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Text -- Proverbs 30:4 (NET)

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30:4 Who has ascended into heaven, and then descended? Who has gathered up the winds in his fists? Who has bound up the waters in his cloak? Who has established all the ends of the earth? What is his name, and what is his son’s name?– if you know!
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Wesley: Pro 30:4 - -- What mere man? None at all.

What mere man? None at all.

Wesley: Pro 30:4 - -- To learn the mind of God who dwells there.

To learn the mind of God who dwells there.

Wesley: Pro 30:4 - -- To teach men below what he had learned above. No man can fully know and teach us these things unless he hath been in heaven, and sent down from thence...

To teach men below what he had learned above. No man can fully know and teach us these things unless he hath been in heaven, and sent down from thence to the earth for that end.

Wesley: Pro 30:4 - -- To hold them in, or let them out at his pleasure? And none but he who made and governs all creatures, can know and teach these things.

To hold them in, or let them out at his pleasure? And none but he who made and governs all creatures, can know and teach these things.

Wesley: Pro 30:4 - -- Those above the clouds, and those below, the sea which God keeps as it were within doors, and the water which he shuts up in the bowels of the earth.

Those above the clouds, and those below, the sea which God keeps as it were within doors, and the water which he shuts up in the bowels of the earth.

Wesley: Pro 30:4 - -- The whole earth from one end to another, which God upholdeth in the air, by the word of his power.

The whole earth from one end to another, which God upholdeth in the air, by the word of his power.

Wesley: Pro 30:4 - -- If thou thinkest there be any man who can do these things, produce his name; or if he be dead, the name of any of his posterity.

If thou thinkest there be any man who can do these things, produce his name; or if he be dead, the name of any of his posterity.

JFB: Pro 30:2-4 - -- Stupid, a strong term to denote his lowly self-estimation; or he may speak of such as his natural condition, as contrasted with God's all-seeing compr...

Stupid, a strong term to denote his lowly self-estimation; or he may speak of such as his natural condition, as contrasted with God's all-seeing comprehensive knowledge and almighty power. The questions of this clause emphatically deny the attributes mentioned to be those of any creature, thus impressively strengthening the implied reference of the former to God (compare Deu 30:12-14; Isa 40:12; Eph 4:8).

Clarke: Pro 30:4 - -- Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? - Calmet paraphrases this passage thus: "Who hath descended, etc. In order to show the truth of what...

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? - Calmet paraphrases this passage thus: "Who hath descended, etc. In order to show the truth of what he was about to say, he observes: I have not the science of the saints; for how could I have acquired it? Who is he who could attain to that? Who has ascended to heaven to learn that science, and who has descended in order to publish it? Is the science of salvation one of those things that can be apprehended only by study? Is it not a pure gift of the goodness of God? Moses, after having shown to the people the will of God, said to them: ‘ This commandment which I command thee this day is not hidden from thee; neither is it far off. It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?’ Deu 30:11, Deu 30:12. The person whose words we are here examining speaks a knowledge more sublime than that contained in the simple laws of the Lord, common to all the people of Israel. He speaks of the sublime science of the designs of God, of his ways, and of his secrets; and in this sense he affirms he has no knowledge.

Clarke: Pro 30:4 - -- Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? - It is as difficult for a mortal man to acquire this Divine science by his own reason and strength, as to ...

Who hath gathered the wind in his fists? - It is as difficult for a mortal man to acquire this Divine science by his own reason and strength, as to collect the winds in his fists. And who can command the spirit of prophecy, so that he can have it whensoever he pleases

Clarke: Pro 30:4 - -- What is his name? - Show me the nature of this Supreme Being. Point out his eternity, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence; comprehend and describ...

What is his name? - Show me the nature of this Supreme Being. Point out his eternity, omniscience, omnipresence, omnipotence; comprehend and describe him, if thou canst

Clarke: Pro 30:4 - -- What is his son’ s name - Some copies of the Septuagint have η τι ονομα τοις τικνοιο αυτου ; "Or the name of his sons;...

What is his son’ s name - Some copies of the Septuagint have η τι ονομα τοις τικνοιο αυτου ; "Or the name of his sons;"meaning, I suppose, the holy angels, called his saints or holy ones, Pro 30:3

The Arabic has, What is his name? and what is the name of his father? him who begat him. But the Chaldee, the Syriac, and the Vulgate, read as the Hebrew

Many are of opinion that Agur refers here to the first and second persons of the everblessed Trinity. It may be so; but who would venture to rest the proof of that most glorious doctrine upon such a text, to say nothing of the obscure author? The doctrine is true, sublimely true; but many doctrines have suffered in controversy, by improper texts being urged in their favor. Every lover of God and truth should be very choice in his selections, when he comes forward in behalf of the more mysterious doctrines of the Bible. Quote nothing that is not clear: advance nothing that does not tell. When we are obliged to spend a world of critical labor, in order to establish the sense of a text which we intend to allege in favor of the doctrine we wish to support, we may rest assured that we are going the wrong way to work. Those who indiscriminately amass every text of Scripture they think bears upon the subject they defend, give their adversaries great advantage against them. I see many a sacred doctrine suffering through the bad judgment of its friends every day. The Godhead of Christ, salvation by faith, the great atoning sacrifice, and other essential doctrines of this class, are all suffering in this way. My heart says, with deep concern

Non tali auxilio, nec defensoribus istis

Tempus eget

When truth is assailed by all kinds of weapons, handled by the most powerful foes, injudicious defenders may be ranked among its enemies. To such we may innocently say, "Keep your cabins; you do assist the storm."

Defender: Pro 30:4 - -- The answer to the seven rhetorical questions in these verses can be none other than God Himself, together with His Son. The Lord Jesus gave the answer...

The answer to the seven rhetorical questions in these verses can be none other than God Himself, together with His Son. The Lord Jesus gave the answer to the first two questions 1000 years later in his conversation with Nicodemus (Joh 3:13).

Defender: Pro 30:4 - -- Here is strong Old Testament evidence that the God of creation has a Son, by whom, in fact, He formed the winds and the waters and all the ends of the...

Here is strong Old Testament evidence that the God of creation has a Son, by whom, in fact, He formed the winds and the waters and all the ends of the earth, and who finally descended from heaven to become the Son of man as well as Son of God. That Son's name was given later through the prophet Isaiah - "Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace" (Isa 9:6)."

TSK: Pro 30:4 - -- Who hath ascended : Deu 30:12; Joh 3:13; Rom 10:6; Eph 4:9, Eph 4:10 who hath gathered : Job 38:4-41; Psa. 104:2-35; Isa. 40:12-31, Isa 53:8 what is h...

Who hath ascended : Deu 30:12; Joh 3:13; Rom 10:6; Eph 4:9, Eph 4:10

who hath gathered : Job 38:4-41; Psa. 104:2-35; Isa. 40:12-31, Isa 53:8

what is his name : Exo 3:13-15, Exo 6:3, Exo 34:5-7; Deu 28:58

and what : Gen 32:29; Jdg 13:18; Psa 2:7; Isa 7:14, Isa 9:6; Jer 23:6; Mat 1:21-23; Mat 11:27; Luk 10:22

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Barnes: Pro 30:4 - -- Man is to be humbled to the dust by the thought of the glory of God as seen in the visible creation. Who hath ascended up into heaven, or desce...

Man is to be humbled to the dust by the thought of the glory of God as seen in the visible creation.

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended? - The thought is obviously that of the all-embracing Providence of God, taking in at once the greatest and the least, the highest and the lowest. The mysteries of the winds and of the waters baffle men’ s researches.

What is his son’ s name - The primary thought is that man knows so little of the divine nature that he cannot tell whether he may transfer to it the human relationships with which he is familiar, or must rest in the thought of a unity indivisible and incommunicable. If there is such an Only-begotten of the Father (compare Pro 8:30), then His nature, until revealed, must be as incomprehensible by us as that of the Father Himself.

Poole: Pro 30:4 - -- Who? what mere man? None at all; and therefore I may truly say, that I have not that which no mortal man ever yet had. Hath ascended up into heaven ...

Who? what mere man? None at all; and therefore I may truly say, that I have not that which no mortal man ever yet had.

Hath ascended up into heaven there to learn the mind of God who dwells there, and that wisdom which is from above.

Or descended or rather, and descended , to teach men below what he had learned above. The meaning of the place is, No man can fully know and teach us these things unless he hath been in heaven, and sent down from thence to the earth to that end; whence our Saviour Christ justly applies these words to himself, Joh 3:13 , and appropriates this work of declaring God’ s nature and will to men to himself, upon this account, that he alone was in his Father’ s bosom, Joh 1:18 .

Hath gathered the wind in his fists to hold them in, or let them out, and rule them at his pleasure. Where is there a man that can do this? And none but he who made and governs all the creatures can know and teach these things. The waters ; those above in the clouds, and those below, the sea, which God keeps as it were within doors , and in a garment and swaddling-band , as it is expressed, Job 38:8,9 ; and the waters which he shuts up in the bowels of the earth.

All the ends of the earth the whole earth, from one end to another, which God upholdeth in the air by the word of his power, and secureth from the rage of the sea, by the banks and shores wherewith he hath begirt it for that purpose.

What is his name, and what is his son’ s name, if thou canst tell? The sense is either,

1. Seeing it is apparent that no man hath this power, and consequently this knowledge, but that this is the prerogative of the great God, declare, if thou art able, his name, i.e. his nature and perfections, and the eternal generation and the perfections of his Son. Or rather,

2. If thou thinkest there be any such man who can do these things, I challenge thee to produce his name; or if he be long since dead, and gone out of the world, the name of any of his posterity that can assure us that their progenitor was such a person; which because thou canst not do, I must conclude that none can thoroughly understand this matter but the blessed God, and his Son Christ, and they to whom God shall reveal it by Christ.

Haydock: Pro 30:4 - -- Descended. How then could I acquire such a sublime science? (Deuteronomy xxx. 11.) (Calmet) --- Christ alone could impart it, (John iii. 13.; Hay...

Descended. How then could I acquire such a sublime science? (Deuteronomy xxx. 11.) (Calmet) ---

Christ alone could impart it, (John iii. 13.; Haydock) who is the perfect wisdom. (Worthington) ---

Hands. Septuagint, "breast." (Haydock) ---

It is no less difficult to fathom the designs of Providence. Some understand the "spirit" of prophecy to be here meant. ---

Son. Septuagint, "children." But many Greek copies, and all the interpreters, have Son, which the Fathers explain of the second person of the blessed Trinity, specified [in] chap. viii. 22. (Calmet)

Gill: Pro 30:4 - -- Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?.... That has been thither to fetch knowledge of God and divine things, and has returned to communicate...

Who hath ascended up into heaven, or descended?.... That has been thither to fetch knowledge of God and divine things, and has returned to communicate it. Enoch was taken up to heaven before this time: and Elijah, as is very probable, after; but neither of them returned again, to inform mortals what was to be seen, known, and enjoyed there: since, the Apostle Paul was caught up into the third heaven, and came back again; but then the things he heard were such as it was not lawful for a man to utter: and indeed, since the coming of Christ there is no need of any further revelation to be made nor of any such expedition, in order to obtain it, Rom 10:6. And, properly speaking, there never was any besides him, whose names are Ithiel and Ucal, that ever did this: he lay in the bosom of the Father, and was privy to his whole mind and will; he descended from heaven to earth not by local motion, but, by assumption of nature; and when he had made known his Father's will, and done his work, he ascended far above all heavens, and received gifts for men; to fill his churches and ministers with them, in order to communicate and improve spiritual and divine knowledge; and therefore, with great propriety and pertinence, he applies these words to himself, Joh 3:13;

who hath gathered the wind in his fists? not any mere creature; not any man or set of men; it is not in the power of any, either men or angels, to restrain or let loose the winds at pleasure; nor has Satan, though called the prince of the power of the air, that is, of the devils in the air, any such command of them; none but he that made them can command them to blow, or be still; even he who brings them out of his treasures, and his own son, whom the wind and seas obeyed; see Psa 135:7; The Heathens w themselves are so sensible of this, that the power of the winds only belongs to God, that they have framed a deity they call Aeolus; whom the supreme Being has made a kind of steward or store keeper of the winds, and given him a power to still or raise them as he pleases x;

who hath bound the waters in a garment? either the waters above, which are bound in the thick clouds as in a garment which hold them from pouring out; or the waters of the sea, which are as easily managed by the Lord as an infant by its parent, and is wrapped about with a swaddling band, Job 26:8. But can any creature do this? none but the mighty God; and his almighty Son the Ithiel and Ucal, who clothes the heavens with blackness, and makes sackcloth their covering: even he who is the Redeemer of this people, and has the tongue of the learned, to speak a word in season to them Isa 50:2;

who hath established all the ends of the earth? fixed the boundaries of the several parts of the world, Europe, Asia, Africa, and America, and the several countries in them? settled the foundations of the earth, and secured the banks and borders of it from the raging of the sea? None but these next mentioned; see Job 38:4;

what is his name, and what is his son's name, if thou canst tell? if thou surest it is a mere man that does all these things tell his name; or, if he be dead, say what is the name of his son or of any of his family; so Jarchi and others interpret it: or rather, since it is the Lord alone and his own proper Son, to whom these things can he ascribed say what is his name; that is, his nature and perfections which are incomprehensible and ineffable; otherwise he is known by his name Jehovah and especially as his name is proclaimed in Christ and manifested by him and in his Gospel: and seeing he has a son of the same nature with him, and possessed of the same perfections, co-essential, and co-existent, and every way equal to him, and a distinct person from him, say what is his nature and perfections also; declare his generation and the manner of it; his divine filiation, and in what class it is; things which are out of the reach of human capacity, and not to be expressed by the tongue of men and angels; see Mat 11:27. Otherwise, though his name for a while was a secret, and he was only called the seed of the woman and of Abraham, Gen 3:15; yet he had many names given him under the Old Testament; as Shiloh, Immanuel, the Wonderful, Counsellor, the mighty God, the everlasting Father, and Prince of peace; the Lord our righteousness, and the Man, the Branch: and under the New Testament, Jesus the Saviour, Christ the Anointed; the Head of the church, the Judge of the world; the Word of God, and King of kings, and Lord of lords. This Scripture is a proof of Christ's being the eternal Son of God; of his equality with his divine Father as such, their name and nature being alike ineffable; of his co-existence with his Father as such; and of his omnipresence and omnipotence, expressed by the phrases here used of ascending, &c. and of his distinct personality from the Father; the same question being distinctly put of him as of the Father. Some render the last clause, "dost thou know?" y thou dost not know God and his Son, their being and perfections are not to be known by the light of nature, only by revelation, and but imperfectly.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Pro 30:4 The reference to “son” in this passage has prompted many suggestions down through the years: It was identified as Israel in the Jewish Mid...

Geneva Bible: Pro 30:4 Who hath ascended into ( d ) heaven, or descended? who hath gathered the wind in his fists? who hath bound the waters in a garment? who hath establish...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Pro 30:1-33 - --1 Agur's confession of his faith.7 The two points of his prayer.10 The meanest are not to be wronged.11 Four wicked generations.15 Four things insatia...

MHCC: Pro 30:1-6 - --Agur speaks of himself as wanting a righteousness, and having done very foolishly. And it becomes us all to have low thoughts of ourselves. He speaks ...

Matthew Henry: Pro 30:1-6 - -- Some make Agur to be not the name of this author, but his character; he was a collector (so it signifies), a gatherer, one that did not compose ...

Keil-Delitzsch: Pro 30:4 - -- 4 Who hath ascended to the heavens and descended? Who hath grasped the wind in his fists? Who hath bound up the waters in a garment? Who hath set...

Constable: Pro 30:1--31:31 - --V. TWO DISCOURSES BY OTHER WISE MEN chs. 30--31 Chapters 30 and 31 form a distinct section in Proverbs because n...

Constable: Pro 30:1-33 - --A. The Wisdom of Agur ch. 30 The most distinctive features of Agur's proverbs are his numerical style of...

Constable: Pro 30:2-9 - --2. Wisdom about God 30:2-9 Agur began with three declarations. The subject of each is God. 30:2-4 Behind this ironical section one can perhaps imagine...

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Commentary -- Other

Evidence: Pro 30:4 His name is " I AM" and His Son’s name is Jesus Christ. See Psa 2:12 .

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: Proverbs (Book Introduction) THE NATURE AND USE OF PROVERBS.--A proverb is a pithy sentence, concisely expressing some well-established truth susceptible of various illustrations ...

TSK: Proverbs (Book Introduction) The wisdom of all ages, from the highest antiquity, has chosen to compress and communicate its lessons in short, compendious sentences, and in poetic ...

TSK: Proverbs 30 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Pro 30:1, Agur’s confession of his faith; Pro 30:7, The two points of his prayer; Pro 30:10, The meanest are not to be wronged; Pro 30:...

Poole: Proverbs 30 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 30 Agur’ s prophecy, Pro 30:1 ; wherein he acknowledgeth his own ignorance, Pro 30:2,3 . The purity of God’ s word, with the happ...

MHCC: Proverbs (Book Introduction) The subject of this book may be thus stated by an enlargement on the opening verses. 1. The Proverbs of Solomon, the son of David, king of Israel. 2. ...

Matthew Henry: Proverbs (Book Introduction) An Exposition, With Practical Observations, of The Proverbs We have now before us, I. A new author, or penman rather, or pen (if you will) made use o...

Matthew Henry: Proverbs 30 (Chapter Introduction) This and the following chapter are an appendix to Solomon's proverbs; but they are both expressly called prophecies in the first verses of both, by...

Constable: Proverbs (Book Introduction) Introduction Title The title of this book in the Hebrew Bible is "The Proverbs of Solo...

Constable: Proverbs (Outline) Outline I. Discourses on wisdom chs. 1-9 A. Introduction to the book 1:1-7 ...

Constable: Proverbs Proverbs Bibliography Aitken, Kenneth T. Proverbs. Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1986. Alden...

Haydock: Proverbs (Book Introduction) THE BOOK OF PROVERBS. INTRODUCTION. This book is so called, because it consists of wise and weighty sentences, regulating the morals of men; and...

Gill: Proverbs (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO PROVERBS This book is called, in some printed Hebrew copies, "Sepher Mishle", the Book of Proverbs; the title of it in the Vulgate ...

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