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Text -- Ecclesiastes 4:15-16 (NET)

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4:15 I considered all the living who walk on earth, as well as the successor who would arise in his place. 4:16 There is no end to all the people nor to the past generations, yet future generations will not rejoice in him. This also is profitless and like chasing the wind.
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Wesley: Ecc 4:15 - -- The general disposition of common people, in all kingdoms, that they are fickle and inconstant.

The general disposition of common people, in all kingdoms, that they are fickle and inconstant.

Wesley: Ecc 4:15 - -- This may be understood of the king's child, or son and heir, called second, in respect of his father, whose successor he is.

This may be understood of the king's child, or son and heir, called second, in respect of his father, whose successor he is.

Wesley: Ecc 4:15 - -- Arise to reign.

Arise to reign.

Wesley: Ecc 4:16 - -- This humour of the common people hath no end, but passes from one generation to another.

This humour of the common people hath no end, but passes from one generation to another.

Wesley: Ecc 4:16 - -- Before the present generation. And so here are three generations of people noted, the authors of the present change, and their parents, and their chil...

Before the present generation. And so here are three generations of people noted, the authors of the present change, and their parents, and their children; and all are observed to have the same inclinations.

Wesley: Ecc 4:16 - -- They shall be as weary of the successor, though a wise and worthy prince, as their parents were of his foolish predecessor.

They shall be as weary of the successor, though a wise and worthy prince, as their parents were of his foolish predecessor.

JFB: Ecc 4:15 - -- "I considered all the living," the present generation, in relation to ("with") the "second youth" (the "legitimate successor" of the "old king," as op...

"I considered all the living," the present generation, in relation to ("with") the "second youth" (the "legitimate successor" of the "old king," as opposed to the "poor youth," the one first spoken of, about to be raised from poverty to a throne), that is, Rehoboam.

JFB: Ecc 4:15 - -- The old king's.

The old king's.

JFB: Ecc 4:16 - -- Notwithstanding their now worshipping the rising sun, the heir-apparent, I reflected that "there were no bounds, no stability (2Sa 15:6; 2Sa 20:1), no...

Notwithstanding their now worshipping the rising sun, the heir-apparent, I reflected that "there were no bounds, no stability (2Sa 15:6; 2Sa 20:1), no check on the love of innovation, of all that have been before them," that is, the past generation; so

JFB: Ecc 4:16 - -- That is, the next generation,

That is, the next generation,

JFB: Ecc 4:16 - -- Namely, Rehoboam. The parallel, "shall not rejoice," fixes the sense of "no bounds," no permanent adherence, though now men rejoice in him.

Namely, Rehoboam. The parallel, "shall not rejoice," fixes the sense of "no bounds," no permanent adherence, though now men rejoice in him.

Clarke: Ecc 4:15 - -- With the second child that shall stand up - The Targum applies this to the case of Jeroboam and Rehoboam. History affords many instances of mean per...

With the second child that shall stand up - The Targum applies this to the case of Jeroboam and Rehoboam. History affords many instances of mean persons raised to sovereign authority, and of kings being reduced to the meanest offices, and to a morsel of bread. Agrippa himself ascended the throne of Israel after having been long in prison. See Josephus, Ant. lib. 18: c. 8. This the heathens attributed to fortune

Si fortuna volet, fies de rhetore consul

Si volet haec eadem, fies de consule rhetor

Juv. Sat. vii., ver. 197

Though I have given what the Jews suppose to be the allusion in these verses, yet the reader may doubt whether the reference be correct. There is a case implied, whether from fact or assumption I cannot say; but it seems to be this

A king who had abused the authority vested in him by oppressing the people, had a son whose prudent conduct promised much comfort to the nation, when he should come to the throne. The father, seeing the popular wish, and becoming jealous of his son, shut him up in prison. In the interim the old king either dies or is deposed, and the son is brought out of prison, and placed on the throne. Then (Ecc 4:15, Ecc 4:16) multitudes of the people flock to him, and begin to walk under the sun; i.e., the prosperous state to which the nation is raised by its redemption from the former tyranny. However, the wise man insinuates that this sunshine will not last long. The young king, feeling the reins in his own hands, and being surrounded by those whose interest it was to flatter in order to obtain and continue in court favor, he also becomes corrupted so that those who come after shall have no cause of rejoicing in him. This appears to be the case; and similar cases have frequently occurred, not only in Asiatic, but also in European history, I have, in another place, referred to the case of Rushn Achter, who was brought out of prison and set upon the throne of Hindoostan. This is expressed in the following elegant Persian couplet, where his fortune is represented as similar to that of the patriarch Joseph: -

"The bright star is now become a moon

Joseph is taken out of prison, and become a king.

Rushn Achter signifies a bright or splendid star.

Clarke: Ecc 4:16 - -- There is no end of all the people - This is supposed to refer to the multitudes of people who hail the advent and accession of a new sovereign; for,...

There is no end of all the people - This is supposed to refer to the multitudes of people who hail the advent and accession of a new sovereign; for, as Suetonius remarks, A plerisque adorari solem orientem, "Most people adore the rising sun."But when the new king becomes old, very few regard him; and perhaps he lives long enough to be as much despised by the very persons who before were ready to worship him. This is also a miserable vanity. Thus the blooming heir: -

"Shall feel the sad reverse: honored awhile

Then, like his sire, contemn’ d, abhorr’ d, forgot.

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TSK: Ecc 4:15 - -- child : 2Sa 15:6

child : 2Sa 15:6

TSK: Ecc 4:16 - -- no end : 2Sa 15:12, 2Sa 15:13; 1Ki 1:5-7, 1Ki 1:40, 1Ki 12:10-16 they also : Jdg 9:19, Jdg 9:20; 2Sa 18:7, 2Sa 18:8, 2Sa 19:9 this : Ecc 1:14, Ecc 2:1...

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Commentary -- Word/Phrase Notes (per Verse)

Barnes: Ecc 4:13-16 - -- These verses set forth the vanity of earthly prosperity even on a throne. Opinion as to their application is chiefly divided between considering the...

These verses set forth the vanity of earthly prosperity even on a throne. Opinion as to their application is chiefly divided between considering them a parable or fiction like that of the childless man in Ecc 4:8 : or as setting forth first the vicissitudes of royal life in two proverbial sayings Ecc 4:13-14, and then Ecc 4:15-16, the vicissitudes or procession of the whole human race, one generation giving place to another, Which in its turn will be forgotten by its successor. On the whole, the first appears to have the better claim.

Ecc 4:13

Child - Rather, young man.

Ecc 4:14

Rather: For out of the house of bondage he goes forth to be a king; although he was born poor in his kingdom, i. e., in the country over which he became king.

Ecc 4:15

I considered ... - literally, I saw "all the population of the young man’ s kingdom."

The second child - This second youth is generally understood to be identical with the one mentioned in Ecc 4:13.

Ecc 4:16

There is - Rather: There was.

That have been before them - Rather, before whom he was, i. e., at the head of whom the young king was. Compare Mic 2:13.

They also that ... him - i. e., The next generation shall forget this chosen king.

Poole: Ecc 4:15 - -- I considered all the living the general disposition or humour of common people in all kingdoms, that they are fickle and inconstant, weary of their o...

I considered all the living the general disposition or humour of common people in all kingdoms, that they are fickle and inconstant, weary of their old governors, and desirous of changes.

Which walk under the sun: this is a periphrasis, or description of living and mortal men, like that Ecc 7:11 , that see the sun.

With the second child: these words may be joined either,

1. With those which walk , or, that they walk under the sun, (i.e. upon the earth,) with the second child , i.e. follow, and favour, and worship him as the rising sun, upon whom the eyes and hopes of most people are fixed. Or,

2. With the first words,

I considered all the living which walk under the sun i.e. the temper of all subjects or people, together

with the condition of the second child which may be understood either,

1. In general, of a king’ s child , or son and heir, who is called second , in respect of his father, whose successor he is to be. Or,

2. That wise and poor child mentioned Ecc 4:13 , who is said to come to reign , Ecc 4:14 , and may well be called the second to the old and foolish king who became poor , Ecc 4:15 , being deposed from his kingdom, whom he succeeds, being put in his place either by the humour of the people, or by some higher power.

Stand up i.e. arise to reign, as that phrase signifies, Dan 8:22,23 11:2,3,7,20,21 .

Poole: Ecc 4:16 - -- There is no end of all the people: the sense is either, 1. The people which have this humour are without end, or innumerable, as this phrase signifi...

There is no end of all the people: the sense is either,

1. The people which have this humour are without end, or innumerable, as this phrase signifies, Job 22:5 Isa 2:7 9:7 . Or,

2. This humour of the common people hath no end, but passeth from one generation to another; they ever were, and are, and will be unstable and restless, and given to change; which sense the following words seem to favour.

Before them either,

1. Before the two kings above mentioned, the father and the son, or the predecessor and successor. All those who stood or desired to stand in their presence, and waited upon them, as this phrase is used, 2Sa 16:19 1Ki 10:8 . Or rather,

2. Before the present generation of subjects, who earnestly desired and promoted the change of government here expressed; for these are evidently opposed to them that come after , which all interpreters understand of the people, not of the kings. And so here are three generations of people noted, the authors of the present change, and their parents, and their children, and all are observed to have the same inclinations in these matters.

Shall not rejoice in him they shall be as weary of the successor, though a wise and worthy prince, as their parents were of his foolish predecessor; the reason whereof is partly from that itch of novelty and curiosity which is natural and common to mankind, and partly from their vain and foolish hopes of advantage from such changes.

Haydock: Ecc 4:15 - -- Second heir. (Menochius) --- "They adore the rising (Papinius) more than the setting sun;["] (Plut.[Plutarch?] Pomp.) and a person is no sooner on ...

Second heir. (Menochius) ---

"They adore the rising (Papinius) more than the setting sun;["] (Plut.[Plutarch?] Pomp.) and a person is no sooner on the throne than his successor begins to be courted: (ver. 16.) so inconstant are mortals! (Calmet)

Haydock: Ecc 4:16 - -- In him. Many are perfectly unacquainted with the king, who finds so many admirers about his person, and even of these the greatest part begin to be ...

In him. Many are perfectly unacquainted with the king, who finds so many admirers about his person, and even of these the greatest part begin to be presently disgusted, and wish for another change.

Gill: Ecc 4:15 - -- I considered all the living which walk under the sun,.... All men that were then alive, who were capable of walking upon the earth; even all of them t...

I considered all the living which walk under the sun,.... All men that were then alive, who were capable of walking upon the earth; even all of them that were under the heavens, in every land and nation, under whatsoever dominion or government: these, and their manners, Solomon had particularly observed, and made his remarks upon, by which it appeared how fickle the minds of the populace were under every government, and how precarious and uncertain were the honour and dignity of princes;

with the second child that shall stand up in his stead: the heir and successor or every prince, that shall rise up and take the throne of his father or predecessor, and reign in his stead. The wise man observed how the people commonly behaved towards him; how that they generally stood best affected to him, than to the reigning prince; worshipped the rising sun, courted his favour and friendship, soothed and flattered him; expressing their wishes to see him on the throne, and treated with neglect and contempt their lawful sovereign. Some, contrary to the accents, connect this with the word "walk" h; that walk with the second child, join themselves to him, converse with him, and show him great respect and honour: and there are others that, by this second child, understand the poor and wise child, that succeeds the old and foolish king, whom yet, in time, the people grow weary of; such is the levity and inconstancy of people, that they are not long pleased with princes, old or young, wise or foolish. The Targum interprets this of the foresight Solomon had, by a spirit of prophecy, of those that rebelled against his son Rehoboam, and of those that cleaved unto him, who was his second, and reigned in his stead. Noldius i thinks Solomon refers to the history of his friend Hiram, king of Tyre, whose kingdom, in his and in his son's time, was very large, flourishing, and opulent, but in a following reign not so; and he renders and paraphrases the words thus,

""I saw all the works under the sun; with Baleazarus, the son of a friend" (Hiram, for שני, rendered "second", is the same as חבר, "a friend"), "who shall stand" or "reign after him: there is no end of all the people",'' &c.

the kingdom in those two reigns being flourishing; yet posterity shall not rejoice in him, in Abdastratus, the grandson of Hiram, destroyed by the four sons of his nurse k.

Gill: Ecc 4:16 - -- There is no end of all the people, even of all that have been before them,.... Before the present generation, the living that walked under the sun; ...

There is no end of all the people, even of all that have been before them,.... Before the present generation, the living that walked under the sun; a vast number they were that lived before them, and they were of the same restless temper and disposition; changeable in their affection and behaviour towards their governors; no end of their number, nor any stable affection for, nor settled satisfaction in, their rulers; but this itch of novelty, of having new princes over them, went from age to age, from generation to generation. Some understand this of the king and his son, the predecessor and successor, and of those that went before them; and of their behaviour to the kings that reigned before them; the people have not their end or satisfaction in their governors, but are restless: which comes to the same sense;

they also that come after shall not rejoice in him; that come after the present generation, and after both the reigning prince, and even after his successor; they will not rejoice long in him that shall be upon the throne after them, any more than the present subjects of the old king, or those that now pay their court to the heir apparent; they will be so far from rejoicing in him, that they will loath and despise him, and wish him dead or dethroned, and another in his room.

Surely this also is vanity and vexation of spirit; to a king, to see himself thus used by his subjects; for a short time extolled and praised, and then despised and forsaken.

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Commentary -- Verse Notes / Footnotes

NET Notes: Ecc 4:15 The verb עָמַד (’amad, “to stand”) may denote “to arise; to appear; to come on the scene” ...

NET Notes: Ecc 4:16 The word “like” does not appear in the Hebrew text, but is supplied in the translation for clarity.

Geneva Bible: Ecc 4:15 I considered all the living who walk under the sun, ( k ) with the second child that shall stand up in his stead. ( k ) Who follow and flatter the ki...

Geneva Bible: Ecc 4:16 [There is] no ( l ) end of all the people, [even] of all that have been before them: they also that come after shall not rejoice in him. Surely this a...

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Commentary -- Verse Range Notes

TSK Synopsis: Ecc 4:1-16 - --1 Vanity is increased unto men by oppression;4 by envy;5 by idleness;7 by covetousness;9 by solitariness;13 by wilfulness.

MHCC: Ecc 4:13-16 - --People are never long easy and satisfied; they are fond of changes. This is no new thing. Princes see themselves slighted by those they have studied t...

Matthew Henry: Ecc 4:13-16 - -- Solomon was himself a king, and therefore may be allowed to speak more freely than another concerning the vanity of kingly state and dignity, which ...

Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 4:15-16 - -- "I saw all the living which walk under the sun on the side of the youth, the second who shall enter upon the place of the former: no end of all the ...

Constable: Ecc 2:18--6:10 - --B. General Observations 2:18-6:9 Thus far Solomon had reflected on the futility of all human endeavor ge...

Constable: Ecc 4:4-16 - --3. The motivations of labor 4:4-16 The phrase "vanity and striving after wind" (vv. 4, 16) brack...

Constable: Ecc 4:13-16 - --Position and prestige 4:13-16 It is also futile to work to gain advancement and populari...

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Introduction / Outline

JFB: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) The Hebrew title is Koheleth, which the speaker in it applies to himself (Ecc 1:12), "I, Koheleth, was king over Israel." It means an Assembler or Con...

JFB: Ecclesiastes (Outline) INTRODUCTION. (Ecc. 1:1-18)

TSK: Ecclesiastes 4 (Chapter Introduction) Overview Ecc 4:1, Vanity is increased unto men by oppression; Ecc 4:4, by envy; Ecc 4:5, by idleness; Ecc 4:7, by covetousness; Ecc 4:9, by solita...

Poole: Ecclesiastes 4 (Chapter Introduction) CHAPTER 4 The vanity of oppression, by reason of which the dead and the unborn are better than the living, Ecc 4:1-3 . Of envy, sloth, quarrel, Ecc...

MHCC: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) The name of this book signifies " The Preacher." The wisdom of God here preaches to us, speaking by Solomon, who it is evident was the author. At the...

MHCC: Ecclesiastes 4 (Chapter Introduction) (Ecc 4:1-3) Miseries from oppression. (Ecc 4:4-6) Troubles from envy. (Ecc 4:7, Ecc 4:8) The folly of covetousness. (Ecc 4:9-12) The advantages of ...

Matthew Henry: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) An Exposition, with Practical Observations, of The Book of Ecclesiastes We are still among Solomon's happy men, his happy servants, that stood contin...

Matthew Henry: Ecclesiastes 4 (Chapter Introduction) Solomon, having shown the vanity of this world in the temptation which those in power feel to oppress and trample upon their subjects, here further...

Constable: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) Introduction Title The title of this book in the Hebrew text is all of verse 1. The Se...

Constable: Ecclesiastes (Outline)

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Haydock: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) ECCLESIASTES. INTRODUCTION. This Book is called Ecclesiastes, or the preacher, (in Hebrew, Coheleth ) because in it Solomon, as an excelle...

Gill: Ecclesiastes (Book Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO ECCLESIASTES This book has been universally received into the canon of the Scriptures, by Jews and Christians. The former, indeed, ...

Gill: Ecclesiastes 4 (Chapter Introduction) INTRODUCTION TO ECCLESIASTES 4 In this chapter the wise man reassumes the consideration of the case of the abuse of power, to show that there is no...

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