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Text -- Romans 9:8 (NET)

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9:8 This means it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God; rather, the children of promise are counted as descendants.
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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per phrase)

Robertson: Rom 9:8 - -- The children of the promise ( ta tekna tēs epaggelias ). Not through Ishmael, but through Isaac. Only the children of the promise are "children of ...

The children of the promise ( ta tekna tēs epaggelias ).

Not through Ishmael, but through Isaac. Only the children of the promise are "children of God"(tekna tou theou ) in the full sense. He is not speaking of Christians here, but simply showing that the privileges of the Jews were not due to their physical descent from Abraham. Cf. Luk 3:8.

Vincent: Rom 9:8 - -- That is The Old-Testament saying amounts to this.

That is

The Old-Testament saying amounts to this.

Vincent: Rom 9:8 - -- Children of the promise Originating from the divine promise. See Gal 4:23.

Children of the promise

Originating from the divine promise. See Gal 4:23.

Wesley: Rom 9:8 - -- _As if he had said, This is a clear type of things to come; showing us, that in all succeeding generations, not the children of the flesh, the lineal ...

_As if he had said, This is a clear type of things to come; showing us, that in all succeeding generations, not the children of the flesh, the lineal descendants of Abraham, but the children of the promise, they to whom the promise is made, that is, believers, are the children of God. Gen 21:12

JFB: Rom 9:7-9 - -- "Not in the line of mere fleshly descent from Abraham does the election run; else Ishmael, Hagar's child, and even Keturah's children, would be includ...

"Not in the line of mere fleshly descent from Abraham does the election run; else Ishmael, Hagar's child, and even Keturah's children, would be included, which they were not."

JFB: Rom 9:7-9 - -- The true election are such of Abraham's seed as God unconditionally chooses, as exemplified in that promise.

The true election are such of Abraham's seed as God unconditionally chooses, as exemplified in that promise.

JFB: Rom 9:7-9 - -- (Gen 21:12).

Clarke: Rom 9:8 - -- That is, They which are the children of the flesh - Whence it appears that not the children who descend from Abraham’ s loins, nor those who we...

That is, They which are the children of the flesh - Whence it appears that not the children who descend from Abraham’ s loins, nor those who were circumcised as he was, nor even those whom he might expect and desire, are therefore the Church and people of God; but those who are made children by the good pleasure and promise of God, as Isaac was, are alone to be accounted for the seed with whom the covenant was established.

Calvin: Rom 9:8 - -- 8.That is, They are not, etc. He now gathers from God’s answer a proposition, which includes the whole of what he had in view. For if Isaac, and no...

8.That is, They are not, etc. He now gathers from God’s answer a proposition, which includes the whole of what he had in view. For if Isaac, and not Ishmael, was the seed, though the one as well as the other was Abraham’s son, it must be that all natural sons are not to be regarded as the seed, but that the promise is specially fulfilled only in some, and that it does not belong commonly and equally to all. He calls those the children of the flesh, who have nothing superior to a natural descent; as they are the children of the promise, who are peculiarly selected by the Lord.

Defender: Rom 9:8 - -- Again this has a dual application. Only those Israelites who are saved by faith in Christ participate in God's ultimate promises to the nation of Isra...

Again this has a dual application. Only those Israelites who are saved by faith in Christ participate in God's ultimate promises to the nation of Israel. Likewise all who come to Christ by faith, whether Jew or Gentile, are spiritual children of Abraham, saved through the promised seed."

TSK: Rom 9:8 - -- They which : Rom 4:11-16; Gal 4:22-31 are counted : Gen 31:15; Psa 22:30, Psa 87:6; Joh 1:13; Gal 3:26-29, Gal 4:28; 1Jo 3:1, 1Jo 3:2

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Barnes: Rom 9:8 - -- They which are the children of the flesh - The natural descendants. These are not the children of God - Are not of necessity the adopted ...

They which are the children of the flesh - The natural descendants.

These are not the children of God - Are not of necessity the adopted children of God; or are not so in virtue of their descent merely. This was in opposition to one of the most settled and deeply cherished opinions of the Jews. They supposed that the mere fact of being a Jew, entitled a man to the blessings of the covenant, and to be regarded as a child of God. But the apostle shows them that it was not by their natural descent that these spiritual privileges were granted; that they were not conferred on people simply from the fact that they were Jews; and that consequently those who were not Jews might become interested in those spiritual blessings.

But the children of the promise - The descendants of Abraham on whom the promised blessings would be bestowed. The sense is, that God at first contemplated a distinction among the descendants of Abraham, and intended to confine his blessings to such as he chose; that is, to those to whom the promise particularly appertained, to the descendants of Isaac. The argument of the apostle is, that "the principle"was thus established that a distinction might be made among those who were Jews; and as that distinction had been made in former times, so it might be under the Messiah.

Are counted - Are regarded, or reckoned. God reckons things as they are; and therefore designed that they should be his true children.

As the seed - The spiritual children of God; the partakers of his mercy and salvation. This refers, doubtless, to spiritual privileges and to salvation; and therefore has relation not to nations as such, but to individuals.

Poole: Rom 9:8 - -- q.d. That I may speak more plainly, all those that are the children of Abraham according to the flesh, are not therefore the adopted children of God...

q.d. That I may speak more plainly, all those that are the children of Abraham according to the flesh, are not therefore the adopted children of God; it is not their blood, but their faith, must make them such. There are some of Abraham’ s seed, that are selected from the rest, to whom the promise was made, who are therefore called

children of the promise and of this sort are all they who are born after the Spirit, ( as Isaac is said to be, Gal 4:29 ), whether Jews or Gentiles. The sense of this verse is fully expressed, Gal 3:8,14,29 : see Gal 4:28 .

Gill: Rom 9:8 - -- That is, they which are the children of the flesh,.... This is an explanation of the foregoing verse, and shows, that by "the seed of" Abraham are mea...

That is, they which are the children of the flesh,.... This is an explanation of the foregoing verse, and shows, that by "the seed of" Abraham are meant, the natural seed of Abraham, who are born after the flesh, or descend from him by carnal generation:

these are not the children of God; that is, not all of them, nor any of them, on account of their being children of the flesh, or Abraham's natural seed; for adoption does not come this way; men do not commence children of God by their fleshly descent; they are not "born of blood", but of God, who are the sons of God:

but the children of the promise are counted for the seed; בני ברית "children of the covenant", is a common phrase with the Jews; who reckoned themselves as such, because they were the seed of Abraham: thus in their prayers they say e to God,

"we are thy people, בני בריתך, "the children of thy covenant", the children of Abraham thy friend.''

And so they were the children of the covenant, or promise, which God made with Abraham and his natural seed, respecting the land of Canaan, and their enjoyment of temporal good things in it; but they were not all of them the children of the promise, which God made to Abraham and his spiritual seed, whether Jews or Gentiles, respecting spiritual and eternal things; to whom alone the promises of God, being their God in a spiritual sense, of spiritual and eternal salvation by Christ, and of the grace of the Spirit of God, and of eternal life belong; and who are the seed which were promised to Abraham by God, saying, "thou shalt be a father of many nations", Gen 17:4, for which reasons, because these spiritual promises belong to them, and because they themselves were promised to Abraham, as his children, therefore they are called "children of the promise": or rather, because as Isaac was a child of promise, being born after the Spirit, by virtue of the promise of God, through his divine power and goodness, when there were no ground or foundation in nature, for Abraham and Sarah to hope for a son; so these are called "children of promise", Gal 4:28, because they are born again, not through the power of nature, and strength of their own free will; they are not born of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God, according to the will of God and his abundant mercy, by the word of truth, through his power, Spirit, and grace; and by faith receive the promises made unto them; and are counted and reckoned as "Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise", Gal 3:29, whether they be Jews, or whether they be Gentiles: and since now the promises of God are all made good to these persons, the word of God is not without effect, or is not made void, by the casting off the children of the flesh, or the carnal seed of Abraham, who were not children of the promise in the sense now given.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Rom 9:8 The expression the children of the flesh refers to the natural offspring.

Geneva Bible: Rom 9:8 ( 5 ) That is, They which are the children of the ( k ) flesh, these [are] not the children of God: but the children of the ( l ) promise are counted ...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Rom 9:1-33 - --1 Paul is sorry for the Jews.7 All of Abraham not of the promise.18 God's sovereignty.25 The calling of the Gentiles and rejecting of the Jews, foreto...

MHCC: Rom 9:6-13 - --The rejection of the Jews by the gospel dispensation, did not break God's promise to the patriarchs. The promises and threatenings shall be fulfilled....

Matthew Henry: Rom 9:6-13 - -- The apostle, having made his way to that which he had to say, concerning the rejection of the body of his countrymen, with a protestation of his own...

Barclay: Rom 9:7-13 - --If the Jews have rejected and crucified Jesus, the Son of God, is that to say that God's purposes were frustrated and his plan defeated? Paul produ...

Constable: Rom 9:1--11:36 - --V. THE VINDICATION OF GOD'S RIGHTEOUSNESS chs. 9--11 A major problem concerning God's righteousness arises out o...

Constable: Rom 9:1-33 - --A. Israel's past election ch. 9 Paul began by tracing God's dealings with Israel in the past. ...

Constable: Rom 9:6-13 - --2. God's election of Israel 9:6-13 Paul's train of thought unfolds as follows in these verses. Because God's election of Israel did not depend on natu...

College: Rom 9:1-33 - --9:1-11:36 - PART FOUR THE FAITHFULNESS OF GOD IN HIS DEALINGS WITH THE JEWS We now begin our consideration of one of the most difficult sections of...

McGarvey: Rom 9:8 - --That is, it is not the children of the flesh [of Abraham] that are [reckoned or accounted as] children of God; but the children of the promise are rec...

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Introduction / Outline

Robertson: Romans (Book Introduction) The Epistle to the Romans Spring of a.d. 57 By Way of Introduction Integrity of the Epistle The genuineness of the Epistle is so generally adm...

JFB: Romans (Book Introduction) THE GENUINENESS of the Epistle to the Romans has never been questioned. It has the unbroken testimony of all antiquity, up to CLEMENT OF ROME, the apo...

JFB: Romans (Outline) INTRODUCTION. (Rom. 1:1-17) THE JEW UNDER LIKE CONDEMNATION WITH THE GENTILE. (Rom. 2:1-29) JEWISH OBJECTIONS ANSWERED. (Rom 3:1-8) THAT THE JEW IS S...

TSK: Romans (Book Introduction) The Epistle to the Romans is " a writing," says Dr. Macknight, " which, for sublimity and truth of sentiment, for brevity and strength of expression,...

TSK: Romans 9 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Rom 9:1, Paul is sorry for the Jews; Rom 9:7, All of Abraham not of the promise; Rom 9:18, God’s sovereignty; Rom 9:25, The calling of ...

Poole: Romans 9 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 9

MHCC: Romans (Book Introduction) The scope or design of the apostle in writing to the Romans appears to have been, to answer the unbelieving, and to teach the believing Jew; to confir...

MHCC: Romans 9 (Chapter Introduction) (Rom 9:1-5) The apostle's concern that his countrymen were strangers to the gospel. (Rom 9:6-13) The promises are made good to the spiritual seed of ...

Matthew Henry: Romans (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Epistle of St. Paul to the Romans If we may compare scripture with scripture, and take the opinion ...

Matthew Henry: Romans 9 (Chapter Introduction) The apostle, having plainly asserted and largely proved that justification and salvation are to had by faith only, and not by the works of the law,...

Barclay: Romans (Book Introduction) A GENERAL INTRODUCTION TO THE LETTERS OF PAUL The Letters Of Paul There is no more interesting body of documents in the New Testament than the letter...

Barclay: Romans 9 (Chapter Introduction) The Problem Of The Jews (Rom_9:1-6) In Rom 9-11 Paul tries to deal with one of the most bewildering problems that the Church has to solve--the probl...

Constable: Romans (Book Introduction) Introduction Historical Background Throughout the history of the church, from postapos...

Constable: Romans (Outline) Outline I. Introduction 1:1-17 A. Salutation 1:1-7 1. The writer 1:1 ...

Constable: Romans Romans Bibliography Alford, Henry. The Greek Testament. 4 vols. New ed. Cambridge: Rivingtons, 1881. ...

Haydock: Romans (Book Introduction) THE EPISTLE OF ST. PAUL, THE APOSTLE, TO THE ROMANS. INTRODUCTION. After the Gospels, which contain the history of Christ, and the Acts of...

Gill: Romans (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO ROMANS Though this epistle is in order placed the first of the epistles, yet it was not first written: there were several epistles ...

Gill: Romans 9 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO ROMANS 9 The apostle having discoursed of justification and sanctification, and of the privileges of justified and sanctified ones,...

College: Romans (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION I. ROMANS: ITS INFLUENCE AND IMPORTANCE God's Word is a lamp to our feet and a light for our path (Ps 119:105), and no part of it shine...

College: Romans (Outline) VIII. OUTLINE PROLOGUE - 1:1-17 I. EPISTOLARY GREETING - 1:1-7 A. The Author Introduces Himself - 1:1 1. A Slave of Christ Jesus 2. Call...

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