them ab...
His roots are wrapped about the heap,.... The heap of stones where the tree stands; it strikes its roots among them, and implicates and twists them about them, and secures itself and grows up notwithstanding them: and this expresses the seeming stable state and condition of hypocrites for a season, who not only flourish, but seem to take root; and who maintain their ground amidst some difficulties; this fitly agrees with and describes such hearers of the word, and professors of religion, comparable to the seed sown on stony ground, Mat 13:5,
and seeth the place of stones; or, "the house of stones" n; a house built of stones, high and stately; yet this tree rises higher than that, overtops and overlooks it; and is represented as viewing it thoroughly, or looking down upon it, and all around it, being so high and so spreading; the Targum renders it, implicateth the house of stones; "platteth", as Mr. Broughton, or twists about them, and so many of the Jewish writers; but this seems to be designed in the former clause: all this suits very well with good men, whose "roots are wrapped about the fountain" o; as the words may be rendered; about the love of God, in which they are rooted and grounded, and are like trees planted by rivers of water, the river of divine love, which refreshes, revives, and makes them fruitful; and about Christ, the fountain of gardens and well of living waters; in whom they are rooted and built up, increase, flourish, and are established; and though they are among stones, and attended with many difficulties, yet they abide and surmount all; believe in hope against hope, and see and enjoy, yea, even dwell in the house of stones, the church of God, built on a rock, against which the gates of hell cannot prevail.

Gill: Job 8:18 - -- If he destroy him from his place,.... If the sun when he is risen strikes the tree with such vehement heat that it withers and utterly perishes from t...
If he destroy him from his place,.... If the sun when he is risen strikes the tree with such vehement heat that it withers and utterly perishes from the place where it grew; or roots it up, so the Targum and Nachmanides; or, if God destroys the hypocrite from his place, or he is by one means or another removed out of the garden, the church, being detested and rejected by good men; or from all his worldly enjoyments, his honour, credit, and esteem with men, which are all precarious, fickle, and inconstant; or out of the world, being cut down as a cumber ground:
then it shall deny him, saying, I have not seen thee; that is, either the tree shall deny that it ever was planted in such a place, or rather the place shall deny that the tree ever was planted there; the sense is, that it shall be so utterly destroyed, that neither root nor branch shall be left, nor anything to show that it ever grew there; its place shall know it no more, see Job 7:10; or God shall deny the hypocrite, and say he never saw him nor knew him; he never belonged to him, nor was under his care; he never looked upon him with a look of love, grace, and mercy; he never had any delight and pleasure in him, nor regarded him as one of his; he was no tree of his planting, watering, and keeping, see Mat 7:23; this seems most difficult to accommodate to a good man, and those who carry it that way seem to be most puzzled with this; some render it, "shall he be swallowed?" or, "shall anyone in, allow him up?" p destroy or root him out of his place? none shall: the root of the righteous cannot be moved, nor they from that; not from the everlasting love of God, in which they are rooted, nor from Christ, in whom they are fixed: others understand this of the digging up of a tree, and transplanting it to another place, where it grows as well, or better; and so the people of God, though they have many stripping providences, and are removed from place to place, and from one condition to another, so that their former state and place know them no more; yet all things work together for their good.

Gill: Job 8:19 - -- Behold, this is the joy of his way,.... Of the state and condition of the hypocrite, who, while he is in outward prosperity, exults and rejoices, but...
Behold, this is the joy of his way,.... Of the state and condition of the hypocrite, who, while he is in outward prosperity, exults and rejoices, but his joy is but short, it is but for a moment, Job 20:5; and this is what it comes to at last, and issues in, even entire destruction from his place; which, because it may seem strange and wonderful, and is worthy of notice and consideration, as well as to express a certainty of it, the word "behold" is prefixed; though this also is understood, by some, of good men who have much spiritual joy in their present state and condition, be it what it will; they have joy and peace in believing, even joy unspeakable, and full of glory; they have joy in the Lord, and in his ways in which they walk, when they have trouble in the world; they rejoice and even glory in tribulation, and are cheerful be they where they will, though removed from their native place and country; and especially this will be their case when they are transplanted from earth to heaven, the better and heavenly country:
and out of the earth shall others grow; in their room and stead; where the tall flourishing tree once stood, but now utterly destroyed, other trees should grow; signifying, either the children of the hypocrites and wicked men, that should spring up in their place and imitate them, and come to the same end; or rather such as were strangers to them, that should inherit their substance and estates; and it may be good men that should succeed them, and come into the possession of all their wealth, even such as were before in mean circumstances, and so may be said to come "out of the earth": it may be rendered, "out of another dust" or "earth shall they grow" q; signifying, that the wicked should be utterly destroyed, they and theirs; and that such as were of another family, and as it were of another earth and country, should stand in their place; see Job 27:16; this may be interpreted of good men, who, though they die, others are raised up in their stead; God will have a seed to serve him as long as the sun and moon endure; though they are forced to fly from their native place, being persecuted, to strange cities, or removed into the heavenly regions, yet God raises up others to till up their places, and oftentimes out of other families, even of the ungodly, to support his cause and interest; and understanding the whole of truly righteous persons seems best to connect the sense with the following words.

Gill: Job 8:20 - -- Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man,.... A sincere, upright, good man; one that is truly gracious; who, though he is not "perfect" in himsel...
Behold, God will not cast away a perfect man,.... A sincere, upright, good man; one that is truly gracious; who, though he is not "perfect" in himself, yet in Christ; and though not with respect to sanctification, which is as yet imperfect in him, yet with respect to justification, being perfectly justified by the righteousness of Christ, and all his sins pardoned for his sake: such an one God will never "cast away"; not out of his sight, being engraven on the palms of his hands, nor out of his heart's love; or will not "loath" r him, as the Targum, or reject him with abhorrence and contempt; he will not cast him out of his covenant, which is ordered in all things and sure; nor out of the hands of his son, where he has put him, and from whence none can pluck; nor out of his family, where the son abides for ever; or so as to perish eternally, this would be contrary to his love, to his foreknowledge, and to his covenant; so far is he from it, that he has the greatest regard for such, delights in them, admits thereto nearness to himself, sets them as a seal on his heart, keeps them as the apple of his eye, and preserves them safe to his kingdom and glory:
neither will he help the evil doers; meaning, not everyone that does evil, or sins, but such who live in sin, make a trade of sinning, are frequent and constant in the commission of it; such God will not help, or "take by the hand" s, in order to deliver from evil, as Gersom observes; to help them out of mischief and trouble their sins have brought upon them; or to strengthen them, support and uphold them, in their present circumstances, and much less so as to admit them to fellowship and communion with him: these words, with what follow, are Bildad's conclusion upon the sayings and sentiments of the ancients, which may be supposed, and are thought by some, to end at the preceding Job 8:19.

Gill: Job 8:21 - -- Till he fill thy mouth with laughing, and thy lips with rejoicing. Directing himself to Job; and suggesting, that if he was a perfect, sincere, and up...
Till he fill thy mouth with laughing, and thy lips with rejoicing. Directing himself to Job; and suggesting, that if he was a perfect, sincere, and upright man. God would not cast him away utterly, but help him out of his present circumstances, and restore him to prosperity; and not leave him until he had filled his heart with so much joy, that his mouth and lips, being also full of it, should break forth in strong expressions of it, and in the most exulting strains, as if it was a time of jubilee with him; see Psa 126:2; but Bildad tacitly insinuates that Job was not a perfect and good man but an evil doer, whom God had cast away and would not help; and this he concluded from the distressed circumstances he was now in; which was no rule of judgment, and a very unfair way of reasoning, since love and hatred are not to be known by outward prosperity and adversity, Ecc 9:1. Bar Tzemach interprets "laughing" as at his own goodness, and "rejoicing" as at the evil of the wicked.

Gill: Job 8:22 - -- They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame,.... The Chaldeans and Sabeans, who had plundered him of his substance, when they should see him resto...
They that hate thee shall be clothed with shame,.... The Chaldeans and Sabeans, who had plundered him of his substance, when they should see him restored to his former prosperity, beyond all hope and expectation, and themselves liable to his resentment, and under the displeasure of Providence: the phrase denotes utter confusion, and such as is visible as the clothes upon a man's back; see Psa 132:18,
and the dwelling place of the wicked shall come to naught; or, "shall not be" t; shall be no more; be utterly destroyed, and no more built up again; even such dwelling places they fancied would continue for ever, and perpetuate their names to the latest posterity; but the curse of God being in them, and upon them, they come to nothing, and are no more: thus ends Bildad's speech; Job's answer to it follows.

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NET Notes -> Job 8:11; Job 8:11; Job 8:12; Job 8:12; Job 8:12; Job 8:12; Job 8:12; Job 8:13; Job 8:13; Job 8:14; Job 8:14; Job 8:14; Job 8:14; Job 8:15; Job 8:15; Job 8:16; Job 8:16; Job 8:16; Job 8:16; Job 8:17; Job 8:17; Job 8:17; Job 8:17; Job 8:18; Job 8:18; Job 8:18; Job 8:18; Job 8:18; Job 8:19; Job 8:19; Job 8:19; Job 8:20; Job 8:20; Job 8:21; Job 8:21; Job 8:22; Job 8:22

NET Notes: Job 8:12 The LXX interprets the line: “does not any herb wither before it has received moisture?”

NET Notes: Job 8:13 The word חָנֵף (khanef) is often translated “hypocrite.” But the root verb means “to be profane,”...

NET Notes: Job 8:14 The second half of the verse is very clear. What the godless person relies on for security is as fragile as a spider’s web – he may as wel...

NET Notes: Job 8:15 The idea is that he grabs hold of the house, not to hold it up, but to hold himself up or support himself. But it cannot support him. This idea applie...

NET Notes: Job 8:16 Some have emended this phrase to obtain “over the roofs.” The LXX has “out of his corruption.” H. M. Orlinsky has shown that t...

NET Notes: Job 8:17 The idea seems to be that the stones around which the roots of the tree wrap themselves suggest strength and security for the tree, but uprooting come...


NET Notes: Job 8:19 As with the tree, so with the godless man – his place will soon be taken by another.


NET Notes: Job 8:21 “Laughter” (and likewise “gladness”) will here be metonymies of effect or adjunct, being put in place of the reason for the jo...

NET Notes: Job 8:22 “Shame” is compared to a garment that can be worn. The “shame” envisioned here is much more than embarrassment or disgrace ...
Geneva Bible: Job 8:11 Can the rush ( g ) grow up without mire? can the flag grow without water?
( g ) As a rush cannot grow without moisture, so the hypocrite because he d...

Geneva Bible: Job 8:14 Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust [shall be] a ( h ) spider's web.
( h ) Which is today and tomorrow swept away.

Geneva Bible: Job 8:16 He [is] ( i ) green before the sun, and his branch shooteth forth in his garden.
( i ) He compares the just to a tree, which although it is moved fro...

Geneva Bible: Job 8:18 If he destroy him from his place, then [it] shall ( k ) deny him, [saying], I have not seen thee.
( k ) That is, so that there remains nothing there ...

Geneva Bible: Job 8:19 Behold, this [is] the joy ( l ) of his way, and out of the earth shall others grow.
( l ) To be planted in another place, where it may grow as it ple...

Geneva Bible: Job 8:21 Till he fill thy mouth with ( m ) laughing, and thy lips with rejoicing.
( m ) If you are godly, he will give you opportunity to rejoice and if not y...

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TSK Synopsis -> Job 8:1-22
TSK Synopsis: Job 8:1-22 - --1 Bildad shews God's justice in dealing with men according to their works.8 He alleges antiquity to prove the certain destruction of the hypocrite.20 ...
Maclaren -> Job 8:14
Maclaren: Job 8:14 - --Two Kinds Of Hope
Whose hope shall be cut off, and whose trust shall be a spider's web.'--Job 8:14.
And hope maketh not ashamed.'--Romans 5:5.
THESE ...
MHCC -> Job 8:8-19; Job 8:20-22
MHCC: Job 8:8-19 - --Bildad discourses well of hypocrites and evil-doers, and the fatal end of all their hopes and joys. He proves this truth of the destruction of the hop...

MHCC: Job 8:20-22 - --Bildad here assures Job, that as he was so he should fare; therefore they concluded, that as he fared so he was. God will not cast away an upright man...
Matthew Henry -> Job 8:8-19; Job 8:20-22
Matthew Henry: Job 8:8-19 - -- Bildad here discourses very well on the sad catastrophe of hypocrites and evil-doers and the fatal period of all their hopes and joys. He will not b...

Matthew Henry: Job 8:20-22 - -- Bildad here, in the close of his discourse, sums up what he has to say in a few words, setting before Job life and death, the blessing and the curse...
Keil-Delitzsch: Job 8:11-15 - --
11 Doth papyrus grow up without mire?
Doth the reed shoot up without water?
12 It is still in luxuriant verdure, when it is not cut off,
Then bef...

Keil-Delitzsch: Job 8:16-19 - --
16 He dwells with sap in the sunshine,
And his branch spreads itself over his garden.
17 His roots intertwine over heaps of stone,
He looks upon ...

Keil-Delitzsch: Job 8:20-22 - --
20 Behold! God despiseth not the perfect man,
And taketh not evil-doers by the hand.
21 While He shall fill thy mouth with laughing,
And thy lips...
Constable: Job 4:1--14:22 - --B. The First Cycle of Speeches between Job and His Three Friends chs. 4-14
The two soliloquies of Job (c...

Constable: Job 8:1-22 - --3. Bildad's first speech ch. 8
Bildad agreed with Eliphaz that God was paying Job back for some ...

Constable: Job 8:11-19 - --Illustrations of Job's godlessness 8:11-19
The illustration of the water plant (vv. 11-1...
