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Text -- John 17:5 (NET)

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17:5 And now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory I had with you before the world was created.
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Robertson: Joh 17:5 - -- With thine own self ( para seautōi ). "By the side of thyself."Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship (cf. Joh ...

With thine own self ( para seautōi ).

"By the side of thyself."Jesus prays for full restoration to the pre-incarnate glory and fellowship (cf. Joh 1:1) enjoyed before the Incarnation (Joh 1:14). This is not just ideal pre-existence, but actual and conscious existence at the Father’ s side (para soi , with thee) "which I had"(hēi eichon , imperfect active of echō , I used to have, with attraction of case of hēn to hēi because of doxēi ), "before the world was"(pro tou ton kosmon einai ), "before the being as to the world"(cf. Joh 17:24). It is small wonder that those who deny or reject the deity of Jesus Christ have trouble with the Johannine authorship of this book and with the genuineness of these words. But even Harnack admits that the words here and in Joh 17:24 are "undoubtedly the reflection of the certainty with which Jesus himself spoke"( What Is Christianity , Engl. Tr., p. 132). But Paul, as clearly as John, believes in the actual pre-existence and deity of Jesus Christ (Phi 2:5-11).

Vincent: Joh 17:5 - -- With Thyself ( παρὰ σεαυτῷ ) In fellowship with Thyself. So with Thee (παρὰ σοί ).

With Thyself ( παρὰ σεαυτῷ )

In fellowship with Thyself. So with Thee (παρὰ σοί ).

Vincent: Joh 17:5 - -- I had Actually possessed.

I had

Actually possessed.

Wesley: Joh 17:5 - -- He does not say received - He always had it, till he emptied himself of it in the days of his flesh.

He does not say received - He always had it, till he emptied himself of it in the days of his flesh.

JFB: Joh 17:4-5 - -- Rather, "I glorified" (for the thing is conceived as now past).

Rather, "I glorified" (for the thing is conceived as now past).

JFB: Joh 17:4-5 - -- I finished.

I finished.

JFB: Joh 17:4-5 - -- It is very important to preserve in the translation the past tense, used in the original, otherwise it might be thought that the work already "finishe...

It is very important to preserve in the translation the past tense, used in the original, otherwise it might be thought that the work already "finished" was only what He had done before uttering that prayer; whereas it will be observed that our Lord speaks throughout as already beyond this present scene (Joh 17:12, &c.), and so must be supposed to include in His "finished work" the "decease which He was to accomplish at Jerusalem."

JFB: Joh 17:5 - -- In return.

In return.

JFB: Joh 17:5 - -- The "I Thee" and "Thou Me" are so placed in the original, each beside its fellow, as to show that A PERFECT RECIPROCITY OF SERVICES of the Son to the ...

The "I Thee" and "Thou Me" are so placed in the original, each beside its fellow, as to show that A PERFECT RECIPROCITY OF SERVICES of the Son to the Father first, and then of the Father to the Son in return, is what our Lord means here to express.

JFB: Joh 17:5 - -- When "in the beginning the Word was with God" (Joh 1:1), "the only-begotten Son in the bosom of the Father" (Joh 1:18). With this pre-existent glory, ...

When "in the beginning the Word was with God" (Joh 1:1), "the only-begotten Son in the bosom of the Father" (Joh 1:18). With this pre-existent glory, which He veiled on earth, He asks to be reinvested, the design of the veiling being accomplished--not, however, simply as before, but now in our nature.

Clarke: Joh 17:5 - -- Before the world was - That is, from eternity, before there was any creation - so the phrase, and others similar to it, are taken in the sacred writ...

Before the world was - That is, from eternity, before there was any creation - so the phrase, and others similar to it, are taken in the sacred writings; see Joh 17:24; Psa 90:2; Eph 1:4. See Joh 1:1. Let the glory of my eternal divinity surround and penetrate my humanity, in its resurrection, ascension, and in the place which it is to occupy at thy right hand, far above all creatures, Phi 2:6, Phi 2:9.

Calvin: Joh 17:5 - -- 5.The glory which I had with thee He desires to be glorified with the Father, not that the Father may glorify him secretly, without any witnesses,...

5.The glory which I had with thee He desires to be glorified with the Father, not that the Father may glorify him secretly, without any witnesses, but that, having been received into heaven, he may give a magnificent display of his greatness and power, that every knee may bow to him, (Phi 2:10.) Consequently, that phrase in the former clause, with the Father, is contrasted with earthly and fading glory, as Paul describes the blessed immortality of Christ, by saying that

he died to sin once, but now he liveth to God, (Rom 6:10.)

The glory which I had with thee before the world was He now declares that he desires nothing that does not strictly belong to him, but only that he may appear in the flesh, such as he was before the creation of the world; or, to speak more plainly, that the Divine majesty, which he had always possessed, may now be illustriously displayed in the person of the Mediator, and in the human flesh with which he was clothed. This is a remarkable passage, which teaches us that Christ is not a God who has been newly contrived, or who has existed only for a time; for if his glory was eternal, himself also has always been. Besides, a manifest distinction between the person of Christ and the person of the rather is here expressed; from which we infer, that he is not only the eternal God, but also that he is the eternal Word of God, begotten by the rather before all ages.

Defender: Joh 17:5 - -- Jesus was the eternal Word by whom God created the world (Joh 1:1-3; Eph 3:9; Heb 1:1-3), but Jesus laid aside His glory for a time (Phi 2:6-8) to fin...

Jesus was the eternal Word by whom God created the world (Joh 1:1-3; Eph 3:9; Heb 1:1-3), but Jesus laid aside His glory for a time (Phi 2:6-8) to finish God's work (Joh 17:4) with His creation."

TSK: Joh 17:5 - -- glorify : Joh 17:24, Joh 1:18, Joh 3:13, Joh 10:30, Joh 14:9; Pro 8:22-31; Phi 2:6; Col 1:15-17; Heb 1:3, Heb 1:10; 1Jo 1:2; Rev 5:9-14 before : Joh 1...

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Barnes: Joh 17:5 - -- With thine own self - In heaven, granting me a participation of the same honor which the Father has. He had just said that he had glorified God...

With thine own self - In heaven, granting me a participation of the same honor which the Father has. He had just said that he had glorified God on the earth, he now prays that God would glorify him in heaven.

With the glory - With the honor. This word also includes the notion of happiness, or everything which could render the condition blessed.

Before the world was - There could not be a more distinct and clear declaration of the pre-existence of Christ than this. It means before the creation of the world; before there was any world. Of course, the speaker here must have existed then, and this is equivalent to saying that he existed from eternity. See Joh 1:1-2; Joh 6:62; Joh 3:13; Joh 16:28. The glory which he had then was that which was proper to the Son of God, represented by the expression "being in the bosom of the Father"Joh 1:18, denoting intimacy, friendship, united felicity. The Son of God, by becoming incarnate, is represented as "humbling himself"(Greek: he "emptied himself"), Phi 2:8. He laid aside for a time the external aspect of honor, and consented to become despised, and to assume the form of a servant. He now prays that God would raise him up to the dignity and honor which he had before his incarnation. This is the state to which he is now exalted, with the additional honor of having made atonement for sin, and having opened the way to save a race of rebels from eternal death. The lowest condition on earth is frequently connected with the highest honors of heaven. Man looks on the outward appearance. God looks to him that is humble and of a contrite spirit.

Poole: Joh 17:5 - -- Let the glory which, as to my Divine nature, I had with thee before the foundation of the world, be communicated also to my human nature, that my wh...

Let the glory which, as to my Divine nature, I had with thee before the foundation of the world, be communicated also to my human nature, that my whole person may be made glorious. From hence is easily concluded, against those who deny the Godhead of Christ, that Christ was glorified with his Father before the world was, which he could not have been if he had not been eternal God. He here begs of his Father, that that glory might shine upon his person as Mediator.

Haydock: Joh 17:5 - -- And now, glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had with thee, before the world was. Glorify me, is the same as make me kno...

And now, glorify thou me, O Father, with thyself, with the glory which I had with thee, before the world was. Glorify me, is the same as make me known to men; so that the sense may be, make men know, that I had the same glory with thee, before the world was created, and from all eternity. Others understand, that Christ as man, here prays that his eternal Father would make known to men, that glory, which it was decreed from eternity should be given him: that is, that all creatures should be made subject to him, even as he was man, and appointed to be judge of the living and the dead. See 1 Corinthians xv. 26; Ephesians i. 22. (Witham)

Gill: Joh 17:5 - -- And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self,.... Not with his perfections, these he had, they dwelt bodily in him; or with his nature, in w...

And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self,.... Not with his perfections, these he had, they dwelt bodily in him; or with his nature, in which he was one with him; but as Mediator, with his glorious presence in heaven, by setting him at his right hand, and crowning him with glory and honour. The Jews have a notion that God will give to the King Messiah, מן הכבוד של מעלה, "of the supreme glory" g: the glory Christ prays for is, as he says,

the glory which I had with thee before the world was; the same phrase with לעולם, or קודם העולם, used by the Jews h. This is not to be understood of the glory of the human nature of Christ, abstractly considered; for that is no person of itself, but what is taken up into personal union with the Son of God; and therefore cannot be intended by this personal character I; nor did it exist from eternity; it was indeed written in God's book of predestination, even all its members, when as yet there were none of them in actual being; it was set up in God's thoughts and counsel, as the pattern and exemplar of human nature; it had a federal union with the Son of God, or a covenant subsistence with him; and in the Old Testament Christ was often spoken of as man, because of his frequent appearances in an human form, and because of the certainty of his incarnation; but he did not really and actually exist as man, until he took flesh of the virgin; for Christ, as man, is the seed of the woman, the son of David, Abraham, and Adam; he is called the last and second Adam, and was not as man before the first: the Old Testament speaks of his incarnation as future, nor is it possible that a creature can exist before time; for as soon as a creature exists, time begins, which is nothing else than the measure of a creature's duration; nor was the human nature of Christ with the Father from eternity; nor had it a glory before the world began, neither in whole, nor in part: nor is the glory of the divine nature abstractly considered here meant; this glory indeed Christ had from everlasting; he had it with his Father, in common with him, being in union to him; and it is true that it was in some measure veiled and covered in his state of humiliation; for though there were some breakings forth of it in that state, these were seen but by a few; wherefore he is thought by some, to pray here for the manifestation of this glory; but this glory was essential to him, was his natural right, and not to be prayed for, and which he then had as much as ever, and of which there could be no suspension: but this designs the glory of him as Godman, and Mediator; he was not only predestinated to be a Mediator, but was really set up as such from everlasting, and had a mediatorial fulness of grace put into his hands, and had the honour and glory of that office given unto him by the other two persons; and now that he might appear to be what he was, to be made, that is, made manifest that he was both Lord and Christ, he here prays; which was to be done, upon his ascension to heaven, and session at the right hand of God, by the pouring down of the Holy Ghost.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Joh 17:5 It is important to note that although Jesus prayed for a return to the glory he had at the Father’s side before the world was created, he was no...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Joh 17:1-26 - --1 Christ prays to his Father.

Combined Bible: Joh 17:1-5 - --of the Gospel of John    CHAPTER 57    Christ Interceding    John 17:1-5    The following is an Analysi...

Maclaren: Joh 17:1-19 - --The Intercessor These words spake Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said, Father, the hour is come; glorify Thy Son, that Thy Son also may...

MHCC: Joh 17:1-5 - --Our Lord prayed as a man, and as the Mediator of his people; yet he spoke with majesty and authority, as one with and equal to the Father. Eternal lif...

Matthew Henry: Joh 17:1-5 - -- Here we have, I. The circumstances of this prayer, Joh 17:1. Many a solemn prayer Christ made in the days of his flesh (sometimes he continued all n...

Barclay: Joh 17:1-5 - --For Jesus life had a climax, and that was the Cross. To him the Cross was the glory of life and the way to the glory of eternity. "The hour has com...

Barclay: Joh 17:1-5 - --(ii) Further, the Cross was the glory of Jesus because it was the completion of his work. "I have accomplished the work," he said, "which You gave...

Barclay: Joh 17:1-5 - --There is another important thought in this passage, for it contains the great New Testament definition of eternal life. It is eternal life to know G...

Constable: Joh 13:1--17:26 - --III. Jesus' private ministry chs. 13--17 The Synoptics integrate Jesus' ministry to the masses and His training ...

Constable: Joh 17:1-26 - --C. Jesus' high priestly prayer ch. 17 This part of Jesus' private ministry has many connections with the...

Constable: Joh 17:1-5 - --1. Jesus' requests for Himself 17:1-5 17:1 "These things Jesus spoke" (NASB, Gr. tauta elalesen Iesous) clearly connects what follows with what Jesus ...

College: Joh 17:1-26 - --JOHN 17 5. Jesus' Prayer (17:1-26) This chapter is often known as Jesus' " high priestly" prayer in which Jesus assumes a mediator role for his disc...

McGarvey: Joh 17:1-26 - -- CXXII. THE LORD'S PRAYER. (Jerusalem. Thursday night.) dJOHN XVII.    d1 These things spake Jesus; and lifting up his eyes to heaven ...

Lapide: Joh 17:1-23 - --1-25 CHAPTER 17 Ver. 1.— hese words spake Jesus, and lifted up His eyes to heaven and said, Father, the hour is come: glorify Thy Son, that Thy So...

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Evidence: Joh 17:5 Jesus’ unique words : Jesus declared that He was with the Father before the world came into existence, and that the Father loved Him before the foun...

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Introduction / Outline

Robertson: John (Book Introduction) THE Fourth Gospel By Way of Introduction Greatest of Books The test of time has given the palm to the Fourth Gospel over all the books of the wor...

JFB: John (Book Introduction) THE author of the Fourth Gospel was the younger of the two sons of Zebedee, a fisherman on the Sea of Galilee, who resided at Bethsaida, where were bo...

JFB: John (Outline) THE WORD MADE FLESH. (Joh 1:1-14) A SAYING OF THE BAPTIST CONFIRMATORY OF THIS. (Joh 1:15) SAME SUBJECT CONTINUED. (Joh 1:16-18) THE BAPTIST'S TESTIM...

TSK: John (Book Introduction) John, who, according to the unanimous testimony of the ancient fathers and ecclesiastical writers, was the author of this Gospel, was the son of Zebed...

TSK: John 17 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Joh 17:1, Christ prays to his Father.

Poole: John 17 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 17

MHCC: John (Book Introduction) The apostle and evangelist, John, seems to have been the youngest of the twelve. He was especially favoured with our Lord's regard and confidence, so ...

MHCC: John 17 (Chapter Introduction) (Joh 17:1-5) Christ's prayer for himself. (Joh 17:6-10) His prayer for his disciples. (v. 11-26) His prayer.

Matthew Henry: John (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Gospel According to St. John It is not material to enquire when and where this gospel was written; ...

Matthew Henry: John 17 (Chapter Introduction) This chapter is a prayer, it is the Lord's prayer, the Lord Christ's prayer. There was one Lord's prayer which he taught us to pray, and did not pr...

Barclay: John (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO SAINT JOHN The Gospel Of The EagleEye For many Christian people the Gospel according to St. John is the mos...

Barclay: John 17 (Chapter Introduction) The Glory Of The Cross (Joh_17:1-5) The Glory Of The Cross (Joh_17:1-5 Continued) Eternal Life (Joh_17:1-5 Continued) The Work Of Jesus (Joh_17...

Constable: John (Book Introduction) Introduction Writer The writer of this Gospel did not identify himself as such in the ...

Constable: John (Outline) Outline I. Prologue 1:1-18 A. The preincarnate Word 1:1-5 B. The witness...

Constable: John John Bibliography Allen, Ronald B. "Affirming Right-of-Way on Ancient Paths." Bibliotheca Sacra 153:609 (Januar...

Haydock: John (Book Introduction) THE HOLY GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, ACCORDING TO ST. JOHN. INTRODUCTION St. John, the evangelist, a native of Bathsaida, in Galilee, was the son ...

Gill: John (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO JOHN The author of this Gospel is John, the son of Zebedee and Salome, the brother of James the greater; he outlived the rest of th...

College: John (Book Introduction) PREFACE INTRODUCTION Even the casual reader of the New Testament will notice that the first three accounts of Jesus' life are generally similar in t...

College: John (Outline) OUTLINE A good outline is more than half the battle in one's understanding and remembering the contents of any book. There is more than one way to bre...

Lapide: John (Book Introduction) NOTICE TO THE READER. Gospel of John Intro ——o—— AS it has been found impossible to compress the Translation of the Commentary upon S. John...

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