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Text -- Judges 8:1-12 (NET)
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Wesley: Jdg 8:1 - -- _Why hast thou neglected and despised us, in not calling us in to thy help, as thou didst other tribes? These were a proud people, puffed up with a co...
_Why hast thou neglected and despised us, in not calling us in to thy help, as thou didst other tribes? These were a proud people, puffed up with a conceit of their number and strength, and the preference which Jacob gave them above Manasseh, of which tribe Gideon was, who by this act had seemed to advance his own tribe, and to depress theirs.
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Wesley: Jdg 8:2 - -- _What I have done in cutting off some of the common soldiers, is not to be compared with your destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have ...
_What I have done in cutting off some of the common soldiers, is not to be compared with your destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have finished.
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Wesley: Jdg 8:2 - -- What you have gleaned or done after me, Of Abiezer - That is, of the Abiezrites, to whom he modestly communicates the honour of the victory, and does ...
What you have gleaned or done after me, Of Abiezer - That is, of the Abiezrites, to whom he modestly communicates the honour of the victory, and does not arrogate it to himself.
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His soft and humble answer allayed their rage.
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Wesley: Jdg 8:6 - -- _Art thou so foolish, to think with thy three hundred faint and weary soldiers, to conquer and destroy an host of fifteen thousand Men? Thus the bowel...
_Art thou so foolish, to think with thy three hundred faint and weary soldiers, to conquer and destroy an host of fifteen thousand Men? Thus the bowels of their compassion were shut up against their brethren. Were these Israelites! Surely they were worshippers of Baal, or in the interest of Midian.
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Another city beyond Jordan; both were in the tribe of Gad.
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Your confidence in which makes you thus proud and presumptuous.
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That is, persons expert and exercised in war, besides the retainers to them.
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Wesley: Jdg 8:11 - -- That is, of the Arabians, so fetching a compass, and falling upon them where they least expected it.
That is, of the Arabians, so fetching a compass, and falling upon them where they least expected it.
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Wesley: Jdg 8:11 - -- Being now got safe over Jordan, and a great way from the place of battle; and probably, supposing Gideon's men to be so tired with their hard service,...
Being now got safe over Jordan, and a great way from the place of battle; and probably, supposing Gideon's men to be so tired with their hard service, that they would have neither strength nor will to pursue them so far.
JFB: Jdg 8:1 - -- Where this complaint was made, whether before or after the crossing of the Jordan, cannot be determined. By the overthrow of the national enemy, the E...
Where this complaint was made, whether before or after the crossing of the Jordan, cannot be determined. By the overthrow of the national enemy, the Ephraimites were benefited as largely as any of the other neighboring tribes. But, piqued at not having been sharers in the glory of the victory, their leading men could not repress their wounded pride; and the occasion only served to bring out an old and deep-seated feeling of jealous rivalry that subsisted between the tribes (Isa 9:21). The discontent was groundless, for Gideon acted according to divine directions. Besides, as their tribe was conterminous with that of Gideon, they might, had they been really fired with the flame of patriotic zeal, have volunteered their services in a movement against the common enemy.
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JFB: Jdg 8:2-3 - -- His mild and truly modest answer breathes the spirit of a great as well as good man, who was calm, collected, and self-possessed in the midst of most ...
His mild and truly modest answer breathes the spirit of a great as well as good man, who was calm, collected, and self-possessed in the midst of most exciting scenes. It succeeded in throwing oil on the troubled waters (Pro 16:1), and no wonder, for in the height of generous self-denial, it ascribes to his querulous brethren a greater share of merit and glory than belonged to himself (1Co 13:4; Phi 2:3).
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JFB: Jdg 8:4 - -- Much exhausted, but eager to continue the pursuit till the victory was consummated.
Much exhausted, but eager to continue the pursuit till the victory was consummated.
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JFB: Jdg 8:5 - -- That is, a place of tents or booths. The name seems to have been applied to the whole part of the Jordan valley on the west, as well as on the east si...
That is, a place of tents or booths. The name seems to have been applied to the whole part of the Jordan valley on the west, as well as on the east side of the river, all belonging to the tribe of Gad (compare Gen 33:17; 1Ki 7:46; with Jos 13:27). Being engaged in the common cause of all Israel, he had a right to expect support and encouragement from his countrymen everywhere.
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JFB: Jdg 8:6 - -- An insolent as well as a time-serving reply. It was insolent because it implied a bitter taunt that Gideon was counting with confidence on a victory w...
An insolent as well as a time-serving reply. It was insolent because it implied a bitter taunt that Gideon was counting with confidence on a victory which they believed he would not gain; and it was time-serving, because living in the near neighborhood of the Midianite sheiks, they dreaded the future vengeance of those roving chiefs. This contumelious manner of acting was heartless and disgraceful in people who were of Israelitish blood.
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JFB: Jdg 8:7 - -- A cruel torture, to which captives were often subjected in ancient times, by having thorns and briers placed on their naked bodies and pressed down by...
A cruel torture, to which captives were often subjected in ancient times, by having thorns and briers placed on their naked bodies and pressed down by sledges, or heavy implements of husbandry being dragged over them.
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JFB: Jdg 8:8 - -- A neighboring city, situated also in the territory of Gad, near the Jabbok, and honored with this name by Jacob (Gen 32:30-31).
A neighboring city, situated also in the territory of Gad, near the Jabbok, and honored with this name by Jacob (Gen 32:30-31).
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JFB: Jdg 8:9 - -- Intent on the pursuit, and afraid of losing time, he postponed the merited vengeance till his return. His confident anticipation of a triumphant retur...
Intent on the pursuit, and afraid of losing time, he postponed the merited vengeance till his return. His confident anticipation of a triumphant return evinces the strength of his faith; and his specific threat was probably provoked by some proud and presumptuous boast, that in their lofty watchtower the Penuelites would set him at defiance.
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JFB: Jdg 8:10 - -- A town on the eastern confines of Gad. The wreck of the Midianite army halted there.
A town on the eastern confines of Gad. The wreck of the Midianite army halted there.
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JFB: Jdg 8:11 - -- He tracked the fugitives across the mountain range of Gilead to the northeast of the Jabbok, and there came upon them unexpectedly while they were res...
He tracked the fugitives across the mountain range of Gilead to the northeast of the Jabbok, and there came upon them unexpectedly while they were resting secure among their own nomadic tribes. Jogbehah is supposed to be Ramoth-gilead; and, therefore, the Midianites must have found refuge at or near Abela, "Abel-cheramim," "the plain of the vineyards."
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JFB: Jdg 8:12 - -- A third conflict took place. His arrival at their last quarters, which was by an unwonted path, took the fugitives by surprise, and the conquest of th...
A third conflict took place. His arrival at their last quarters, which was by an unwonted path, took the fugitives by surprise, and the conquest of the Midianite horde was there completed.
Clarke: Jdg 8:1 - -- The men of Ephraim said - This account is no doubt displaced; for what is mentioned here could not have taken place till the return of Gideon from t...
The men of Ephraim said - This account is no doubt displaced; for what is mentioned here could not have taken place till the return of Gideon from the pursuit of the Midianites; for he had not yet passed Jordan, Jdg 8:4. And it was when he was beyond that river that the Ephraimites brought the heads of Oreb and Zeeb to him, Jdg 7:25.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:2 - -- Is not the gleaning, etc. - That is, The Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men; and he supports the assertion b...
Is not the gleaning, etc. - That is, The Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men; and he supports the assertion by observing that it was they who took the two Midianitish generals, having discomfited their hosts at the passes of Jordan.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:3 - -- Then their anger was abated - A soft answer turneth away wrath. He might have said that he could place but little dependence on his brethren when, t...
Then their anger was abated - A soft answer turneth away wrath. He might have said that he could place but little dependence on his brethren when, through faint-heartedness, 22,000 left him at one time; but he passed this by, and took a more excellent way.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:4 - -- Faint, yet pursuing - The Vulgate paraphrases this, et prae lassitudine, fugientes persequi non poterant ; "and, through fatigue, unable to pursue ...
Faint, yet pursuing - The Vulgate paraphrases this, et prae lassitudine, fugientes persequi non poterant ; "and, through fatigue, unable to pursue the fugitives."
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Clarke: Jdg 8:5 - -- Give, I pray you, loaves of bread - As Gideon was engaged in the common cause of Israel, he had a right to expect succor from the people at large. H...
Give, I pray you, loaves of bread - As Gideon was engaged in the common cause of Israel, he had a right to expect succor from the people at large. His request to the men of Succoth and Penuel was both just and reasonable.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:6 - -- Are the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now in thine hand - They feared to help Gideon, lest, if he should be overpowered, the Midianites would revenge ...
Are the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now in thine hand - They feared to help Gideon, lest, if he should be overpowered, the Midianites would revenge it upon them; and they dared not trust God.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:7 - -- I will tear your flesh - What this punishment consisted in I cannot say; it must mean a severe punishment: as if he had said, I will thresh your fle...
I will tear your flesh - What this punishment consisted in I cannot say; it must mean a severe punishment: as if he had said, I will thresh your flesh with briers and thorns, as corn is threshed out with threshing instruments; or, Ye shall be trodden down under the feet of my victorious army, as the corn is trodden out with the feet of the ox. Succoth was beyond Jordan, in the tribe of Gad. Penuel was also in the same tribe, and not far distant from Succoth.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:9 - -- I will break down this tower - Probably they had not only denied him, but insultingly pointed to a tower in which their chief defense lay; and intim...
I will break down this tower - Probably they had not only denied him, but insultingly pointed to a tower in which their chief defense lay; and intimated to him that he might do his worst, for they could amply defend themselves.
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Clarke: Jdg 8:10 - -- Zebah and Zalmunna were in Karkor - If this were a place, it is nowhere else mentioned in Scripture. Some contend that קרקר karkor signifies ...
Zebah and Zalmunna were in Karkor - If this were a place, it is nowhere else mentioned in Scripture. Some contend that
TSK: Jdg 8:1 - -- the men : Jdg 12:1-6; 2Sa 19:41; Job 5:2; Ecc 4:4; Jam 4:5, Jam 4:6
Why : etc. Heb. What thing is this thou hast done unto us, sharply. Heb. strongly...
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TSK: Jdg 8:2 - -- What : 1Co 13:4-7; Gal 5:14, Gal 5:15; Phi 2:2, Phi 2:3; Jam 1:19, Jam 1:20, Jam 3:13-18
Is not the : That is, the Ephraimites have performed more imp...
What : 1Co 13:4-7; Gal 5:14, Gal 5:15; Phi 2:2, Phi 2:3; Jam 1:19, Jam 1:20, Jam 3:13-18
Is not the : That is, the Ephraimites have performed more important services than Gideon and his men had achieved.
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TSK: Jdg 8:3 - -- God : Jdg 7:24, Jdg 7:25; Psa 44:3, Psa 115:1, Psa 118:14-16; Joh 4:37; Rom 12:3, Rom 12:6, Rom 15:18, Rom 15:19; Phi 2:3
Then : Pro 15:1, Pro 16:32, ...
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TSK: Jdg 8:4 - -- faint : 1Sa 14:28, 1Sa 14:29, 1Sa 14:31, 1Sa 14:32, 1Sa 30:10; 2Co 4:8, 2Co 4:9, 2Co 4:16; Gal 6:9; Heb 12:1-4
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TSK: Jdg 8:5 - -- Succoth : Gen 33:17; Psa 60:6
loaves : Gen 14:18; Deu 23:4; 1Sa 25:18; 2Sa 17:28, 2Sa 17:29; 3Jo 1:6-8
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TSK: Jdg 8:6 - -- Jdg 5:23; Gen 25:13, Gen 37:25, Gen 37:28; 1Sa 25:10, 1Sa 25:11; 1Ki 20:11; 2Ki 14:9; Pro 18:23; Phi 2:21
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TSK: Jdg 8:10 - -- Karkor : If this were the name of a place, it is no where else mentioned. Some contend that karkor signifies rest; and the Vulgate renders it req...
Karkor : If this were the name of a place, it is no where else mentioned. Some contend that
children : Jdg 7:12
fell an hundred : etc. or, an hundred and twenty thousand every one drawing a sword, Jdg 7:22, Jdg 20:2, Jdg 20:15, Jdg 20:17, Jdg 20:25, Jdg 20:35, Jdg 20:46; 2Ki 3:26; 2Ch 13:17, 2Ch 28:6, 2Ch 28:8; Isa 37:36
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TSK: Jdg 8:11 - -- Nobah : Nobah took its name from an Israelite who conquered it; and is said by Eusebius to have been, in his time, a forsaken place eight miles south ...
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TSK: Jdg 8:12 - -- took : Jos 10:16-18, Jos 10:22-25; Job 12:16-21, Job 34:19; Psa 83:11; Amo 2:14; Rev 6:15, Rev 6:16, Rev 19:19-21
discomfited : Heb. terrified
took : Jos 10:16-18, Jos 10:22-25; Job 12:16-21, Job 34:19; Psa 83:11; Amo 2:14; Rev 6:15, Rev 6:16, Rev 19:19-21
discomfited : Heb. terrified
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Barnes: Jdg 8:1 - -- The success of Gideon’ s enterprise mortified the pride of Ephraim, as the chief tribe, seeing that they had played a subordinate part. Compare...
The success of Gideon’ s enterprise mortified the pride of Ephraim, as the chief tribe, seeing that they had played a subordinate part. Compare Jdg 12:1.
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Barnes: Jdg 8:2 - -- A civil war with the great tribe of Ephraim would soon have turned Israel’ s victory into mourning. Gideon therefore soothes their wounded prid...
A civil war with the great tribe of Ephraim would soon have turned Israel’ s victory into mourning. Gideon therefore soothes their wounded pride by confessing that Ephraim had done more, though they had joined him so late in the day, than he had been able to effect in the whole campaign. The grape-gleaning of Ephraim was better than the whole vintage of Abi-ezer.
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Barnes: Jdg 8:5 - -- Succoth was in the tribe of Gad which was entirely trans-Jordanic Jos 13:27; and the ruins are at Sukkot, on the east of Jordan, a little south of B...
Succoth was in the tribe of Gad which was entirely trans-Jordanic Jos 13:27; and the ruins are at Sukkot, on the east of Jordan, a little south of Bethshan.
Give, I pray you etc. - Gideon might fairly expect so much aid from the trans-Jordanic tribes, and from so considerable a town as Succoth Jdg 8:14.
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Barnes: Jdg 8:6 - -- The number of the followers of Zebah and Zalmunna was still so formidable, and Gideon’ s enterprise still so doubtful, that the men of Succoth ...
The number of the followers of Zebah and Zalmunna was still so formidable, and Gideon’ s enterprise still so doubtful, that the men of Succoth (being on the same side of the Jordan) would not risk the vengeance of the Midianites by giving supplies to Gideon’ s men.
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Barnes: Jdg 8:8 - -- Succoth was in the valley or Ghor of the Jordan Jdg 8:5, and Penuel apparently in the mountain. No identification of Penuel has taken place. It was ...
Succoth was in the valley or Ghor of the Jordan Jdg 8:5, and Penuel apparently in the mountain. No identification of Penuel has taken place. It was south of the Brook Jabbok, and on Jacob’ s way to Succoth. Gideon, journeying in the opposite direction to Jacob, comes from Succoth to Penuel.
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Barnes: Jdg 8:10 - -- Zebah and Zalmunna seem to have fled nearly due east to Karkor, which was probably an enclosure of some kind (perhaps a walled sheepfold, compare Nu...
Zebah and Zalmunna seem to have fled nearly due east to Karkor, which was probably an enclosure of some kind (perhaps a walled sheepfold, compare Num 31:32 note). Its site is unknown; but it was near Nobah, in the half-tribe of Manasseh in Gilead Num 32:40, and Jogbehah was in the tribe of Gad Num 32:34-35. Gideon, perhaps taking a circuit so as to come upon them from the east, fell suddenly upon them, apparently at night, surprised them, and smote them.
Poole: Jdg 8:2 - -- What was done was done by God’ s immediate making them one to kill another; what I have done, in cutting off some of the fugitive common soldie...
What was done was done by God’ s immediate making them one to kill another; what I have done, in cutting off some of the fugitive common soldiers, is not to be compared with your exploit in destroying their princes; I began the war, but you have finished.
The gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim what you have gleaned or done after me.
Of Abi-ezer , i.e. of the Abi-ezrites , to whom he modestly communicateth the honour of the victory, and doth not arrogate it to himself, as generals commonly do.
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Poole: Jdg 8:5 - -- Succoth a place beyond Jordan, Gen 33:17 Jos 13:27 Psa 60:6 .
Kings of Midian where before this time were five kings at once, Num 31:8 , who either...
Succoth a place beyond Jordan, Gen 33:17 Jos 13:27 Psa 60:6 .
Kings of Midian where before this time were five kings at once, Num 31:8 , who either reigned separately in divers parts of the land, or governed by common counsel and consent, as sometimes there were two or three Roman emperors together.
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Poole: Jdg 8:6 - -- Art thou so foolish to think, with thy three hundred faint and weary soldiers, to conquer and destroy a host of fifteen thousand men?
Art thou so foolish to think, with thy three hundred faint and weary soldiers, to conquer and destroy a host of fifteen thousand men?
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Poole: Jdg 8:7 - -- With the thorns which grow abundantly in the neighbouring wilderness; I will chastise or beat your naked bodies with thorny rods, even unto death. Or...
With the thorns which grow abundantly in the neighbouring wilderness; I will chastise or beat your naked bodies with thorny rods, even unto death. Or, I will lay you down upon thorns on the ground, and bring the cartwheel upon you, which will both tear your flesh, and bruise you to death.
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Poole: Jdg 8:9 - -- Your confidence in which makes you thus proud and presumptuous. He implies that he would afterwards destroy their persons, as is expressed, Jud 8:17...
Your confidence in which makes you thus proud and presumptuous. He implies that he would afterwards destroy their persons, as is expressed, Jud 8:17 .
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Poole: Jdg 8:10 - -- i.e. Persons expert and exercised in war, besides the retainers to them, Jud 6:5 .
i.e. Persons expert and exercised in war, besides the retainers to them, Jud 6:5 .
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Poole: Jdg 8:11 - -- Of them that dwelt in tents i.e. of the Arabians; so fetching a compass, and falling upon them where they least expected it.
Nobah and Jogbehah of ...
Of them that dwelt in tents i.e. of the Arabians; so fetching a compass, and falling upon them where they least expected it.
Nobah and Jogbehah of which cities see Num 32:35,42 .
The host was secure being now got safe over Jordan, and a great way from the place of battle; and, probably, supposing Gideon’ s men, to be so tired with their hard service, and the great slaughter which they had made, that they would have neither strength nor will to pursue them so far.
Haydock: Jdg 8:1 - -- Ephraim. The valour and insolence of these men are placed together. Afterwards we have an account of the transactions of Gedeon in the pursuit, ver...
Ephraim. The valour and insolence of these men are placed together. Afterwards we have an account of the transactions of Gedeon in the pursuit, ver. 4. (Haydock) ---
The tribe of Ephraim seems to have had some grounds for being displeased at not being summoned at first, as well as the tribes of Aser, &c., which were farther off; particularly as they sprang from Joseph, no less than Manasses, and had their portion in common. The general answers them with great respect, as otherwise their displeasure might have had very pernicious consequences. (Calmet)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:2 - -- What could I, &c. A meek and humble answer appeased them; who otherwise might have come to extremities. So great is the power of humility both with...
What could I, &c. A meek and humble answer appeased them; who otherwise might have come to extremities. So great is the power of humility both with God and man. (Challoner) (Proverbs xv. 1.) ---
Could. Hebrew and Septuagint, "What have I yet done like you? (Menochius) ---
Is not the gleaning?" &c. I only commenced the war; you have brought it to a happy termination, by killing the princes of the enemy. (Debrio adag. 157.) At the first siege of Troy, Telamon having entered the city before Hercules, the latter was on the point of killing him, when Telamon, collecting a heap of stones, which he said he intended for an altar in honour of "the victorious Hercules," the hero's fury was appeased. (Apol. Bibl. ii. 6.)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:4 - -- Jordan. Notwithstanding the precautions of Gedeon, some had got over the river, whom he resolves to follow at Bethsan. This city was about 15 miles...
Jordan. Notwithstanding the precautions of Gedeon, some had got over the river, whom he resolves to follow at Bethsan. This city was about 15 miles from Mount Thabor. His men had been in motion a great part of the night, and had not taken provisions (Calmet) for so long a journey; so that he was obliged to apply for some when he had crossed the Jordan. (Haydock)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:5 - -- Soccoth. "The tents," where Jacob had encamped, Genesis xxxiii. It belonged to the tribe of Dan. (Menochius) ---
The people of this town, as well...
Soccoth. "The tents," where Jacob had encamped, Genesis xxxiii. It belonged to the tribe of Dan. (Menochius) ---
The people of this town, as well as the ancients of Phanuel, returned an insolent reply to the just request of Gedeon. In cases of such extremity, all are bound to assist the defenders of their country; and the refusal is punished as a sort of rebellion, 2 Kings xxv. 10. (Calmet)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:6 - -- Hand. Perhaps thou makest sure of taking these kings. (Haydock) We apprehend that they will return with greater forces, and punish our compliance. ...
Hand. Perhaps thou makest sure of taking these kings. (Haydock) We apprehend that they will return with greater forces, and punish our compliance. (Menochius)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:7 - -- Desert. An usual mode of punishment, (2 Kings xii., and 1 Paralipomenon xx. 3.; Calmet) which the cruel irrision of Gedeon and his army, who were fi...
Desert. An usual mode of punishment, (2 Kings xii., and 1 Paralipomenon xx. 3.; Calmet) which the cruel irrision of Gedeon and his army, who were fighting in the cause of God and of the nation, richly called for.
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Haydock: Jdg 8:9 - -- Tower; on the strength of which they ventured to treat him with insolence. Phanuel, "the face of God," (Genesis xxxii. 33,) was near the Jaboc. (Me...
Tower; on the strength of which they ventured to treat him with insolence. Phanuel, "the face of God," (Genesis xxxii. 33,) was near the Jaboc. (Menochius)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:10 - -- Resting, as the Hebrew word Korkor, signifies. (Bochart) ---
Protestants have, in Karor," as if it were the name of a place. (Haydock)
Resting, as the Hebrew word Korkor, signifies. (Bochart) ---
Protestants have, in Karor," as if it were the name of a place. (Haydock)
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Haydock: Jdg 8:11 - -- Tents. The Scenitæ, (Menochius) who inhabited part of the desert Arabia. (Calmet) ---
Hurt. They had probably been mounted on camels, &c., (H...
Tents. The Scenitæ, (Menochius) who inhabited part of the desert Arabia. (Calmet) ---
Hurt. They had probably been mounted on camels, &c., (Haydock) and did not suspect that Gedeon would be so soon after them across the Jordan. (Menochius)
Gill: Jdg 8:1 - -- And the men of Ephraim said unto him,.... To Gideon, when they brought him the heads of Oreb and Zeeb; taking this to be a proper opportunity to expos...
And the men of Ephraim said unto him,.... To Gideon, when they brought him the heads of Oreb and Zeeb; taking this to be a proper opportunity to expostulate and chide with him, when they had done so much service:
why hast thou served us thus; neglected them, overlooked them, which they took as a reproach to them, and as if he had bore them ill will:
that thou calledst us not when thou wentest to fight with the Midianites? that he did not call them first, when he called other tribes, as Asher, Zebulun, and Naphtali, when they were as near or nearer, and more nearly allied, being both the descendants of Joseph; and were the tribe that Jacob had given the preference to; and being of proud spirits they envied the glory that Gideon, who was of the tribe of Manasseh, had got; and by which they were jealous he would advance that tribe above theirs:
and they did chide with him sharply; used rough words and ill language, and threw out many keen and biting expressions, which discovered great anger and wrath, envy and ill will.
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Gill: Jdg 8:2 - -- And he said unto them,.... In a very mild and gentle manner, giving soft words, which turn away wrath:
what have I done in comparison of you? he an...
And he said unto them,.... In a very mild and gentle manner, giving soft words, which turn away wrath:
what have I done in comparison of you? he and his men, he signifies, had only blew trumpets, broke pitchers, and held torches; it was the Lord that did all, and set the Midianites one against another to slay each other; and in the pursuit as yet he had only picked up and slain some common soldiers, they had taken two princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb, and had brought their heads in triumph to him:
is not the gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim better than the vintage of Abiezer? the family of Abiezer, of which Gideon was; the meaning is, that whereas he began the fight, which may be called the vintage, and they had finished it, which was like gleaning; yet what they did last was much preferable to what was done by him at first; or the princes of Midian, which they had taken in the pursuit, and was like gleaning after a vintage, were equal, yea, superior to all the camp of Midian, or that part of it that had fallen into his hands. The Targum is,"are not the weak of the house of Ephraim better than the strong of the house of Abiezer?''
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Gill: Jdg 8:3 - -- God hath delivered into your hands the princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb,.... A high honour this conferred upon you, and with which you may be well con...
God hath delivered into your hands the princes of Midian, Oreb and Zeeb,.... A high honour this conferred upon you, and with which you may be well contented:
and what was I able to do in comparison of you? what he had done in defeating and pursuing the army of Midian, in slaying and taking any of them prisoners, was nothing in comparison of what they had done; nay, he signifies that he was not capable of doing anything worth mentioning without them; the glory of finishing this conquest was reserved for them:
then their anger was abated towards him when he had said that; it being what gratified their pride and was pleasing to them; and this conduct of Gideon showed him to be a wise and humble man.
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Gill: Jdg 8:4 - -- And Gideon came to Jordan, and passed over..... That river; See Gill on Jdg 7:25 he and three hundred men that were with him, at the defeat of the Mid...
And Gideon came to Jordan, and passed over..... That river; See Gill on Jdg 7:25 he and three hundred men that were with him, at the defeat of the Midianites in the valley of Jezreel; so that neither at that nor in the pursuit of them hitherto, had he lost one man:
faint, yet pursuing them: they were faint with being up all night, and continually blowing their trumpets; and had been upon the pursuit of their enemies ever since the defeat; and yet, though they were so faint, they did not leave off the pursuit, but were eager at it.
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Gill: Jdg 8:5 - -- And he said to the men of Succoth,.... The inhabitants of that place, the principal men of it, which lay in his way as he was pursuing the Midianites ...
And he said to the men of Succoth,.... The inhabitants of that place, the principal men of it, which lay in his way as he was pursuing the Midianites in their flight to their own country; for this was a city on the other side Jordan, and in the tribe of Gad and was inhabited by Israelites, Jos 13:27 it had its name from the booths or tents which Jacob erected here, Gen 33:17.
give, I pray you, loaves of bread unto the people that follow me; he did not desire them to leave their habitations and families, and join him in pursuing his and their enemies, or to furnish him and his men with arms; only to give them some provisions and that not dainties, but loaves of bread; or "morsels of bread" t, and broken pieces; and these he did not demand in an authoritative manner, as he might have done as a general, but in a way of entreaty; and the arguments he uses are:
for they be faint; for want of food, through the long fatigue from midnight hitherto, in the pursuit of the enemy, and which was not over:
and I am pursuing after Zebah and Zalmunna, kings of Midian; who had fled with 15,000 men, and were now, as Jarchi conjectures, destroying the countries of Reuben and Gad, and the half tribe of Manasseh; and now Gideon and his men were closely pursuing them, in hopes of taking them, and so complete the conquest, and thoroughly deliver Israel from their bondage on both sides Jordan, the benefits of which these men of Succoth would share with others; these were the arguments, and cogent ones they were, to persuade them to give his weary troops some refreshment.
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Gill: Jdg 8:6 - -- And the princes of Succoth said,.... The chief magistrates of the place made answer, one in the name of the rest; for the word said is in the singular...
And the princes of Succoth said,.... The chief magistrates of the place made answer, one in the name of the rest; for the word said is in the singular number:
are the hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now in thine hands; that is, are they taken prisoners, and handcuffed, or their hands bound behind them, and put into the hands of Gideon, to do with them as he pleased? no, they were not; and they suggest they never would, deriding him and his small number of men as not a match for these kings, whom, perhaps a little before, they had seen pass by with 15,000 men; with whom his little army would not be able to encounter, should they turn and fall upon them, which they supposed would be the case; and therefore, say they, when these are in thine hands, which they thought would never be, it will be time enough
that we should give bread to thine army? for they feared, should they do that, these kings would hear of it, and they should suffer for it, and their bondage be harder than it was before; so selfish and diffident in themselves, so cruel and uncompassionate to their brethren, and so ungrateful to their deliverers, which stirred up the spirit of this humble and good man to great resentment.
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Gill: Jdg 8:7 - -- And Gideon said,.... In answer to the princes of Succoth:
therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into mine hand; of which he mad...
And Gideon said,.... In answer to the princes of Succoth:
therefore when the Lord hath delivered Zebah and Zalmunna into mine hand; of which he made no doubt, having the promise of God that he would deliver the host of Midian into his hand, on which his faith rested; and having it in great part performed already, most firmly believed the full performance of it, see Jdg 7:7.
then I will tear your flesh with the thorns of the wilderness, and with briers; which grew in a wilderness near this city, and from whence as Kimchi thinks, it had its name; the word "Succoth" being used for thorns in Job 41:7 and the sense is, either that he would scourge them with thorns and briers; or, as the Targum thrust their flesh upon them; which Kimchi interprets of casting their naked bodies upon thorns and briers, and then treading on them with the feet; or draw a cart over them as they thus lay, in like manner as it was usual to do when corn was threshed out; see Isa 28:27.
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Gill: Jdg 8:8 - -- And he went up thence to Penuel,.... A place not far from Succoth, and to which also Jacob gave name, from the Lord's appearing to him there face to f...
And he went up thence to Penuel,.... A place not far from Succoth, and to which also Jacob gave name, from the Lord's appearing to him there face to face, Gen 32:30 but here was nothing of God in this place now:
and spoke unto them likewise; desired bread for his men, as he had of the inhabitants of Succoth:
and the men of Penuel answered him as the men of Succoth had answered him; denied him his request in the same jeering manner.
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Gill: Jdg 8:9 - -- In a threatening way, as he had spoken to the men of Succoth: saying, when I come again in peace: having conquered all his enemies, and delivered Isra...
In a threatening way, as he had spoken to the men of Succoth: saying, when I come again in peace: having conquered all his enemies, and delivered Israel from their bondage, and restored peace and prosperity to them, of which he had no doubt:
I will break down this tower; pointing to it and which stood in their city, and in which they placed their confidence; and when he threatened them, boasted of it as their security.
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Gill: Jdg 8:10 - -- Now Zebah and Zalmunna were in Karkor..... Jerom u under this word says, there was in his time a castle called Carcuria, a day's journey from Petra, w...
Now Zebah and Zalmunna were in Karkor..... Jerom u under this word says, there was in his time a castle called Carcuria, a day's journey from Petra, which was the metropolis of Idumea; but whether the same with this is not clear:
and their host with them, about fifteen thousand men; to which number Gideon and his three hundred men were very unequal; and yet, faint and weary as they were, closely pursued them, attacked and conquered them. Josephus w very wrongly makes this number to be about 18,000:
all that were left of the hosts of the children of the east; the Arabians, who with the Amalekites joined the Midianites in this expedition; and perhaps the remainder of the army chiefly consisted of Arabians, the others having mostly suffered in the valley of Jezreel, and at the fords of Jordan:
for there fell an hundred and twenty thousand men that drew sword; besides infirm men, women, and children, which may reasonably be supposed; so that this host consisted of 135,000 fighting men.
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Gill: Jdg 8:11 - -- And Gideon went up by the way of them that dwell in tents,.... That is of the Arabians and Kedarenes, who dwelt in tents for the sake of feeding their...
And Gideon went up by the way of them that dwell in tents,.... That is of the Arabians and Kedarenes, who dwelt in tents for the sake of feeding their flocks, as the Targum and Jarchi; he did not pursue them in the direct road, but went a roundabout way, where these people dwelt, that he might surprise the host of the kings of Midian at an unawares: and he came upon them:
on the east of Nobah and Jogbehah; the first was in the tribe of Manasseh, and the latter in the tribe of Gad, and both it seems were on the confines of those tribes; see Num 32:35 the Targum calls the latter Ramatha; both words have the signification of height in them, this city very probably being built on an eminence. According to Bunting x Penuel was two miles from Succoth, Nobah two miles from Penuel, and Jogbehah four miles from Nobah and Karkor four miles from Jogbehah, whither he pursued the kings, and took them, after he had discomfited the army:
and smote the host, for the host was secure: having got over Jordan, and at night very probably, they thought themselves safe from Gideon's army, who they could have no thought that they would come up with them so soon, on foot, weary, and fatigued.
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Gill: Jdg 8:12 - -- And when Zebah and Zalmunna fled,.... Their host being smitten and thrown into confusion by the sudden approach of Gideon's army; and who probably att...
And when Zebah and Zalmunna fled,.... Their host being smitten and thrown into confusion by the sudden approach of Gideon's army; and who probably attacked them in somewhat like manner as before, blowing their trumpets, and calling out the sword of the Lord and of Gideon; which were such terrifying sounds to them, that they fled at once:
he pursued after them, and took the two kings of Midian, Zebah and Zalmunna, and discomfited all the host; or terrified them, so that they fled some one way and some another, and the kings being left alone were easily taken.
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NET Notes: Jdg 8:2 Ephraim’s leftover grapes are better quality than Abiezer’s harvest. Gideon employs an agricultural metaphor. He argues that Ephraim’...
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NET Notes: Jdg 8:4 Heb “And Gideon arrived at the Jordan, crossing over, he and the three hundred men who were with him, exhausted and chasing.” The English ...
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NET Notes: Jdg 8:6 The officials of Succoth are hesitant to give (or sell) food to Gideon’s forces because they are not sure of the outcome of the battle. Perhaps ...
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NET Notes: Jdg 8:7 This is apparently a rare instrumental use of the Hebrew preposition אֵת (’et, note the use of ב [bet] in v. 16). Some, ...
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NET Notes: Jdg 8:10 Heb “About fifteen thousand [in number] were all the ones remaining from the army of the sons of the east. The fallen ones were a hundred and tw...
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NET Notes: Jdg 8:11 Heb “and attacked the army, while the army was secure.” The Hebrew term בֶטַח (vetakh, “secure”)...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:1 And the men of Ephraim said unto him, ( a ) Why hast thou served us thus, that thou calledst us not, when thou wentest to fight with the Midianites? A...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:2 And he said unto them, What have I done now in comparison of ( b ) you? [Is] not the ( c ) gleaning of the grapes of Ephraim better than the vintage o...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:5 And he said unto the men of Succoth, Give, I pray you, ( d ) loaves of bread unto the people that follow me; for they [be] faint, and I am pursuing af...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:6 And the princes of Succoth said, [Are] the ( e ) hands of Zebah and Zalmunna now in thine hand, that we should give bread unto thine army?
( e ) Beca...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:9 And he spake also unto the men of Penuel, saying, When I come again ( f ) in peace, I will break down this tower.
( f ) Having gotten the victory.
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:10 Now Zebah and Zalmunna [were] ( g ) in Karkor, and their hosts with them, about fifteen thousand [men], all that were left of all the hosts of the chi...
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Geneva Bible: Jdg 8:11 And Gideon went up by the way of them that dwelt in ( h ) tents on the east of Nobah and Jogbehah, and smote the host: for the host was secure.
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TSK Synopsis -> Jdg 8:1-35
TSK Synopsis: Jdg 8:1-35 - --1 Gideon pacifies the Ephraimites.4 Succoth and Penuel refuse to deliver Gideon's army.10 Zebah and Zalmunna are taken.13 Succoth and Penuel are destr...
MHCC -> Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:4-12
MHCC: Jdg 8:1-3 - --Those who will not attempt or venture any thing in the cause of God, will be the most ready to censure and quarrel with such as are of a more zealous ...
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MHCC: Jdg 8:4-12 - --Gideon's men were faint, yet pursuing; fatigued with what they had done, yet eager to do more against their enemies. It is many a time the true Christ...
Matthew Henry -> Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:4-17
Matthew Henry: Jdg 8:1-3 - -- No sooner were the Midianites, the common enemy, subdued, than, through the violence of some hot spirits, the children of Israel were ready to quarr...
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Matthew Henry: Jdg 8:4-17 - -- In these verses we have, I. Gideon, as a valiant general, pursuing the remaining Midianites, and bravely following his blow. A very great slaughter ...
Keil-Delitzsch -> Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:4-12
Keil-Delitzsch: Jdg 8:1-3 - --
When the Ephraimites met with Gideon, after they had smitten the Midianites at Oreb and Zeeb, and were pursuing them farther, they said to him, " Wh...
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Keil-Delitzsch: Jdg 8:4-12 - --
Pursuit and Complete Overthrow of the Midianites. - That the Midianites whom God had delivered into his hand might be utterly destroyed, Gideon purs...
Constable -> Jdg 3:7--17:1; Jdg 6:1--10:6; Jdg 6:1--8:33; Jdg 8:1-3; Jdg 8:1--16:31; Jdg 8:1--9:57; Jdg 8:4-12
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Constable: Jdg 6:1--10:6 - --D. The fourth apostasy 6:1-10:5
The writer of Judges structured this book so the story of Gideon would b...
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Constable: Jdg 6:1--8:33 - --1. The story of Gideon 6:1-8:32
Tanner also pointed out that the Gideon narrative consists of fi...
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Constable: Jdg 8:1-3 - --The resentment of the Ephraimites 8:1-3
Gideon had not invited the men of Ephrai...
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Constable: Jdg 8:1--16:31 - --B. Present Failures vv. 8-16
Jude next expounded the errors of the false teachers in his day to warn his...
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Constable: Jdg 8:1--9:57 - --1. The nature of the error vv. 8-9
v. 8 Jude now pinpointed the three errors he had just illustrated and accused the false teachers of all three: lust...
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