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Wesley: Job 13:1 - -- All this which either you or I have discoursed concerning the infinite power and wisdom of God. I know, both by seeing it, by my own observation and e...
All this which either you or I have discoursed concerning the infinite power and wisdom of God. I know, both by seeing it, by my own observation and experience, and by hearing it from my ancestors.

Wesley: Job 13:3 - -- I had rather debate the matter with God than with you. I am not afraid of presenting my person and cause before him, who is a witness of my integrity.
I had rather debate the matter with God than with you. I am not afraid of presenting my person and cause before him, who is a witness of my integrity.
As to the dealings of Providence (Job 12:3).

JFB: Job 13:3 - -- Job wishes to plead his cause before God (Job 9:34-35), as he is more and more convinced of the valueless character of his would-be "physicians" (Job ...
Job wishes to plead his cause before God (Job 9:34-35), as he is more and more convinced of the valueless character of his would-be "physicians" (Job 16:2).

Literally, "artful twisters of vain speeches" [UMBREIT].
Clarke: Job 13:1 - -- Lo, mine eye hath seen all this - Ye have brought nothing new to me; I know those maxims as well as you: nor have you any knowledge of which I am no...
Lo, mine eye hath seen all this - Ye have brought nothing new to me; I know those maxims as well as you: nor have you any knowledge of which I am not possessed.

Clarke: Job 13:3 - -- Surely I would speak to the Almighty - אולם ulam , O that: - I wish I could speak to the Almighty
Surely I would speak to the Almighty -

Clarke: Job 13:3 - -- I desire to reason with God - He speaks here to reference to the proceedings in a court of justice. Ye pretend to be advocates for God, but ye are f...
I desire to reason with God - He speaks here to reference to the proceedings in a court of justice. Ye pretend to be advocates for God, but ye are forgers of lies: O that God himself would appear! Before him I could soon prove my innocence of the evils with which ye charge me.

Clarke: Job 13:4 - -- Ye are forgers of lies - Ye frame deceitful arguments: ye reason sophistically, and pervert truth and justice, in order to support your cause
Ye are forgers of lies - Ye frame deceitful arguments: ye reason sophistically, and pervert truth and justice, in order to support your cause

Clarke: Job 13:4 - -- Physicians of no value - Ye are as feeble in your reasonings as ye are inefficient in your skill. Ye can neither heal the wound of my mind, nor the ...
Physicians of no value - Ye are as feeble in your reasonings as ye are inefficient in your skill. Ye can neither heal the wound of my mind, nor the disease of my body. In ancient times every wise man professed skill in the healing art, and probably Job’ s friends had tried their skill on his body as well as on his mind. He therefore had, in his argument against their teaching, a double advantage: Your skill in divinity and physic is equal: in the former ye are forgers of lies; in the latter, ye are good-for-nothing physicians. I can see no reason to depart from the general meaning of the original to which the ancient versions adhere. The Chaldee says: "Ye are idle physicians; and, like the mortified flesh which is cut off with the knife, so are the whole of you."The imagery in the former clause is chirurpical, and refers to the sewing together, or connecting the divided sides of wounds; for
TSK: Job 13:1 - -- Lo : Job 5:9-16, 12:9-25, Job 42:3-6
ear : Job 4:12, Job 5:27, Job 8:8-10, Job 15:17, Job 15:18; Psa 78:3, Psa 78:4; 1Jo 1:3
Lo : Job 5:9-16, 12:9-25, Job 42:3-6
ear : Job 4:12, Job 5:27, Job 8:8-10, Job 15:17, Job 15:18; Psa 78:3, Psa 78:4; 1Jo 1:3

TSK: Job 13:2 - -- Job 12:3, Job 15:8, Job 15:9, Job 34:35, Job 35:16, Job 37:2, Job 40:4, Job 40:5, Job 42:7; 1Co 8:1, 1Co 8:2; 2Co 11:4, 2Co 11:5, 2Co 11:16-18, 2Co 12...

TSK: Job 13:3 - -- Surely : Job 13:22, Job 9:34, Job 9:35, Job 11:5, Job 23:3-7, Job 31:35
I desire : Job 9:3, Job 9:14, Job 9:15; Isa 1:18-20, Isa 41:21; Jer 12:1, Jer ...

TSK: Job 13:4 - -- ye are forgers : Job 4:7-11, Job 5:1-5, Job 8:3, Job 8:4, 18:5-21, Job 21:27-34, 22:6-30; Exo 20:16; Psa 119:69
physicians : Job 6:21, Job 16:2; Jer 6...

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Barnes: Job 13:1 - -- Lo, mine eye hath seen all this - I have seen illustrations of all that I have said, or that you have said about the methods of divine providen...
Lo, mine eye hath seen all this - I have seen illustrations of all that I have said, or that you have said about the methods of divine providence.

Barnes: Job 13:3 - -- Surely I would speak to the Almighty - I would desire to carry my cause directly up to God, and spread out my reasons before him. This Job ofte...
Surely I would speak to the Almighty - I would desire to carry my cause directly up to God, and spread out my reasons before him. This Job often professed to desire; see Job 9:34-35. He felt that God would appreciate the arguments which he would urge, and would do justice to them. His friends he felt were censorious and severe. They neither did justice to his feelings, nor to his motives. They perverted his words and arguments; and instead of consoling him, they only aggravated his trials, and caused him to sink into deeper sorrows. But he felt if he could carry his cause to God, he would do ample justice to him and his cause. The views which he entertained of his friends he proceeds to state at considerable length, and without much reserve, in the following verses.

Barnes: Job 13:4 - -- But ye are forgers of lies - The word lies here seems to be used in a large sense, to denote sophisms, false accusations, errors. They maintain...
But ye are forgers of lies - The word lies here seems to be used in a large sense, to denote sophisms, false accusations, errors. They maintained false positions; they did not see the exact truth in respect to the divine dealings, and to the character of Job. They maintained strenuously that Job was a hypocrite, and that God was punishing him for his sins. They maintained that God deals with people in exact accordance with their charactor in this world, all of which Job regarded as false doctrine, and asserted that they defended it with sophistical arguments invented for the purpose, and thus they could be spoken of as "forgers of lies."
Physicians of no value - The meaning is, that they had come to give him consolation, but nothing that they had said had imparted comfort. They were like physicians sent for to visit the sick, who could do nothing when they came; compare Job 16:2.
Poole: Job 13:1 - -- All this which either you or I have discoursed concerning the infinite power and wisdom of God, I know, both by seeing it, i.e. by my own observatio...
All this which either you or I have discoursed concerning the infinite power and wisdom of God, I know, both by seeing it, i.e. by my own observation and experience, and by hearing it from my ancestors; so that I did not need your tedious and impertinent discourses concerning those matters.

Poole: Job 13:3 - -- According to thy wish, Job 11:5 , I had rather debate the matter with God than with you. I am not afraid of presenting my person and cause before hi...
According to thy wish, Job 11:5 , I had rather debate the matter with God than with you. I am not afraid of presenting my person and cause before him, who is a witness of my integrity, and would not deal so unmercifully with me as you do.

Poole: Job 13:4 - -- Forgers of lies i.e. authors of false doctrine, to wit, that great afflictions are peculiar to hypocrites and wicked men.
Physicians of no value un...
Forgers of lies i.e. authors of false doctrine, to wit, that great afflictions are peculiar to hypocrites and wicked men.
Physicians of no value unfaithful and unskilful; prescribing bad remedies, and misapplying good ones.
All, without your information. (Calmet)

Haydock: Job 13:3 - -- Reason. Hebrew, "to dispute with, or before God," concerning the matter which we have in hand. He appeals to God, as to the judge of all.
Reason. Hebrew, "to dispute with, or before God," concerning the matter which we have in hand. He appeals to God, as to the judge of all.

Haydock: Job 13:4 - -- Having. Hebrew, "But ye are sewers of lies." (Calmet) ---
Septuagint, "unskilful surgeons, (who, instead of sewing up a wound, increase it) and al...
Having. Hebrew, "But ye are sewers of lies." (Calmet) ---
Septuagint, "unskilful surgeons, (who, instead of sewing up a wound, increase it) and all of you doctors of evil;" vain empirics. ---
Maintainers. Protestants, "ye are all physicians of no value." (Haydock)
Gill: Job 13:1 - -- Lo, mine eye hath seen all this,.... Or "all those things" h he had been discoursing of, concerning the wisdom and power of God, and his friends also...
Lo, mine eye hath seen all this,.... Or "all those things" h he had been discoursing of, concerning the wisdom and power of God, and his friends also; some of these he had seen instances of, he had been an eyewitness of them, and could give an ocular testimony to them; and others he had discerned with the eyes of his understanding, being opened and enlightened, and had a clear and distinct view of them, so that he had seen and knew as much of these things as any of them had. Some i interpret it "all" other things, pertaining to the same subject; by what he had said, it might be concluded he knew more; this was but a sample or specimen of his knowledge, which, when observed, it might be perceived what an understanding he had in such divine things: the words are indeed absolute, "my eye hath seen all things" k, which must not be taken in the largest and comprehensive sense of all things to be seen, heard, and understood; for though Job's knowledge was very great, yet it did not take so great a compass as this; many things in nature his eye had not seen, others in providence he could not discern, and but a small portion of God, of his nature, perfections, ways, and works, was known by him, as he himself confesses elsewhere, Job 26:14; this therefore must be limited and restrained to the subject matter in hand, and to what he and his friends had been treating of:
mine ear hath heard; some things he had knowledge of by the report of others, from his forefathers, his ancestors, men of capacity and probity, that could be credited, and safely depended on, and even some things by revelation from God; for if Eliphaz his friend had an heavenly vision, and a divine revelation, which his ear received a little of, why may it not be thought that Job also was sometimes favoured with visions and revelations from God, whereby he became more intimately acquainted with divine and spiritual things?
and understood it; that is, what he had seen and heard; some things may be seen, and yet not known what they are; and other things may be heard, and not understood; but Job had an understanding of what he had seen with his own eyes, or had received by revelation, human or divine: and all this is introduced with a "lo" or "behold"; not as a note of admiration at his knowledge, though the things known by him were wonderful, but as a note of attention to them, and to his remark on them, and as expressive of the certainty of his sight, hearing, and understanding of these things.

Gill: Job 13:2 - -- What ye know, the same do I know also,.... Concerning God and his perfections, his sovereignty, holiness, justice, wisdom, power, goodness, &c. and c...
What ye know, the same do I know also,.... Concerning God and his perfections, his sovereignty, holiness, justice, wisdom, power, goodness, &c. and concerning his providences, and his dealings with men in an ordinary or in an extraordinary way:
I am not inferior unto you; as might be deduced from the preceding discourse; See Gill on Job 12:3.

Gill: Job 13:3 - -- Surely I would speak to the Almighty,.... Or "therefore I would speak" l, since he knew as much as his friends, and they knew no more than he, if so m...
Surely I would speak to the Almighty,.... Or "therefore I would speak" l, since he knew as much as his friends, and they knew no more than he, if so much, he would have no more to do with them, they should not be his judges; nor would he be determined by them, but would appeal to God, and plead his own cause before him, by whom he doubted not he should be candidly heard; he knew that he was the Judge of all the earth, and would do right; and that he sat on a throne judging righteously, and would maintain his right and his cause; that he would judge him according to his righteousness and integrity, of which he was conscious, and would pass a just decisive sentence in his favour, and give the cause for him against his friends, as he afterwards did; for this is not to be understood of speaking to him in prayer, though that is a speech either of the heart or of the tongue, or of both, to God; and which he allows of, yea, delights in, and which is a wonderful condescension; and therefore it may be used with boldness and freedom, and which gracious souls are desirous of; and the consideration of God being "almighty", or "all sufficient", is an argument, motive, and inducement to them to speak or pray unto him, since he is able to do all things for them they want or desire of him; but here it is to be understood of speaking to him, or before him, in a judicial way, at his bar, before his tribunal, he sitting as a Judge to hear the cause, and decide the controversy between Job and his friends. So, he render it, "I would speak for the Almighty, and desire to reason for God" m; seeing he knew so much of him; not speak against him, as his friends suggested he had, but for him, on behalf of his sovereignty, justice, holiness, wisdom, and strength, as he had done, and would do yet more; by which he would have it known, that as he had as much knowledge as they, he was as zealous as any of them to plead for God, and defend him, and promote his honour and glory to the uttermost; but the other sense is best:
and I desire to reason with God: not at the bar of his justice, with respect to the justification of his person by his own righteousness; so no man can reason with God, as to approve himself just with him; nor will any sensible man desire to enter into judgment with him on that foot; a poor sensible sinner may reason with God at the throne of grace, and plead for pardoning mercy and justifying grace through the blood and righteousness of Christ, and from the declarations, proclamations, and promises of grace through him; but of neither of these sorts of reasoning, are the words to be understood, but of debating the matter in controversy between Job and his friends before God, that he might hear it, and decide it; this was what Job was desirous of, of having the cause brought before him, the case stated and pleaded, and reasoned on in his presence; this he signifies would be a pleasure to him; he "should delight" to have it so, as the word n here used may be interpreted.

Gill: Job 13:4 - -- But ye are forgers of lies,.... This is a hard and very harsh saying; Job was now in a passion, provoked by his friends, and retorts upon them what t...
But ye are forgers of lies,.... This is a hard and very harsh saying; Job was now in a passion, provoked by his friends, and retorts upon them what they had charged him with, Job 11:3; so often in controversies and disputes between good men undue heats arise, and unbecoming words drop from their lips and pens; to tell lies is a bad thing, but to forge them, to tell a studied premeditated lie, is dreadfully shocking, contrary to the grace of God, and which good men cannot allow themselves in, it is the character of bad men, see Isa 63:8; but it may be Job may not design lies in a strict and proper sense, but falsehoods and untruths; for though no lie is of the truth, yet every untruth is not a lie; because a man may deliver an untruth, not knowing it to be so, but taking it for a truth, speaks it, without any design to impose upon and deceive others. Doctrinal lies may be intended, such as the false prophets told, whereby they made the hearts of the righteous sad, and were the untempered mortar they daubed with, Eze 13:10; and the word here used has the same signification, and may be rendered, "daubers of lies" o; that colour over things, and make falsehoods look like truths, and deliver them for such, and like others speak lies in hypocrisy: now those here referred to were these, that God did not afflict good men, at least in any very severe manner, and that Job, being thus afflicted, was a bad man, and an hypocrite; both these Job charges as lies:
ye are all physicians of no value; or "idol physicians" p; not that pretended to the cure of idols, but were no better than idols themselves, and understood no more how to cure than they, than an Heathen deity, the god of physic Aesculapius, or anyone that might be reckoned such; but was no other than an image of wood or stone, and so could not be possessed of the faculty of healing, and such were Job's friends; an idol is nothing, and is good for nothing, and such were they as physicians, they were idol physicians, like the "idol shepherd", Zec 11:17; of no value at all: the Rabbins q say, the word used signifies a nerve or sinew of the neck, which when broken is incurable; and such physicians were they, that could do him no service, no more than cure a broken neck; this is to be understood of them, not as physicians of his body, that they pretended not to be; he was greatly diseased from head to foot, and had no hope of a recovery of his health, nor did they pretend to prescribe for him, nor does he reproach them on that account; but as physicians of his soul, afflicted and distressed, they came to administer comfort to him under his afflictions, but they were miserable comforters, as he elsewhere calls them, Job 16:2; instead of acting the part of the good Samaritan, and pouring in oil and wine into his wounds, Luk 10:34, they poured in vinegar, and made them bleed and smart the more, and added affliction to his affliction; instead of healing, they wounded him yet more and more; and, instead of binding up his wounds, opened them wider, and gave him sensible pain; instead of giving him the cordials of the Gospel, they gave him the corrosives the law; and instead of pointing out unto him the gracious promises of God, for the support of his afflicted soul, they loaded him with charges of sin, and set him to work by repentance and reformation to obtain the forgiveness of them: they said many good things, but misapplied them, being ignorant of the case, and so were physicians of no value; as such are who are ignorant of the nature and causes of a disease, and therefore make wrong prescriptions, though the medicines they prescribe may in themselves be good: indeed, in the cases of souls, or for the healing of the diseases of the soul, which are natural and hereditary, epidemical and universal, nauseous and loathsome, and of themselves mortal, all physicians are of no value; but Jesus Christ, who is the only physician of souls, the able, skilful, and infallible one, that cures all fully freely that apply unto him; bodily physicians are no use in such cases, nor merry companions, nor legal preachers, who direct to supple the wounds with tears of repentance, and bind them up with rags of a man's own righteousness; Christ is the only Saviour, his blood the balsam that heals every wound, and his righteousness that affords peace, joy, and comfort to afflicted minds, and delivers from those weights and pressures of mind with which they are bowed down.

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NET Notes: Job 13:1 Hebrew has כֹּל (kol, “all”); there is no reason to add anything to the text to gain a meaning “all this....

NET Notes: Job 13:2 The verb “fall” is used here as it was in Job 4:13 to express becoming lower than someone, i.e., inferior.

NET Notes: Job 13:3 The infinitive הוֹכֵחַ (hokheakh) is from the verb יָכַח (yakhakh), which mean...

NET Notes: Job 13:4 The literal rendering of the construct would be “healers of worthlessness.” Ewald and Dillmann translated it “patchers” based ...
Geneva Bible: Job 13:3 Surely I would speak to the Almighty, and I desire ( a ) to reason with God.
( a ) For although he knew that God was just, which was revealed in his ...

Geneva Bible: Job 13:4 But ye [are] forgers of lies, ye [are] all ( b ) physicians of no value.
( b ) You do not well apply your medicine to the disease.

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TSK Synopsis -> Job 13:1-28
TSK Synopsis: Job 13:1-28 - --1 Job reproves his friends for partiality.14 He professes his confidence in God; and entreats to know his own sins, and God's purpose in afflicting hi...
MHCC -> Job 13:1-12
MHCC: Job 13:1-12 - --With self-preference, Job declared that he needed not to be taught by them. Those who dispute are tempted to magnify themselves, and lower their breth...
Matthew Henry -> Job 13:1-12
Matthew Henry: Job 13:1-12 - -- Job here warmly expresses his resentment of the unkindness of his friends. I. He comes up with them as one that understood the matter in dispute as ...
Keil-Delitzsch -> Job 13:1-2; Job 13:3-6
Keil-Delitzsch: Job 13:1-2 - --
1 Lo, mine eye hath seen all,
Mine ear hath heard and marked it.
2 What ye know do I know also,
I do not stand back behind you.
Job has brought ...

Keil-Delitzsch: Job 13:3-6 - --
3 But I would speak to the Almighty,
And I long to reason with God.
4 And ye however are forgers of lies,
Physicians of no value are ye all.
5 O...
Constable: Job 4:1--14:22 - --B. The First Cycle of Speeches between Job and His Three Friends chs. 4-14
The two soliloquies of Job (c...

Constable: Job 12:1--14:22 - --6. Job's first reply to Zophar chs. 12-14
In these chapters Job again rebutted his friends and t...




