
Text -- Job 30:1-3 (NET)




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Wesley: Job 30:1 - -- Whom both universal custom, and the light of nature, taught to reverence their elders and betters.
Whom both universal custom, and the light of nature, taught to reverence their elders and betters.

Wesley: Job 30:1 - -- Whose condition was so mean, that in the opinion, of the world, they were unworthy to be my shepherds the companions of my dogs which watch my flocks.
Whose condition was so mean, that in the opinion, of the world, they were unworthy to be my shepherds the companions of my dogs which watch my flocks.

Wesley: Job 30:3 - -- Although want commonly drives persons to places of resort for relief, yet they were so conscious of their own guilt, that they shunned company, and fo...
Although want commonly drives persons to places of resort for relief, yet they were so conscious of their own guilt, that they shunned company, and for fear or shame fled into, and lived in desolate places.
(Job 30:1-31)

JFB: Job 30:1 - -- Not the three friends (Job 15:10; Job 32:4, Job 32:6-7). A general description: Job 30:1-8, the lowness of the persons who derided him; Job 30:9-15, t...
Not the three friends (Job 15:10; Job 32:4, Job 32:6-7). A general description: Job 30:1-8, the lowness of the persons who derided him; Job 30:9-15, the derision itself. Formerly old men rose to me (Job 29:8). Now not only my juniors, who are bound to reverence me (Lev 19:32), but even the mean and base-born actually deride me; opposed to, "smiled upon" (Job 29:24). This goes farther than even the "mockery" of Job by relations and friends (Job 12:4; Job 16:10, Job 16:20; Job 17:2, Job 17:6; Job 19:22). Orientals feel keenly any indignity shown by the young. Job speaks as a rich Arabian emir, proud of his descent.

JFB: Job 30:1 - -- Regarded with disgust in the East as unclean (1Sa 17:43; Pro 26:11). They are not allowed to enter a house, but run about wild in the open air, living...
Regarded with disgust in the East as unclean (1Sa 17:43; Pro 26:11). They are not allowed to enter a house, but run about wild in the open air, living on offal and chance morsels (Psa 59:14-15). Here again we are reminded of Jesus Christ (Psa 22:16). "Their fathers, my coevals, were so mean and famished that I would not have associated them with (not to say, set them over) my dogs in guarding my flock."

JFB: Job 30:2 - -- If their fathers could be of no profit to me, much less the sons, who are feebler than their sires; and in whose case the hope of attaining old age is...
If their fathers could be of no profit to me, much less the sons, who are feebler than their sires; and in whose case the hope of attaining old age is utterly gone, so puny are they (Job 5:26) [MAURER]. Even if they had "strength of hands," that could be now of no use to me, as all I want in my present affliction is sympathy.

JFB: Job 30:3 - -- Literally, "hard as a rock"; so translate, rather, "dried up," emaciated with hunger. Job describes the rudest race of Bedouins of the desert [UMBREIT...
Literally, "hard as a rock"; so translate, rather, "dried up," emaciated with hunger. Job describes the rudest race of Bedouins of the desert [UMBREIT].

JFB: Job 30:3 - -- So the Septuagint. Better, as Syriac, Arabic, and Vulgate, "gnawers of the wilderness." What they gnaw follows in Job 30:4.
So the Septuagint. Better, as Syriac, Arabic, and Vulgate, "gnawers of the wilderness." What they gnaw follows in Job 30:4.

JFB: Job 30:3 - -- Literally, the "yesternight of desolation and waste" (the most utter desolation; Eze 6:14); that is, those deserts frightful as night to man, and even...
Clarke: Job 30:1 - -- But now they that are younger than I have me in derision - Compare this with Job 29:8, where he speaks of the respect he had from the youth while in...
But now they that are younger than I have me in derision - Compare this with Job 29:8, where he speaks of the respect he had from the youth while in the days of his prosperity. Now he is no longer affluent, and they are no longer respectful

Clarke: Job 30:1 - -- Dogs of my flock - Persons who were not deemed sufficiently respectable to be trusted with the care of those dogs which were the guardians of my flo...
Dogs of my flock - Persons who were not deemed sufficiently respectable to be trusted with the care of those dogs which were the guardians of my flocks. Not confidential enough to be made shepherds, ass-keepers, or camel-drivers; nor even to have the care of the dogs by which the flocks were guarded. This saying is what we call an expression of sovereign contempt.

Clarke: Job 30:2 - -- The strength of their hands profit me - He is speaking here of the fathers of these young men. What was the strength of their hands to me? Their old...
The strength of their hands profit me - He is speaking here of the fathers of these young men. What was the strength of their hands to me? Their old age also has perished. The sense of which I believe to be this: I have never esteemed their strength even in their most vigorous youth, nor their conduct, nor their counsel even in old age. They were never good for any thing, either young or old. As their youth was without profit, so their old age was without honor. See Calmet. Mr. Good contends that the words are Arabic, and should be translated according to the meaning in that language, and the first clause of the third verse joined to the latter clause of the second, without which no good meaning can be elicited so as to keep properly close to the letter. I shall give the Hebrew text, Mr. Good’ s Arabic, and its translation: -
The Hebrew text is this: -
The Arabic version which he translates thus: -
"With whom crabbed looks are perpetual
From hunger and flinty famine.
This translation is very little distant from the import of the present Hebrew text, if it may be called Hebrew, when the principal words are pure Arabic, and the others constructively so.

Clarke: Job 30:3 - -- Fleeing into the wilderness - Seeking something to sustain life even in the barren desert. This shows the extreme of want, when the desert is suppos...
Fleeing into the wilderness - Seeking something to sustain life even in the barren desert. This shows the extreme of want, when the desert is supposed to be the only place where any thing to sustain life can possibly be found.
TSK: Job 30:1 - -- they that are : Job 19:13-19, Job 29:8-10; 2Ki 2:23; Isa 3:5
younger than I : Heb. of fewer days than I
whose : Psa 35:15, Psa 35:16, Psa 69:12; Mar 1...
they that are : Job 19:13-19, Job 29:8-10; 2Ki 2:23; Isa 3:5
younger than I : Heb. of fewer days than I
whose : Psa 35:15, Psa 35:16, Psa 69:12; Mar 14:65, Mar 15:17-20; Luk 23:14, Luk 23:18, Luk 23:35, Luk 23:39; Act 17:5; Tit 1:12

TSK: Job 30:3 - -- solitary : or, dark as the night, Job 24:13-16
fleeing into : Job 24:5; Heb 11:38
in former time : Heb. yesternight
solitary : or, dark as the night, Job 24:13-16
fleeing into : Job 24:5; Heb 11:38
in former time : Heb. yesternight

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Barnes: Job 30:1 - -- But now they that are younger than I - Margin, "of fewer days."It is not probable that Job here refers to his three friends. It is not possible...
But now they that are younger than I - Margin, "of fewer days."It is not probable that Job here refers to his three friends. It is not possible to determine their age with accuracy, but in Job 15:10, they claim that there were with them old and very aged men, much older than the father of Job. Though that place may possibly refer not to themselves but to those who held the same opinions with them, yet none of those who engaged in the discussion, except Ehhu Job 32:6, are represented as young men. They were the contemporaries of Job; men who are ranked as his friends; and men who showed that they had had oppoptunities for long and careful observation. The reference here, therefore, is to the fact that while, in the days of his prosperity, even the aged and the honorable rose up to do him reverence, now he was the object of contempt even by the young and the worthless. The Orientals would feel this much. It was among the chief virtues with them to show respect to the aged, and their sensibilites were especially keen in regard to any indignity shown to them by the young.
Whose fathers I would have disdained - Who are the children of the lowest and most degraded of the community. How deep the calamity to be so fallen as to be the subject of derision by such men!
To have set with the dogs of my flock - To have associated with my dogs in guarding my flock. That is, they were held in less esteem than his dogs. This was the lowest conceivable point of debasement. The Orientals had no language that would express greater contempt of anyone than to call him a dog; compare Deu 23:18; 1Sa 17:43; 1Sa 24:14; 2Sa 3:8; 2Sa 9:8; 2Sa 16:9; 2Ki 8:13; Note Isa 66:3.

Barnes: Job 30:2 - -- Yea, whereto might the strength of their hands profit me - There has been much difference of opinion respecting the meaning of this passage. Th...
Yea, whereto might the strength of their hands profit me - There has been much difference of opinion respecting the meaning of this passage. The general sense is clear. Job means to describe those who were reduced by poverty and want, and who were without respectability or home, and who had no power in any way to affect him. He states that they were so abject and worthless as not to be worth his attention; but even this fact is intended to show how low he was himself reduced, since even the most degraded ranks in life did not show any respect to one who had been honored by princes. The Vulgate renders this, "The strength - virtus - of whose hands is to me as nothing, and they are regarded as unworthy of life."The Septuagint, "And the strength of their hands what is it to me? Upon whom perfection -
In whom old age was perished - Or, rather, in whom vigor, or the power of accomplishing, anything, has ceased. The word

Barnes: Job 30:3 - -- For want and famine - By hunger and poverty their strength is wholly exhausted, and they are among the miserable outcasts of society. In order ...
For want and famine - By hunger and poverty their strength is wholly exhausted, and they are among the miserable outcasts of society. In order to show the depth to which he himself was sunk in public estimation, Job goes into a description of the state of these miserable wretches, and says that he was treated with contempt by the very scum of society, by those who were reduced to the most abject wretchedness, and who wandered in the deserts, subsisting on roots, without clothing, shelter, or home, and who were chased away by the respectable portion of the community as if they were thieves and robbers. The description is one of great power, and presents a sad picture of his own condition.
They were solitary - Margin, or, "dark as the night."Hebrew
Fleeing into the wilderness - Into the desert or lonely wastes. That is, they "fled"there to obtain, on what the desert produced, a scanty subsistence. Such is the usual explanation of the word rendered "flee"-
In the former time - Margin, "yesternight."The Hebrew word (
Desolate and waste - In Hebrew the same word occurs in different forms, designed to give emphasis, and to describe the gloom and solitariness of the desert in the most impressive manner. We should express the same idea by saying that they hid themselves in the "shades"of the wilderness.
Poole: Job 30:1 - -- They that are younger than I whom both universal custom and the light of nature taught to reverence their elders and betters.
Have me in derision m...
They that are younger than I whom both universal custom and the light of nature taught to reverence their elders and betters.
Have me in derision make me the object of their contempt and scoffs: thus my glory is turned into shame.
I would have disdained or rather, I might have disdained , i.e. whose condition was so mean and vile, that in the opinion and according to the custom of the world they were unworthy of such an employment.
To have set with the dogs of my flock to be my shepherds, and the companions of my dogs which watch my flocks. Dogs are every where mentioned with contempt, as filthy, unprofitable, and accursed creatures; as 2Sa 16:9 2Ki 8:13 Phi 3:2 Rev 22:15 .

Poole: Job 30:2 - -- Nor was it strange that I did, or would. or might refuse to take them into any of my meanest services, because they were utterly impotent, and there...
Nor was it strange that I did, or would. or might refuse to take them into any of my meanest services, because they were utterly impotent, and therefore unserviceable.
In whom old age was perished or, lost; either,
1. Because they never attain to it, but are consumed by their lusts or cut off for their wickedness by the just hand of God, or men, in the midst of their days. Or,
2. Because they had so wasted their strength and spirits by their evil courses, that when they came to old age, they were feeble and decrepit, and useless for any labour. Or,
3. Because they had not that prudence and experience which is proper and usual in that age, by which they might have been useful, if not for work, yet to oversee and direct others in their work. But the words may be thus rendered, in whom vigorous age was perished , i.e. who were grown impotent for service. For the word here rendered old age , is used only here and Job 5:26 , where also it may be so rendered, Thou shalt come to thy grave in a vigorous or mature age , having the rigour of youth even in thine old age, and until thy death, as Moses had. And if this word do signify old age , yet it signifies not every, but only a flourishing and vigorous, old age; as the Hebrews note, and the word may seem to imply; whence the LXX. interpreters also render it perfection , to wit, of age, and of thee endowments belonging to age.

Poole: Job 30:3 - -- Want and famine brought upon them either by their own sloth or wickedness, or by God’ s just judgment. Heb. In want and famine , which aggravat...
Want and famine brought upon them either by their own sloth or wickedness, or by God’ s just judgment. Heb. In want and famine , which aggravates their following solitude. Although want commonly drives persons to places of resort and company for relief, yet they were so conscious of their own guilt, and contemptibleness, and hatefulness to all persons, that they shunned all company, and for fear or shame fled into and lived in desolate places.
Haydock: Job 30:1 - -- Flock, to watch over them. (Sanchez) (Calmet) ---
I had so little confidence in them, (Haydock) or they were so very mean. (Calmet) ---
They wer...
Flock, to watch over them. (Sanchez) (Calmet) ---
I had so little confidence in them, (Haydock) or they were so very mean. (Calmet) ---
They were not as well fed as my dogs. (Nicetas.) ---
Job does not speak this out of contempt, as he was affable to all. But this proverbial expression denotes how vile these people were. (Menochius) ---
Even the most contemptible, and such as were not fit to have the care of dogs, derided him. (Worthington)

Haydock: Job 30:2 - -- And they. Hebrew, "Their old age is perished." They were good for nothing all their lives. (Calmet)
And they. Hebrew, "Their old age is perished." They were good for nothing all their lives. (Calmet)

Haydock: Job 30:3 - -- Who. Hebrew, "solitary in," &c. Yet these vagabond (Haydock) people now insult over me. (Calmet)
Who. Hebrew, "solitary in," &c. Yet these vagabond (Haydock) people now insult over me. (Calmet)
Gill: Job 30:1 - -- But now they that are younger than I have me in derision,.... Meaning not his three friends, who were men in years, and were not, at least all of the...
But now they that are younger than I have me in derision,.... Meaning not his three friends, who were men in years, and were not, at least all of them, younger than he, see Job 15:10; nor were they of such a mean extraction, and such low-lived creatures, and of such characters as here described; with such Job would never have held a correspondence in the time of his prosperity; both they and their fathers, in all appearance, were both great and good; but these were a set of profligate and abandoned wretches, who, as soon as Job's troubles came upon him, derided him, mocked and jeered at him, both by words and gestures; and which they might do even before his three friends came to him, and during their seven days' silence with him, and while this debate was carrying on between them, encouraged unto it by their behaviour towards him; to be derided by any is disagreeable to flesh and blood, though it is the common lot of good men, especially in poor and afflicted circumstances, and to be bore patiently; but to be so used by junior and inferior persons is an aggravation of it; as Job was, even by young children, as was also the prophet Elisha, 2Ki 2:23; see Job 19:18;
whose fathers I would have disdained to have set with the dogs of my flock; either to have compared them with the dogs that kept his flock from the wolves, having some good qualities in them which they had not; for what more loving or faithful to their masters, or more vigilant and watchful of their affairs? or to set them at meat with the dogs of his flock; they were unworthy of it, though they would have been glad of the food his dogs ate of, they living better than they, whose meat were mallows and juniper roots, Job 30:4; and would have jumped at it; as the prodigal in want and famine, as those men were, would fain have filled his belly with husks that swine did eat; but as no man gave them to him, so Job disdained to give the meat of his dogs to such as those; or to set them "over" m the dogs of his flock, to be the keepers of them, to be at the head of his dogs, and to have the command of them; see the phrase in 2Sa 3:8; or else to join them with his dogs, to keep his flock with them; they were such worthless faithless wretches, that they were not to be trusted with the care of his flock along with his dogs. It was usual in ancient times, as well as in ours, for dogs to be made use of in keeping flocks of sheep from beasts of prey, as appears from Orpheus n, Homer o, Theocritus p, and other writers: and if the fathers of those that derided Job were such mean, base, worthless creatures, what must their sons be, inferior to them in age and honour, if any degree of honour belonged to them?

Gill: Job 30:2 - -- Yea, whereto might the strength of their hands profit me,.... For though they were strong, lusty, hale men, able to do business, yet their strength ...
Yea, whereto might the strength of their hands profit me,.... For though they were strong, lusty, hale men, able to do business, yet their strength was to sit still and fold their hands in their bosoms, so that their strength was of no profit or avail to themselves or others; they were so slothful and lazy, that Job could not employ them in any business of his to any advantage to himself; and this may be one reason, among others, why he disdained to set them with the dogs of his flock to keep it; for the fathers seem to be intended all along to Job 30:8; though it matters not much to which of them the words are applied, since they were like father like son:
in whom old age was perished? who did not arrive to old age, but were soon consumed by their lusts, or cut off for their sins; and so the strength and labour of their hands, had they been employed, would have been of little worth; because the time of their continuance in service would have been short, especially being idle and slothful: some understand it of a lively and vigorous old age, such as was in Moses; but this being not in them, they were unfit for business, see Job 5:26; or they had not the endowments of old age, the experience, wisdom, and prudence of ancient persons, to contrive, conduct, and manage affairs, or direct in the management of them, which would make up for lack of strength and labour. Ben Gersom, Bar Tzemach, and others, interpret the word of time, or the time of life, that was perished or lost in them; their whole course of life, being spent in sloth and idleness, was all lost time.

Gill: Job 30:3 - -- For want and famine they were solitary,.... The Targum interprets it, without children; but then this cannot be understood of the fathers; rather thr...
For want and famine they were solitary,.... The Targum interprets it, without children; but then this cannot be understood of the fathers; rather through famine and want they were reduced to the utmost extremity, and were as destitute of food as a rock, or hard flint, from whence nothing is to be had, as the word signifies, see Job 3:7;
fleeing into the wilderness in former time desolate and waste: to search and try what they could get there for their sustenance and relief, fleeing through fear of being taken up for some crimes committed, or through shame, on account of their miserable condition, not caring to be seen by men, and therefore fled into the wilderness to get what they could there: but since men in want and famine usually make to cities, and places of resort, where provision may be expected; this may be interpreted not of their flying into the wilderness, though of their being there, perhaps banished thither, see Job 30:5; but of their "gnawing" q, or biting the dry and barren wilderness, and what they could find there; where having short commons, and hunger bitten, they bit close; which, though extremely desolate, they were glad to feed upon what they could light on there; such miserable beggarly creatures were they: and with this agrees what follows.

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NET Notes: Job 30:1 Job is mocked by young fellows who come from low extraction. They mocked their elders and their betters. The scorn is strong here – dogs were de...

NET Notes: Job 30:2 The word כֶּלַח (kelakh) only occurs in Job 5:26; but the Arabic cognate gives this meaning “strength.”...

NET Notes: Job 30:3 The MT has “yesterday desolate and waste.” The word “yesterday” (אֶמֶשׁ, ’emesh) is ...
Geneva Bible: Job 30:1 But now [they that are] younger than I ( a ) have me in derision, whose fathers I would have disdained to have set with the ( b ) dogs of my flock.
(...

Geneva Bible: Job 30:2 Yea, whereto [might] the strength of their hands [profit] me, in whom old age was ( c ) perished?
( c ) That is, their fathers died of hunger before ...

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TSK Synopsis -> Job 30:1-31
TSK Synopsis: Job 30:1-31 - --1 Job's honour is turned into extreme contempt;15 and his prosperity into calamity.
MHCC -> Job 30:1-14
MHCC: Job 30:1-14 - --Job contrasts his present condition with his former honour and authority. What little cause have men to be ambitious or proud of that which may be so ...
Matthew Henry -> Job 30:1-14
Matthew Henry: Job 30:1-14 - -- Here Job makes a very large and sad complaint of the great disgrace he had fallen into, from the height of honour and reputation, which was exceedin...
Keil-Delitzsch -> Job 30:1-4
Keil-Delitzsch: Job 30:1-4 - --
1 And now they who are younger than I have me in derision,
Those whose fathers I disdained To set with the dogs of my flock.
2 Yea, the strength o...
Constable -> Job 29:1--31:40; Job 30:1-31
Constable: Job 29:1--31:40 - --2. Job's defense of his innocence ch. 29-31
Job gave a soliloquy before his dialogue with his th...
