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12:34 Then the crowd responded, “We have heard from the law that the Christ will remain forever. How can you say, ‘The Son of Man must be lifted up’? Who is this Son of Man?”
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Robertson: Joh 12:34 - -- Out of the law ( ek tou nomou ). That is, "out of the Scriptures"(Joh 10:34; Joh 15:25).

Out of the law ( ek tou nomou ).

That is, "out of the Scriptures"(Joh 10:34; Joh 15:25).

Robertson: Joh 12:34 - -- The Christ abideth forever ( ho Christos menei eis ton aiōna ). Timeless present active indicative of menō , to abide, remain. Perhaps from Psa 8...

The Christ abideth forever ( ho Christos menei eis ton aiōna ).

Timeless present active indicative of menō , to abide, remain. Perhaps from Psa 89:4; Psa 110:4; Isa 9:7; Eze 37:25; Dan 7:14.

Robertson: Joh 12:34 - -- How sayest thou? ( pōs legeis su ). In opposition to the law (Scripture).

How sayest thou? ( pōs legeis su ).

In opposition to the law (Scripture).

Robertson: Joh 12:34 - -- The Son of man ( ton huion tou anthrōpou ). Accusative case of general reference with the infinitive hupsōthēnai (first aorist passive of hup...

The Son of man ( ton huion tou anthrōpou ).

Accusative case of general reference with the infinitive hupsōthēnai (first aorist passive of hupsoō and taken in the sense of death by the cross as Jesus used it in Joh 12:32). Clearly the crowd understand Jesus to be "the Son of man"and take the phrase to be equivalent to "the Christ."This is the obvious way to understand the two terms in their reply, and not, as Bernard suggests, that they saw no connexion between "the Christ"(the Messiah) and "the Son of man."The use of "this"(houtos ) in the question that follows is in contrast to Joh 12:32. The Messiah (the Son of man) abides forever and is not to be crucified as you say he "must"(dei ) be.

Vincent: Joh 12:34 - -- The law See on Joh 10:34.

The law

See on Joh 10:34.

Wesley: Joh 12:34 - -- How can these things be reconciled? Very easily. He first dies, and then abideth for ever.

How can these things be reconciled? Very easily. He first dies, and then abideth for ever.

Wesley: Joh 12:34 - -- Is he the Christ? Psa 110:4.

Is he the Christ? Psa 110:4.

JFB: Joh 12:34 - -- The scriptures of the Old Testament (referring to such places as Psa 89:28-29; Psa 110:4; Dan 2:44; Dan 7:13-14).

The scriptures of the Old Testament (referring to such places as Psa 89:28-29; Psa 110:4; Dan 2:44; Dan 7:13-14).

JFB: Joh 12:34 - -- The Christ "endureth for ever."

The Christ "endureth for ever."

JFB: Joh 12:34 - -- How can that consist with this "uplifting?" They saw very well both that He was holding Himself up as the Christ and a Christ to die a violent death; ...

How can that consist with this "uplifting?" They saw very well both that He was holding Himself up as the Christ and a Christ to die a violent death; and as that ran counter to all their ideas of the Messianic prophecies, they were glad to get this seeming advantage to justify their unyielding attitude.

Clarke: Joh 12:34 - -- We have heard out of the law - That is, out of the sacred writings. The words here are quoted from Psa 110:4; but the Jews called every part of the ...

We have heard out of the law - That is, out of the sacred writings. The words here are quoted from Psa 110:4; but the Jews called every part of the sacred writings by the name, The Law, in opposition to the words or sayings of the scribes. See on Joh 10:34 (note)

Clarke: Joh 12:34 - -- That Christ abideth for ever - There was no part of the law nor of the Scripture that said the Messiah should not die; but there are several passage...

That Christ abideth for ever - There was no part of the law nor of the Scripture that said the Messiah should not die; but there are several passages that say as expressly as they can that Christ must die, and die for the sin of the world too. See especially Isa 53:1, etc.; Dan 9:24, Dan 9:27. But as there were several passages that spoke of the perpetuity of his reign, as Isa 9:7; Eze 37:25; Dan 7:14, they probably confounded the one with the other, and thus drew the conclusion, The Messiah cannot die; for the Scripture hath said, his throne, kingdom, and reign shall be eternal. The prophets, as well as the evangelists and apostles, speak sometimes of the Divine, sometimes of the human nature of Christ: when they speak of the former, they show forth its glory, excellence, omnipotence, omniscience, and eternity; when they speak of the latter, they show forth its humiliations, afflictions, sufferings, and death. And those who do not make the proper distinction between the two natures of Christ, the human and the Divine, will ever make blunders as well as the Jews. It is only on the ground of two natures in Christ that the Scriptures which speak of him, either in the Old or New Testament, can be possibly understood. No position in the Gospel is plainer than this, God was manifest in the flesh.

Calvin: Joh 12:34 - -- 34.We have heard from the law Their intention undoubtedly was, to carp malignantly at the words of Christ; and therefore their malice blinds them, so...

34.We have heard from the law Their intention undoubtedly was, to carp malignantly at the words of Christ; and therefore their malice blinds them, so that they perceive nothing amidst the clearest light. They say that Jesus ought not to be regarded as the Christ, because he said that he would die, while the Law ascribes perpetuity to the Messiah; as if both statements had not been expressly made in the Law that Christ will die, and that afterwards his kingdom will flourish to the end of the world. But they seize on the second clause, and make it a ground of calumny. The origin of their error was, that they judged of the splendor of Messiah’s kingdom according to their carnal views; in consequence of which, they reject Christ because he does not correspond to their foolish notion. Under the term the Law they embrace also the Prophets, and the present tense — remaineth — -is used, agreeably to the Hebrew idiom, instead of the future tense, will remain

Who is that Son of man? This is a reproachful question, as if that short refutation vanquished Christ so completely that he had nothing more to say. 27 This shows how haughty their ignorance was; for it is as if they had said, “Go now, and boast that thou art the Christ, since thine own confession proves that thou hast nothing to do with the Messiah.”

Defender: Joh 12:34 - -- Indeed He shall, for "His name shall endure for ever" (Psa 72:17). His kingdom shall endure "with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for e...

Indeed He shall, for "His name shall endure for ever" (Psa 72:17). His kingdom shall endure "with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever" (Isa 9:7). But first, He must be "lifted up" and then "the Son of man should be glorified" (Joh 12:23) through His sacrificial death and victory over death."

TSK: Joh 12:34 - -- the law : Joh 10:34, Joh 15:25; Rom 3:19, Rom 5:18 Christ : 2Sa 7:13; Psa 72:7, Psa 72:17-19, Psa 89:36, Psa 89:37, Psa 110:4; Isa 9:7, Isa 53:8; Eze ...

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Barnes: Joh 12:34 - -- We have heard out of the law - Out of the Old Testament; or rather we have been so taught by those who have interpreted the law to us. Tha...

We have heard out of the law - Out of the Old Testament; or rather we have been so taught by those who have interpreted the law to us.

That Christ - That the Messiah.

Abideth for ever - Will remain forever, or will live forever. The doctrine of many of them certainly was that the Messiah would not die; that he would reign as a prince forever over the people. This opinion was founded on such passages of Scripture as these: Psa 110:4, "Thou art a priest forever;"Dan 2:44; Dan 8:13-14. In the interpretation of these passages they had overlooked such places as Isa 53:1-12; nor did they understand how the fact that he would reign for ever could be reconciled with the idea of his death. To us, who understand that his reign does not refer to a temporal, an earthly kingdom, it is easy.

How sayest thou ... - We have understood by the title "the Son of man"the same as the Messiah, and that he is to reign forever. How can he be put to death?

Who is this Son of man? - "The Son of man we understand to be the Messiah spoken of by Daniel, who is to reign forever. To him, therefore, you cannot refer when you say that he must be lifted up, or must die. Who is it - what other Son of man is referred to but the Messiah?"Either ignorantly or willfully, they supposed he referred to some one else than the Messiah.

Poole: Joh 12:34 - -- Here again the law is taken in a larger sense than in some places, where it is only significant of the books of Moses, in opposition to the prophet...

Here again the law is taken in a larger sense than in some places, where it is only significant of the books of Moses, in opposition to the prophets and other holy writings, as we had it before, Joh 10:34 ; for the places of Scripture which the people seem to refer to, seem to be Psa 110:4 , where Christ is called a priest for ever; or else Dan 7:14 , where the kingdom of the Messiah is said to be an everlasting dominion, which should not pass away, a kingdom that should not be destroyed: so also, Dan 2:44 Mic 4:7 . These old prophecies of the Messiah the people could not reconcile to what our Saviour here told them of his death; the reason was, their not understanding the true notion of the Messiah, and of his kingdom, which they fancied not to be a spiritual and eternal kingdom, but a temporal kingdom here on earth. This made them ask, how, (that is, with what consistency to those prophecies), if he indeed were the Messias, he said, The Son of man should die; for that they understood by the term

lifted up which maketh it very plain, that it was a phrase they used to express that kind of death by. They ask who he meant by the Son of man.

Lightfoot: Joh 12:34 - -- The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is...

The people answered him, We have heard out of the law that Christ abideth for ever: and how sayest thou, The Son of man must be lifted up? who is this Son of man?   

[We have heard out of the law.] Out of the law; that is, as the phrase is opposed to the words of the scribes. So we often meet with This is out of the law; or Scripture, to which is opposed This is out of the Rabbins.   

"That Christ abideth for ever." How then came the Rabbins to determine his time and years? some to the space of forty years, some to seventy, and others to three generations? After the days of Messiah, they expected that eternity should follow.

Haydock: Joh 12:34 - -- How sayest thou the Son of man must be lifted up? By these words of the people, Christ, in this discourse must have called himself the Son of man, ...

How sayest thou the Son of man must be lifted up? By these words of the people, Christ, in this discourse must have called himself the Son of man, though it is not here mentioned by the evangelist. The people also tell him, they had heard that their Messias was to abide for ever: which was true as to his spiritual kingdom of grace, not as to such a glorious temporal kingdom, as they imagined. (Witham)

Gill: Joh 12:34 - -- The people answered him,.... Not the Greeks, but the Jews, and these not such as were friends to Christ, but cavillers at him: we have heard out of...

The people answered him,.... Not the Greeks, but the Jews, and these not such as were friends to Christ, but cavillers at him:

we have heard out of the law; not the five books of Moses, but the Prophets, and Hagiographa; even all the books of the Old Testament are called the law; See Gill on Joh 10:34;

that Christ abideth for ever; referring to those places which speak of the perpetuity of his priesthood and the everlasting duration of his kingdom, Psa 110:4, in which last text express mention is made of the son of man, and that and the first may be more especially respected; from whence it appears, that these passages were understood of the Messiah by the ancient Jews: they knew he was designed in Psa 110:4. He is David's Lord that was bid to sit at the right hand of Jehovah, after he was raised from the dead, and had ascended on high; whose Gospel went forth with power, and whose people, by it, were made willing to submit to him, to his righteousness, and the sceptre of his kingdom; and who also is a priest for ever; and which is appealed to as a proof of the nature, kind, and duration of Christ's priesthood, Heb 5:6; and so it may be observed it is expressly applied to him by Jewish writers: in Zec 4:14 it is said "these are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth"; of which this interpretation is given f.

"These are Aaron and the Messiah; and it would not be known which of them is (most) beloved, but that he says, Psa 110:4, "the Lord hath sworn, and will not repent, thou art a priest for ever"; from whence it is manifest that the Messiah is more beloved than Aaron the righteous priest.''

And so another of them g, speaking of Melchizedek, says,

"this is that which is written Psa 110:4, "the Lord hath sworn", &c. who is this? this is he that is just, and having salvation, the King Messiah, as it is said, Zec 9:9.''

So the 45th Psalm is understood by them of the Messiah; the King, in Psa 45:1, is by Ben Melech, said to be the King Messiah; Psa 45:2 is thus paraphrased by the Targum,

"thy beauty, O King Messiah, is more excellent than the children of men.''

And Aben Ezra observes, that this Psalm is either concerning David, or the Messiah his son, whose name is David, Eze 37:25 h; and the passage in Psa 72:17 is frequently interpreted of the Messiah and his name, and is brought as a proof of the antiquity of it i; and Psa 89:36 is also applied to him; and as for Dan 7:13, that is by many, both ancient and modern Jews, explained of the Messiah k and since then they understood these passages of him, it is easy to observe from whence they took this notion that the Messiah should abide for ever; but then they should have observed out of the same law, or Holy Scriptures, that the Messiah was to be stricken and cut off, was to be brought to the dust of death, and to pour out his soul unto death; all which is consistent with his abiding for ever, in his person and office; for though according to the said writings, he was to die and be buried, yet he was not to see corruption; he was to rise again, ascend on high, sit at the right hand of God, and rule till all his enemies became his footstool; his sufferings were to be in the way, and in order to his entrance into the glory that should always abide. The Jews have entertained a notion that Messiah the son of David shall not die, and they lay down this as a rule, that if anyone sets up for a Messiah, and does not prosper, but is slain, it is a plain case he is not the Messiah; so all the wise men at first thought that Ben Coziba was the Messiah, but when he was slain it was known to them that he was not l. And upon this principle these Jews confront the Messiahship of Jesus, saying,

and how sayest thou, the son of man must be lifted up? for it seems Christ used the phrase the son of man in his discourse, though John has not recorded it; he attending to his sense, and not to his express words. The Jews rightly understood him, that by the son of man he meant the Messiah, and by his being lifted up, his death; but they did not understand, how the Messiah could die, and yet abide for ever; and therefore since he intended himself by the son of man, they concluded he talked very inconsistent with the Scriptures, and with the character he assumed, and ask very pertly,

who is this son of man? is there any other son of man besides the Messiah? and can the son of man, that is the Messiah, be lifted up, or die, who is to abide for ever? and if thou art to be lifted up, or die, thou art not the Messiah or Daniel's son of man, whose kingdom is everlasting: but how come the Jews themselves to say, that the days of the Messiah, according to some, are but forty years, according to others seventy, according to others, three hundred and sixty five m? yea, they say, he shall be as other men, marry, have children, and then die n. And how comes it to pass that Messiah ben Joseph shall be slain o? the truth of the matter is this, they having lost the true sense of the prophecies concerning the Messiah, and observing some that seem to differ, and which they know not how to reconcile, have fancied two Messiahs, the one that will be much distressed and be overcome and be slain; the other, who will be potent and victorious.

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NET Notes: Joh 12:34 Grk “And how”; the conjunction καί (kai, “and”) has been left untranslated here for improved English style.

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TSK Synopsis: Joh 12:1-50 - --1 Jesus excuses Mary anointing his feet.9 The people flock to see Lazarus.10 The chief priests consult to kill him.12 Christ rides into Jerusalem.20 G...

Combined Bible: Joh 12:21-36 - --Exposition of the Gospel of John    CHAPTER 43    Christ Sought by Gentiles    John 12:20-36    The fol...

Maclaren: Joh 12:34 - --The Son Of Man Who is this Son of Man?'--John 12:34. I HAVE thought that a useful sermon may be devoted to the consideration of the remarkable name w...

MHCC: Joh 12:34-36 - --The people drew false notions from the Scriptures, because they overlooked the prophecies that spoke of Christ's sufferings and death. Our Lord warned...

Matthew Henry: Joh 12:27-36 - -- Honour is here done to Christ by his Father in a voice from heaven, occasioned by the following part of his discourse, and which gave occasion to a ...

Barclay: Joh 12:27-34 - --In this passage John shows us both Jesus' tension and his triumph, and shows us what turned the tension into the triumph. (i) John does not tell us ...

Barclay: Joh 12:27-34 - --Jesus claimed that, when he was lifted up, he would draw all men to him. Some take this to refer to the Ascension and think it means that when Jesu...

Constable: Joh 1:19--13:1 - --II. Jesus' public ministry 1:19--12:50 The first part of the body of John's Gospel records Jesus' public ministr...

Constable: Joh 11:1--12:50 - --I. The conclusion of Jesus' public ministry chs. 11-12 The major theme of the Gospel, Jesus' identity as...

Constable: Joh 12:20-36 - --6. Jesus' announcement of His death 12:20-36 One example that Jesus was attracting people from o...

Constable: Joh 12:27-36 - --The importance of believing now 12:27-36 12:27 Anticipation of the death that had to precede the glory troubled Jesus deeply (Gr. tataraktai, cf. 11:3...

College: Joh 12:1-50 - --JOHN 12 8. Preparation for Passover and Death (12:1-50) Mary's Anointing of Jesus (12:1-11) 1 Six days before the Passover, Jesus arrived at Bethan...

McGarvey: Joh 12:20-50 - -- CXII. GREEKS SEEK JESUS. HE FORETELLS THAT HE SHALL DRAW ALL MEN UNTO HIM. (In the Temple. Tuesday, April 4, A. D. 30.) dJOHN XII. 20-50.  &nbs...

Lapide: Joh 12:1-36 - --1-50 CHAPTER 12 Ver. 1.— Then Jesus six days before the Passover, &c. He came from Ephraim, as the Passover was drawing on when He was to die. An...

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Haydock: John (Book Introduction) THE HOLY GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST, ACCORDING TO ST. JOHN. INTRODUCTION St. John, the evangelist, a native of Bathsaida, in Galilee, was the son ...

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