
Text -- Judges 7:24--8:3 (NET)




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That is, the passes over those waters to which they are like to come.

The fords of Jordan, which they must pass over into their own country.

Wesley: Jdg 7:25 - -- For Gideon in the pursuit had passed over Jordan. Oreb and Zeeb had probably taken shelter, the one in a rock, the other by a wine - press. But the pl...
For Gideon in the pursuit had passed over Jordan. Oreb and Zeeb had probably taken shelter, the one in a rock, the other by a wine - press. But the places of their shelter were made the places of their slaughter, and the memory of it preserved in the names of the places.

Wesley: Jdg 8:1 - -- _Why hast thou neglected and despised us, in not calling us in to thy help, as thou didst other tribes? These were a proud people, puffed up with a co...
_Why hast thou neglected and despised us, in not calling us in to thy help, as thou didst other tribes? These were a proud people, puffed up with a conceit of their number and strength, and the preference which Jacob gave them above Manasseh, of which tribe Gideon was, who by this act had seemed to advance his own tribe, and to depress theirs.

Wesley: Jdg 8:2 - -- _What I have done in cutting off some of the common soldiers, is not to be compared with your destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have ...
_What I have done in cutting off some of the common soldiers, is not to be compared with your destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have finished.

Wesley: Jdg 8:2 - -- What you have gleaned or done after me, Of Abiezer - That is, of the Abiezrites, to whom he modestly communicates the honour of the victory, and does ...
What you have gleaned or done after me, Of Abiezer - That is, of the Abiezrites, to whom he modestly communicates the honour of the victory, and does not arrogate it to himself.

His soft and humble answer allayed their rage.
The Ephraimites lay on the south and could render seasonable aid.

JFB: Jdg 7:24-25 - -- (See on Jdg 3:28). These were the northern fords of the Jordan, to the east-northeast of wady Maleh.
(See on Jdg 3:28). These were the northern fords of the Jordan, to the east-northeast of wady Maleh.

JFB: Jdg 7:24-25 - -- A new conflict ensued, in which two secondary chiefs were seized and slain on the spots where they were respectively taken. The spots were named after...
A new conflict ensued, in which two secondary chiefs were seized and slain on the spots where they were respectively taken. The spots were named after these chiefs, Oreb, "the Raven," and Zeeb, "the Wolf"--appropriate designations of Arab leaders.

JFB: Jdg 8:1 - -- Where this complaint was made, whether before or after the crossing of the Jordan, cannot be determined. By the overthrow of the national enemy, the E...
Where this complaint was made, whether before or after the crossing of the Jordan, cannot be determined. By the overthrow of the national enemy, the Ephraimites were benefited as largely as any of the other neighboring tribes. But, piqued at not having been sharers in the glory of the victory, their leading men could not repress their wounded pride; and the occasion only served to bring out an old and deep-seated feeling of jealous rivalry that subsisted between the tribes (Isa 9:21). The discontent was groundless, for Gideon acted according to divine directions. Besides, as their tribe was conterminous with that of Gideon, they might, had they been really fired with the flame of patriotic zeal, have volunteered their services in a movement against the common enemy.

JFB: Jdg 8:2-3 - -- His mild and truly modest answer breathes the spirit of a great as well as good man, who was calm, collected, and self-possessed in the midst of most ...
His mild and truly modest answer breathes the spirit of a great as well as good man, who was calm, collected, and self-possessed in the midst of most exciting scenes. It succeeded in throwing oil on the troubled waters (Pro 16:1), and no wonder, for in the height of generous self-denial, it ascribes to his querulous brethren a greater share of merit and glory than belonged to himself (1Co 13:4; Phi 2:3).
Clarke: Jdg 7:24 - -- Take before them the waters unto Beth-barah - This is probably the same place as that mentioned Joh 1:28, where the Hebrews forded Jordan under the ...
Take before them the waters unto Beth-barah - This is probably the same place as that mentioned Joh 1:28, where the Hebrews forded Jordan under the direction of Joshua. To this place the Midianites directed their flight that they might escape into their own country; and here, being met by the Ephraimites, they appear to have been totally overthrown, and their two generals taken.

Clarke: Jdg 7:25 - -- They slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb - These two generals had taken shelter, one in the cavern of the rock, the other in the vat of a winepress; both o...
They slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb - These two generals had taken shelter, one in the cavern of the rock, the other in the vat of a winepress; both of which places were from this circumstance, afterwards called by their names

Clarke: Jdg 7:25 - -- Brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon - Oreb signifies a raven and Zeeb a wolf. In all ancient nations we find generals and princes taking th...
Brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon - Oreb signifies a raven and Zeeb a wolf. In all ancient nations we find generals and princes taking their names from both birds and beasts; the Romans had their Gracchi , jackdaws; Corvini , crows; Aquilini , eagles, etc. We have the same in our Crows, Wolfs, Lyons, Hawkes, Bulls, Kidds, etc. Among barbarous nations the head of the conquered chief was often brought to the conqueror. Pompey’ s head was brought to Caesar; Cicero’ s head, to Mark Antony; the heads of Ahab’ s children, to Jehu, etc. These barbarities are not often practiced now, except among the Mohammedans or the savages of Africa and America; and for the credit of human nature it is a pity that such barbarous atrocities had ever been committed.

Clarke: Jdg 8:1 - -- The men of Ephraim said - This account is no doubt displaced; for what is mentioned here could not have taken place till the return of Gideon from t...
The men of Ephraim said - This account is no doubt displaced; for what is mentioned here could not have taken place till the return of Gideon from the pursuit of the Midianites; for he had not yet passed Jordan, Jdg 8:4. And it was when he was beyond that river that the Ephraimites brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to him, Jdg 7:25.

Clarke: Jdg 8:2 - -- Is not the gleaning, etc. - That is, The Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men; and he supports the assertion b...
Is not the gleaning, etc. - That is, The Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men; and he supports the assertion by observing that it was they who took the two Midianitish generals, having discomfited their hosts at the passes of Jordan.

Clarke: Jdg 8:3 - -- Then their anger was abated - A soft answer turneth away wrath. He might have said that he could place but little dependence on his brethren when, t...
Then their anger was abated - A soft answer turneth away wrath. He might have said that he could place but little dependence on his brethren when, through faint-heartedness, 22,000 left him at one time; but he passed this by, and took a more excellent way.
TSK: Jdg 7:24 - -- sent : Jdg 3:27; Rom 15:30; Phi 1:27
take before : Jdg 3:28, Jdg 12:5
Bethbarah : Probably the same as Betha-bara, beyond Jordan, and at the ford wher...

TSK: Jdg 7:25 - -- two princes : Jdg 8:3; Psa 83:11, Psa 83:12
rock : Jos 7:26; Isa 10:26
Oreb : Eusebius and Jerome speak of a small place called Araba, three miles wes...
two princes : Jdg 8:3; Psa 83:11, Psa 83:12
Oreb : Eusebius and Jerome speak of a small place called Araba, three miles west from Scythopolis, which is supposed by some to have had its name from Oreb.
and brought : Among ancient nations, the head of the conquered chief was usually brought to the conqueror. Thus Pompey’ s head was brought to Cesar, Cicero’ s head to Mark Anthony, and the heads of Ahab’ s children to Jehu. These barbarities are seldom practised now, except among the Mahommedans, or the savages of Africa and America; and for the credit of human nature, it is to be wished that such atrocities had never been committed.
on the other side : The words

TSK: Jdg 8:1 - -- the men : Jdg 12:1-6; 2Sa 19:41; Job 5:2; Ecc 4:4; Jam 4:5, Jam 4:6
Why : etc. Heb. What thing is this thou hast done unto us, sharply. Heb. strongly...

TSK: Jdg 8:2 - -- What : 1Co 13:4-7; Gal 5:14, Gal 5:15; Phi 2:2, Phi 2:3; Jam 1:19, Jam 1:20, Jam 3:13-18
Is not the : That is, the Ephraimites have performed more imp...
What : 1Co 13:4-7; Gal 5:14, Gal 5:15; Phi 2:2, Phi 2:3; Jam 1:19, Jam 1:20, Jam 3:13-18
Is not the : That is, the Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men had achieved.

TSK: Jdg 8:3 - -- God : Jdg 7:24, Jdg 7:25; Psa 44:3, Psa 115:1, Psa 118:14-16; Joh 4:37; Rom 12:3, Rom 12:6, Rom 15:18, Rom 15:19; Phi 2:3
Then : Pro 15:1, Pro 16:32, ...

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Barnes: Jdg 7:24 - -- The waters - The streams which run from the mountain district of Ephraim into the Jordan in the district of Beth-shan, forming great pools and ...
The waters - The streams which run from the mountain district of Ephraim into the Jordan in the district of Beth-shan, forming great pools and marshes, which the Midianites fleeing south would have to cross before they could reach the Jordan fords.
All the men of Ephraim - They had taken no previous part in the rising against Midian: nor had Gideon, of the smaller tribe of Manasseh, presumed before to summon his more powerful and arrogant brethren of the great tribe of Ephraim (see Jos 17:14-18).

Barnes: Jdg 8:1 - -- The success of Gideon’ s enterprise mortified the pride of Ephraim, as the chief tribe, seeing that they had played a subordinate part. Compare...
The success of Gideon’ s enterprise mortified the pride of Ephraim, as the chief tribe, seeing that they had played a subordinate part. Compare Jdg 12:1.

Barnes: Jdg 8:2 - -- A civil war with the great tribe of Ephraim would soon have turned Israel’ s victory into mourning. Gideon therefore soothes their wounded prid...
A civil war with the great tribe of Ephraim would soon have turned Israel’ s victory into mourning. Gideon therefore soothes their wounded pride by confessing that Ephraim had done more, though they had joined him so late in the day, than he had been able to effect in the whole campaign. The grape-gleaning of Ephraim was better than the whole vintage of Abi-ezer.
Poole: Jdg 7:24 - -- Take before them the waters unto Beth-barah i.e. the passes over those waters to which they are like to come.
And Jordan the fords of Jordan, which...
Take before them the waters unto Beth-barah i.e. the passes over those waters to which they are like to come.
And Jordan the fords of Jordan, which river they must pass over into their own country.

Poole: Jdg 7:25 - -- For Gideon in the pursuit had passed over Jordan, as we read, Jud 8:4 , which, though mentioned after this, may seem to have been done before it, su...
For Gideon in the pursuit had passed over Jordan, as we read, Jud 8:4 , which, though mentioned after this, may seem to have been done before it, such transpositions being frequent in sacred story. Or, on this side Jordan , for the Hebrew word is indifferent to both sides: see Gen 1:10 . And so this is opposed to what follows of his passing over Jordan, Jud 8:4 . And then there is no anticipation here.

Poole: Jdg 8:2 - -- What was done was done by God’ s immediate making them one to kill another; what I have done, in cutting off some of the fugitive common soldie...
What was done was done by God’ s immediate making them one to kill another; what I have done, in cutting off some of the fugitive common soldiers, is not to be compared with your exploit in destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have finished.
The gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim what you have gleaned or done after me.
Of Abi-ezer , i.e. of the Abi-ezrites , to whom he modestly communicateth the honour of the victory, and doth not arrogate it to himself, as generals commonly do.
Haydock: Jdg 7:24 - -- Bethbera, "the house of corn." (Serarius) ---
Many take it to be Bethabera, "the house of passage," or the ford of the Jordan. The river was forda...
Bethbera, "the house of corn." (Serarius) ---
Many take it to be Bethabera, "the house of passage," or the ford of the Jordan. The river was fordable on camels at any time. But in summer, people might cross the Jordan in many places on foot. (Calmet)

Haydock: Jdg 7:25 - -- Two men. That is, two of their chiefs. (Challoner) ---
Press. Hebrew yekeb, denotes a cistern fit to contain wine, Isaias v. 2., and Proverbs ...
Two men. That is, two of their chiefs. (Challoner) ---
Press. Hebrew yekeb, denotes a cistern fit to contain wine, Isaias v. 2., and Proverbs iii. 10. ---
Zeb had concealed himself in it. ---
Jordan. They afterwards took occasion from this exploit to extol their own valour, and to quarrel with Gedeon. (Calmet)

Haydock: Jdg 8:1 - -- Ephraim. The valour and insolence of these men are placed together. Afterwards we have an account of the transactions of Gedeon in the pursuit, ver...
Ephraim. The valour and insolence of these men are placed together. Afterwards we have an account of the transactions of Gedeon in the pursuit, ver. 4. (Haydock) ---
The tribe of Ephraim seems to have had some grounds for being displeased at not being summoned at first, as well as the tribes of Aser, &c., which were farther off; particularly as they sprang from Joseph, no less than Manasses, and had their portion in common. The general answers them with great respect, as otherwise their displeasure might have had very pernicious consequences. (Calmet)

Haydock: Jdg 8:2 - -- What could I, &c. A meek and humble answer appeased them; who otherwise might have come to extremities. So great is the power of humility both with...
What could I, &c. A meek and humble answer appeased them; who otherwise might have come to extremities. So great is the power of humility both with God and man. (Challoner) (Proverbs xv. 1.) ---
Could. Hebrew and Septuagint, "What have I yet done like you? (Menochius) ---
Is not the gleaning?" &c. I only commenced the war; you have brought it to a happy termination, by killing the princes of the enemy. (Debrio adag. 157.) At the first siege of Troy, Telamon having entered the city before Hercules, the latter was on the point of killing him, when Telamon, collecting a heap of stones, which he said he intended for an altar in honour of "the victorious Hercules," the hero's fury was appeased. (Apol. Bibl. ii. 6.)
Gill: Jdg 7:24 - -- And Gideon sent messengers throughout all Mount Ephraim,.... To raise the inhabitants of it, who lay nearer Jordan, to which the Midianites would make...
And Gideon sent messengers throughout all Mount Ephraim,.... To raise the inhabitants of it, who lay nearer Jordan, to which the Midianites would make, in order to intercept them in their flight; or however get possession of the fords of Jordan before them, and hinder their passage over it:
saying, come down against the Midianites; for though he had routed them, and they were fled before him, yet he had not men enough with him to destroy them; and besides, as they had their camels to ride on, and he and his men only on foot, they could not come up with them:
and take before them the waters unto Bethbarah and Jordan; namely, all the fords and passages over Jordan, reaching from the lake of Gennesaret to Bethbarah, the same with Bethabara, Joh 1:28 which was a passage over Jordan; or these waters were, as Kimchi thinks, distinct from those of Jordan; and were waters that lay in the way of the flight of the Midianites, before they came to Bethbarah, their passage over Jordan; and Jarchi thinks they were waters, which divided between Syria and the land of Canaan, which is not likely; others think the waters are the same with Jordan, and render the words, "take the waters" --even Jordan o; gain the passes over that before them, and so prevent their escape to their own land:
then all the men of Ephraim; that is, great numbers of them, whose hearts were inclined to, and whose situation lay best for this service:
gathered themselves together; in a body, at some place of rendezvous appointed:
and took the waters unto Bethbarah and Jordan; took possession of all the passes, and guarded them, as Gideon directed.

Gill: Jdg 7:25 - -- And they took two princes of the Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb,.... The one signifies a "raven", and the other a "wolf"; which were either nicknames given...
And they took two princes of the Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb,.... The one signifies a "raven", and the other a "wolf"; which were either nicknames given them because of their voraciousness and cruelty, or which they took themselves, or their ancestors before them, to make themselves terrible to others; so the Romans had the families of the Corvini, &c.
and they slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb; perhaps they found him in a cave of the rock, and dragging him out slew him, from whence the rock afterwards had its name. So we read of the rock Corax in Homer p, which was in Ithaca, and another high mountain of the same name in Aetolia, mentioned by Livy q and which signifies the same as Oreb. This is a different rock or mountain from Horeb, the same with Sinai, from whence the law was given; which always ought to be written with an "H" or "Ch", to distinguish it from this; though that is written Oreb by Lactantius r, and so by Milton s, contrary to the propriety of the language:
and Zeeb they slew at the winepress of Zeeb; the Targum is, the plain of Zeeb, which, as Kimchi and Ben Gersom suppose, was in the form of a winepress, having high lips or hills around it, and which afterwards took its name from this prince being slain in it:
and pursued Midian; the rest of the Midianites, even beyond Jordan, those that got over it:
and brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to Gideon on the other side Jordan; that is, when he had passed over it the next morning, as Jarchi remarks; for after this we read of Gideon's going over Jordan, Jdg 8:4 unless this is said by way of anticipation; though the phrase will bear to be rendered, "on this side Jordan", for it signifies both. It seems they cut off the heads of those two princes, and presented them to Gideon, as it has been usual to bring the heads of enemies to kings and conquerors; see 1Sa 17:54.

Gill: Jdg 8:1 - -- And the men of Ephraim said unto him,.... To Gideon, when they brought him the heads of Oreb and Zeeb; taking this to be a proper opportunity to expos...
And the men of Ephraim said unto him,.... To Gideon, when they brought him the heads of Oreb and Zeeb; taking this to be a proper opportunity to expostulate and chide with him, when they had done so much service:
why hast thou served us thus; neglected them, overlooked them, which they took as a reproach to them, and as if he had bore them ill will:
that thou calledst us not when thou wentest to fight with the Midianites? that he did not call them first, when he called other tribes, as Asher, Zebulun, and Naphtali, when they were as near or nearer, and more nearly allied, being both the descendants of Joseph; and were the tribe that Jacob had given the preference to; and being of proud spirits they envied the glory that Gideon, who was of the tribe of Manasseh, had got; and by which they were jealous he would advance that tribe above theirs:
and they did chide with him sharply; used rough words and ill language, and threw out many keen and biting expressions, which discovered great anger and wrath, envy and ill will.

Gill: Jdg 8:2 - -- And he said unto them,.... In a very mild and gentle manner, giving soft words, which turn away wrath:
what have I done in comparison of you? he an...
And he said unto them,.... In a very mild and gentle manner, giving soft words, which turn away wrath:
what have I done in comparison of you? he and his men, he signifies, had only blew trumpets, broke pitchers, and held torches; it was the Lord that did all, and set the Midianites one against another to slay each other; and in the pursuit as yet he had only picked up and slain some common soldiers, they had taken two princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb, and had brought their heads in triumph to him:
is not the gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim better than the vintage of Abiezer? the family of Abiezer, of which Gideon was; the meaning is, that whereas he began the fight, which may be called the vintage, and they had finished it, which was like gleaning; yet what they did last was much preferable to what was done by him at first; or the princes of Midian, which they had taken in the pursuit, and was like gleaning after a vintage, were equal, yea, superior to all the camp of Midian, or that part of it that had fallen into his hands. The Targum is,"are not the weak of the house of Ephraim better than the strong of the house of Abiezer?''

Gill: Jdg 8:3 - -- God hath delivered into your hands the princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb,.... A high honour this conferred upon you, and with which you may be well con...
God hath delivered into your hands the princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb,.... A high honour this conferred upon you, and with which you may be well contented:
and what was I able to do in comparison of you? what he had done in defeating and pursuing the army of Midian, in slaying and taking any of them prisoners, was nothing in comparison of what they had done; nay, he signifies that he was not capable of doing anything worth mentioning without them; the glory of finishing this conquest was reserved for them:
then their anger was abated towards him when he had said that; it being what gratified their pride and was pleasing to them; and this conduct of Gideon showed him to be a wise and humble man.

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NET Notes: Jdg 7:25 Heb “beyond the Jordan.” The word “River” is not in the Hebrew text but has been supplied in the translation for clarity (also...


NET Notes: Jdg 8:2 Ephraim’s leftover grapes are better quality than Abiezer’s harvest. Gideon employs an agricultural metaphor. He argues that Ephraim’...

Geneva Bible: Jdg 7:24 And Gideon sent messengers throughout all mount Ephraim, saying, Come down against the Midianites, and take before them the ( m ) waters unto Bethbara...

Geneva Bible: Jdg 7:25 And they took two princes of the Midianites, Oreb and Zeeb; and they slew Oreb upon the rock Oreb, and Zeeb they slew at ( n ) the winepress of Zeeb, ...

Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:1 And the men of Ephraim said unto him, ( a ) Why hast thou served us thus, that thou calledst us not, when thou wentest to fight with the Midianites? A...

Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:2 And he said unto them, What have I done now in comparison of ( b ) you? [Is] not the ( c ) gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim better than the vintage o...

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TSK Synopsis -> Jdg 7:1-25; Jdg 8:1-35
TSK Synopsis: Jdg 7:1-25 - --1 Gideon's army of two and thirty thousand is brought to three hundred.9 He is encouraged by the dream and interpretation of the burley cake.16 His st...

TSK Synopsis: Jdg 8:1-35 - --1 Gideon pacifies the Ephraimites.4 Succoth and Penuel refuse to deliver Gideon's army.10 Zebah and Zalmunna are taken.13 Succoth and Penuel are destr...
MHCC -> Jdg 7:23-25; Jdg 8:1-3
MHCC: Jdg 7:23-25 - --Two chief commanders of the host of Midian were taken and slain by the men of Ephraim. It were to be wished that we all did as these did, and that whe...

MHCC: Jdg 8:1-3 - --Those who will not attempt or venture any thing in the cause of God, will be the most ready to censure and quarrel with such as are of a more zealous ...
Matthew Henry -> Jdg 7:23-25; Jdg 8:1-3
Matthew Henry: Jdg 7:23-25 - -- We have here the prosecution of this glorious victory. 1. Gideon's soldiers that had been dismissed, and perhaps had begun to disperse themselves, u...

Matthew Henry: Jdg 8:1-3 - -- No sooner were the Midianites, the common enemy, subdued, than, through the violence of some hot spirits, the children of Israel were ready to quarr...
Keil-Delitzsch -> Jdg 7:24-25; Jdg 8:1-3
Keil-Delitzsch: Jdg 7:24-25 - --
In order to cut off the retreat of the enemy who was flying to the Jordan, Gideon sent messengers into the whole of the mountains of Ephraim with th...

Keil-Delitzsch: Jdg 8:1-3 - --
When the Ephraimites met with Gideon, after they had smitten the Midianites at Oreb and Zeeb, and were pursuing them farther, they said to him, " Wh...
Constable -> Jdg 3:7--17:1; Jdg 5:1--7:25; Jdg 6:1--10:6; Jdg 6:1--8:33; Jdg 7:1-25; Jdg 7:23-25; Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:1--16:31; Jdg 8:1--9:57

Constable: Jdg 5:1--7:25 - --A. Previous Failures vv. 5-7
Jude cited three examples of failure from the past to warn his readers of t...

Constable: Jdg 6:1--10:6 - --D. The fourth apostasy 6:1-10:5
The writer of Judges structured this book so the story of Gideon would b...

Constable: Jdg 6:1--8:33 - --1. The story of Gideon 6:1-8:32
Tanner also pointed out that the Gideon narrative consists of fi...

Constable: Jdg 7:1-25 - --3. The example of certain pagans v. 7
This example shows God's judgment on those who practice im...

Constable: Jdg 7:23-25 - --Pursuit of the enemy 7:23-25
The pursuit described in these verses may have take...

Constable: Jdg 8:1-3 - --The resentment of the Ephraimites 8:1-3
Gideon had not invited the men of Ephrai...

Constable: Jdg 8:1--16:31 - --B. Present Failures vv. 8-16
Jude next expounded the errors of the false teachers in his day to warn his...

Constable: Jdg 8:1--9:57 - --1. The nature of the error vv. 8-9
v. 8 Jude now pinpointed the three errors he had just illustrated and accused the false teachers of all three: lust...
Guzik -> Jdg 7:1-25; Jdg 8:1-35
Guzik: Jdg 7:1-25 - --Judges 7 - The Battle Against Midian
A. Israel's small army is too big for God to use.
1. (1-3) God tells Gideon to tell all his soldiers who are af...
