
Text -- John 8:21-30 (NET)




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Robertson: Joh 8:21 - -- Again ( palin ).
Probably palin (again) in Joh 8:12 refers to a day after the feast is over since the last day is mentioned in Joh 7:37. So then he...

Robertson: Joh 8:21 - -- And ye shall seek me ( kai zētēsete me ).
As in Joh 7:34, "the search of despair"(Bernard), seeking for the Messiah when it is too late, the trag...

Robertson: Joh 8:21 - -- And ye shall die in your sin ( kai en tēi hamartiāi humōn apothaneisthe ).
Future middle indicative of apothnēskō which is the emphatic w...
And ye shall die in your sin (
Future middle indicative of

Robertson: Joh 8:21 - -- Ye cannot come ( humeis ou dunasthe elthein ).
Precise language of Joh 7:34 to the Jews and to the apostles in Joh 13:33.

Robertson: Joh 8:22 - -- Will he kill himself? ( mēti apoktenei heauton ).
Negative answer formally expected, but there is a manifest sneer in the query. "The mockery in th...
Will he kill himself? (
Negative answer formally expected, but there is a manifest sneer in the query. "The mockery in these words is alike subtle and bitter"(Vincent). It was a different group of Jews in Joh 7:31 who cynically suggested that he was going to work among the Greeks in the Dispersion. Here they infer that Jesus refers to the next world. They suggest the depths of Gehenna for him as the abode of suicides (Josephus, War III. viii. 5). Of course the rabbis could not join Jesus there! Edersheim argues against this view.

Robertson: Joh 8:23 - -- Ye are from beneath ( humeis ek tōn katō ).
This language, peculiar to John, could take up the idea in Josephus that these rabbis came from Gehen...
Ye are from beneath (
This language, peculiar to John, could take up the idea in Josephus that these rabbis came from Gehenna whence they will go as children of the devil (Joh 8:44), but the use of

Robertson: Joh 8:23 - -- I am from above ( egō ek tōn anō eimi ).
The contrast is complete in origin and character, already stated in Joh 3:31, and calculated to intens...
I am from above (
The contrast is complete in origin and character, already stated in Joh 3:31, and calculated to intensify their anger.

Robertson: Joh 8:24 - -- For except ye believe ( ean gar mē pisteusēte ).
Negative condition of third class with ean mē and ingressive aorist active subjunctive of pi...
For except ye believe (
Negative condition of third class with

Robertson: Joh 8:24 - -- That I am he ( hoti egō eimi ).
Indirect discourse, but with no word in the predicate after the copula eimi . Jesus can mean either "that I am from...
That I am he (
Indirect discourse, but with no word in the predicate after the copula

Robertson: Joh 8:25 - -- Who art thou? ( Su tis ei ).
Proleptic use of su before tis , "Thou, who art thou?"Cf. Joh 1:19. He had virtually claimed to be the Messiah and on ...

Robertson: Joh 8:25 - -- Even that which I have also spoken unto you from the beginning ( tēn archēn hoti kai lalō humin ).
A difficult sentence. It is not clear whethe...
Even that which I have also spoken unto you from the beginning (
A difficult sentence. It is not clear whether it is an affirmation or a question. The Latin and Syriac versions treat it as affirmative. Westcott and Hort follow Meyer and take it as interrogative. The Greek fathers take it as an exclamation. It seems clear that the adverbial accusative

Robertson: Joh 8:26 - -- I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you ( polla echō peri humōn lalein kai krinein ).
Instead of further talk about his own claim...
I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you (
Instead of further talk about his own claims (already plain enough) Jesus turns to speak and to judge concerning them and their attitude towards him (cf. Joh 8:16). Whatever they think of Jesus the Father who sent him is true (

Robertson: Joh 8:27 - -- They perceived not ( ouk egnōsan ).
Second aorist active indicative of ginōskō . "Preoccupied as they were with thoughts of an earthly delivere...
They perceived not (
Second aorist active indicative of

Robertson: Joh 8:27 - -- That he spake to them of the Father ( hoti ton patera autois elegen ).
Indirect assertion, but with the present indicative (legei ) changed to the i...
That he spake to them of the Father (
Indirect assertion, but with the present indicative (

Robertson: Joh 8:28 - -- When ye have lifted up the Son of man ( hotan hupsōsēte ton huion tou anthrōpou ).
Indefinite temporal clause with hotan (hote +an ) and t...
When ye have lifted up the Son of man (
Indefinite temporal clause with

Robertson: Joh 8:28 - -- Shall ye know ( gnōsesthe ).
Future (ingressive aoristic) middle of ginōskō . Cognoscetis ex re quod nunc ex verbo non creditis (Bengel). Bu...
Shall ye know (
Future (ingressive aoristic) middle of

Robertson: Joh 8:28 - -- As the Father taught me ( Kathōs edidasken me ho patēr ).
This claim Jesus repeats (see Joh 8:26) and clearly makes on his arrival at the feast (...

Robertson: Joh 8:29 - -- Is with me ( met' emou estin ).
The Incarnation brought separation from the Father in one sense, but in essence there is complete harmony and fellows...
Is with me (
The Incarnation brought separation from the Father in one sense, but in essence there is complete harmony and fellowship as he had already said (Joh 8:16) and will expand in Joh 17:21-26.

Robertson: Joh 8:29 - -- He hath not left me alone ( ouk aphēken me monon ).
First aorist active indicative of aphiēmi . "He did not leave me alone."However much the crow...

Robertson: Joh 8:29 - -- That are pleasing to him ( ta aresta autōi ).
This old verbal adjective, from areskō , to please, in N.T. only here, Act 6:4; Act 12:3; 1Jo 3:22....

Robertson: Joh 8:30 - -- Many believed on him ( polloi episteusan eis auton ).
Ingressive aorist active indicative, came to believe, nominally at any rate, as in Joh 2:23. Bu...
Many believed on him (
Ingressive aorist active indicative, came to believe, nominally at any rate, as in Joh 2:23. But the tension was keen and Jesus proceeded to test the faith of these new believers from among the Pharisees.
Vincent: Joh 8:21 - -- Then ( οὖν )
Properly, therefore , connecting the fact of Jesus' continuing to speak with His freedom from arrest.
Then (
Properly, therefore , connecting the fact of Jesus' continuing to speak with His freedom from arrest.

Said Jesus
Omit Jesus , and read, He said therefore .

Vincent: Joh 8:21 - -- Go away ( ὑπάγω )
Withdraw myself from you; this sense being emphasized by the succeeding words, ye shall seek me . In expres...
Go away (
Withdraw myself from you; this sense being emphasized by the succeeding words, ye shall seek me . In expressing one's departure from men or from surrounding objects, we may emphasize merely the fact of removal , in which case

Vincent: Joh 8:21 - -- In your sin ( ἐν τῇ ἁμαρτίᾳ ὑμῶν )
See on Mat 1:21. Note the singular, sin , not sins . It is used collectivel...
In your sin (
See on Mat 1:21. Note the singular, sin , not sins . It is used collectively to express the whole condition of estrangement from God.

Vincent: Joh 8:22 - -- Will He kill Himself ( μήτι ἀποκτενεῖ ἑαυτὸν )?
The mockery in these words is alike subtle and bitter. The interroga...
Will He kill Himself (
The mockery in these words is alike subtle and bitter. The interrogative particle,

Vincent: Joh 8:23 - -- Ye are from beneath ( ἐκ τῶν κάτω ἐστὲ )
A phrase peculiar to John and to his Gospel. Jesus states the radical antagonism ...
Ye are from beneath (
A phrase peculiar to John and to his Gospel. Jesus states the radical antagonism between His opposers and Himself, as based upon difference of origin and nature . They spring from the lower, sensual, earthly economy; He from the heavenly. Compare Jam 3:15 sqq.

Vincent: Joh 8:23 - -- From above ( ἐκ τῶν ἄνω )
Also peculiar to John's Gospel. Compare Col 3:1. On the phrase to be of (εἶναι ἐκ ) ...

Vincent: Joh 8:23 - -- Ye are of this world ( ἐκ τοῦ κόσμου τούτου ἐστὲ )
Peculiar to John, and occurring in the First Epistle. On κο...
Ye are of this world (
Peculiar to John, and occurring in the First Epistle. On

Vincent: Joh 8:24 - -- I am he ( ἐγώ εἰμι )
He is inserted in the versions and is not in the text. By retaining it, we read, I am the Messiah . Bu...
I am he (
He is inserted in the versions and is not in the text. By retaining it, we read, I am the Messiah . But the words are rather the solemn expression of His absolute divine being, as in Joh 8:58 : " If ye believe not that I am ." See Deu 32:39; Isa 43:10; and compare Joh 8:28, Joh 8:58 of this chapter, and Joh 13:19.

Vincent: Joh 8:25 - -- Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning ( τὴν ἀρχὴν ὅ τι καὶ λαλῶ ὑμῖν )
A very difficult p...
Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning (
A very difficult passage, on which the commentators are almost hopelessly divided. There are two main classes of interpretations, according to one of which it is to be read interrogatively , and according to the other, affirmatively . The two principal representatives of the former class are Meyer, who renders " Do you ask that which all along (
The second class of interpreters, who construe the passage affirmatively , vary in their explanations of
I adopt the view of Alford, who renders essentially , explaining by generally , or traced up to its principle (

Vincent: Joh 8:26 - -- I have many things, etc.
The connection of thought seems to be as follows: " I being such as my words show me to be, I must declare the whole mes...
I have many things, etc.
The connection of thought seems to be as follows: " I being such as my words show me to be, I must declare the whole message of Him by virtue of my essential union with whom I speak. Many things I have to declare and judge, and you may turn a deaf ear to them; nevertheless, I must speak the whole truth, the things which I have heard from Him who sent me and who is true."

Vincent: Joh 8:26 - -- I speak to the world ( λέγω εἰς τὸν κοσμὸν )
The best texts read λαλῶ , which emphasizes not what Christ says (wh...
I speak to the world (
The best texts read

They understood (
Perceived , as Rev.

He spake
Imperfect. Was speaking would be much better.

Vincent: Joh 8:28 - -- Of myself ( ἀπ ' ἐμαυτοῦ )
Properly, from myself, as Rev., at Joh 7:17, but not here. See on Joh 7:17.

Vincent: Joh 8:28 - -- Hath taught ( ἐδίδαξεν )
Rev., more correctly, taught . The aorist tense, regarding the teaching as a single act. Compare ἤκο...
Hath taught (
Rev., more correctly, taught . The aorist tense, regarding the teaching as a single act. Compare

Vincent: Joh 8:28 - -- I speak these things ( παῦτα λαλῶ )
Not equivalent to so I speak ( i . e ., as the Father taught me), but an absolute declaration ...
I speak these things (
Not equivalent to so I speak ( i . e ., as the Father taught me), but an absolute declaration with reference to these present revelations.

Vincent: Joh 8:29 - -- Those things that please Him ( τὰ ἀρεστὰ αὐτῷ )
Literally, as Rev., the things that are pleasing to Him . A...
Those things that please Him (
Literally, as Rev., the things that are pleasing to Him . Always (
Wesley: Joh 8:23 - -- Again he passes over their interruption, and proves what he advanced, Joh 8:21.
Again he passes over their interruption, and proves what he advanced, Joh 8:21.

Here he directly shows whence he came, even from heaven, and whither he goes.

Wesley: Joh 8:24 - -- Here (as in Joh 8:58) our Lord claims the Divine name, I AM, Exo 3:14. But the Jews, as if he had stopped short, and not finished the sentence, answer...

Wesley: Joh 8:25 - -- The same which I say to you, as it were in one discourse, with one even tenor from the time I first spake to you.
The same which I say to you, as it were in one discourse, with one even tenor from the time I first spake to you.

Wesley: Joh 8:26 - -- I have much to say concerning your inexcusable unbelief: but he that sent me is true - Whether ye believe or no.
I have much to say concerning your inexcusable unbelief: but he that sent me is true - Whether ye believe or no.

I deliver truly what he hath given me in charge.

Wesley: Joh 8:27 - -- That by him that sent him he meant God the Father. Therefore in Joh 8:28-29 he speaks plainly of the Father, and again claims the Divine name, I AM.
That by him that sent him he meant God the Father. Therefore in Joh 8:28-29 he speaks plainly of the Father, and again claims the Divine name, I AM.

Wesley: Joh 8:28 - -- On the cross, ye shall know - And so many of them did, that I AM - God over all; and that I do nothing of myself - Being one with the Father.
On the cross, ye shall know - And so many of them did, that I AM - God over all; and that I do nothing of myself - Being one with the Father.

Never from the moment I came into the world.
JFB -> Joh 8:21-25; Joh 8:22; Joh 8:23; Joh 8:24; Joh 8:25; Joh 8:26-27; Joh 8:28-30; Joh 8:28-30; Joh 8:29; Joh 8:30
(See on Joh 7:33).

JFB: Joh 8:22 - -- Seeing something more in His words than before (Joh 7:35), but their question more malignant and scornful.
Seeing something more in His words than before (Joh 7:35), but their question more malignant and scornful.

JFB: Joh 8:23 - -- Contrasting Himself, not as in Joh 3:31, simply with earthborn messengers of God, but with men sprung from and breathing an opposite element from His,...
Contrasting Himself, not as in Joh 3:31, simply with earthborn messengers of God, but with men sprung from and breathing an opposite element from His, which rendered it impossible that He and they should have any present fellowship, or dwell eternally together. (Again see on Joh 7:33; also see on Joh 8:44).

JFB: Joh 8:24 - -- They knew well enough what He meant (Mar 13:6, Greek; compare Mat 24:5). But He would not, by speaking it out, give them the materials for a charge fo...
They knew well enough what He meant (Mar 13:6, Greek; compare Mat 24:5). But He would not, by speaking it out, give them the materials for a charge for which they were watching. At the same time, one is irresistibly reminded by such language, so far transcending what is becoming in men, of those ancient declarations of the God of Israel, "I AM HE" (Deu 32:39; Isa 43:10, Isa 43:13; Isa 46:4; Isa 48:12). See on Joh 6:20.

Hoping thus to extort an explicit answer; but they are disappointed.

JFB: Joh 8:26-27 - -- That is, I could, and at the fitting time, will say and judge many things of you (referring perhaps to the work of the Spirit which is for judgment as...
That is, I could, and at the fitting time, will say and judge many things of you (referring perhaps to the work of the Spirit which is for judgment as well as salvation, Joh 16:8), but what I do say is just the message My Father hath given Me to deliver.

JFB: Joh 8:28-30 - -- The plainest intimation He had yet given in public of the manner and the authors of His death.
The plainest intimation He had yet given in public of the manner and the authors of His death.

JFB: Joh 8:28-30 - -- That is, find out, or have sufficient evidence, how true was all He said, though they would be far from owning it.
That is, find out, or have sufficient evidence, how true was all He said, though they would be far from owning it.

JFB: Joh 8:29 - -- That is, To you, who gnash upon Me with your teeth, and frown down all open appearance for Me, I seem to stand uncountenanced and alone; but I have a ...
That is, To you, who gnash upon Me with your teeth, and frown down all open appearance for Me, I seem to stand uncountenanced and alone; but I have a sympathy and support transcending all human applause; I came hither to do My Father's will, and in the doing of it have not ceased to please Him; therefore is He ever by Me with His approving smile, His cheering words, His supporting arm.

JFB: Joh 8:30 - -- Instead of wondering at this, the wonder would be if words of such unearthly, surpassing grandeur could be uttered without captivating some that heard...
Instead of wondering at this, the wonder would be if words of such unearthly, surpassing grandeur could be uttered without captivating some that heard them. And just as "all that sat in the council" to try Stephen "saw his face"--though expecting nothing but death--"as it had been the face of an angel" (Act 6:15), so may we suppose that, full of the sweet supporting sense of His Father's presence, amidst the rage and scorn of the rulers, a divine benignity beamed from His countenance, irradiated the words that fell from Him, and won over the candid "many" of His audience.
Clarke: Joh 8:21 - -- Then said Jesus again unto them - He had said the same things to them the day before. See Joh 7:34
Then said Jesus again unto them - He had said the same things to them the day before. See Joh 7:34

Clarke: Joh 8:21 - -- Ye shall seek me - When your calamities come upon you, ye shall in vain seek for the help of the Messiah, whom ye now reject, and whom ye shall shor...
Ye shall seek me - When your calamities come upon you, ye shall in vain seek for the help of the Messiah, whom ye now reject, and whom ye shall shortly crucify.

Clarke: Joh 8:22 - -- Will he kill himself? - They now understood that he spoke concerning his death; but before, Joh 7:35, they thought he spoke of going to some of the ...
Will he kill himself? - They now understood that he spoke concerning his death; but before, Joh 7:35, they thought he spoke of going to some of the Grecian provinces, to preach to the dispersed Jews.

Clarke: Joh 8:23 - -- Ye are from beneath - Ye are capable of murder, and of self-murder too, because ye have nothing of God in you. Ye are altogether earthly, sensual, a...
Ye are from beneath - Ye are capable of murder, and of self-murder too, because ye have nothing of God in you. Ye are altogether earthly, sensual, and devilish. They verified this character in murdering the Lord Jesus; and many of them afterwards, to escape famine, etc., put an end to their own lives.

Clarke: Joh 8:25 - -- Who art thou? - This marks the indignation of the Pharisees - as if they had said: Who art thou that takest upon thee to deal out threatenings in th...
Who art thou? - This marks the indignation of the Pharisees - as if they had said: Who art thou that takest upon thee to deal out threatenings in this manner against us

Clarke: Joh 8:25 - -- Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning - Rather, Just what I have already told you, i.e. that I am the light o...
Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning - Rather, Just what I have already told you, i.e. that I am the light of the world - the Christ - the Savior of mankind. There are a variety of renderings for this verse among the critics. Some consider

Clarke: Joh 8:26 - -- I have many things to say and to judge of you - Or, to speak and to condemn, etc. I could speedily expose all your iniquities - your pride and ambit...
I have many things to say and to judge of you - Or, to speak and to condemn, etc. I could speedily expose all your iniquities - your pride and ambition, your hypocrisy and irreligion, your hatred to the light, and your malice against the truth, together with the present obstinate unbelief of your hearts, and show that these are the reasons why I say you will die in your sins; but these will appear in their true light: when, after you have crucified me, the judgments of God shall descend upon and consume you

Clarke: Joh 8:26 - -- He that sent me is true - Whatever he hath spoken of you by the prophets shall surely come to pass; his word cannot fail.
He that sent me is true - Whatever he hath spoken of you by the prophets shall surely come to pass; his word cannot fail.

Clarke: Joh 8:28 - -- When ye have lifted up - When ye have crucified me, and thus filled up the measure of your iniquities, ye shall know that I am the Christ, by the si...
When ye have lifted up - When ye have crucified me, and thus filled up the measure of your iniquities, ye shall know that I am the Christ, by the signs that shall follow; and ye shall know that what I spoke is true, by the judgments that shall follow. To be lifted up, is a common mode of expression, among the Jewish writers, for to die, or to be killed.

Clarke: Joh 8:29 - -- The Father hath not left me alone - Though ye shalt have power to put me to death, yet this shall not be because he hath abandoned me. No - he is ev...
The Father hath not left me alone - Though ye shalt have power to put me to death, yet this shall not be because he hath abandoned me. No - he is ever with me, because I do that which pleaseth him; and it is his pleasure that I should lay down my life for the salvation of the world. Does not our Lord allude to the following scriptures? - Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; my ears hast thou opened: (or, a body hast thou prepared me: Heb 10:5): then said I, Lo, I come: this is written in the volume of the book concerning me. I delight to do thy will, O my God! Thy law is in my heart. Psa 40:6-8.

Clarke: Joh 8:30 - -- As he spake these words, many believed on him - The same sun that hardens the clay softens the wax. This discourse, which proved the savor of death ...
As he spake these words, many believed on him - The same sun that hardens the clay softens the wax. This discourse, which proved the savor of death unto death to the obstinate Pharisees, became the savor of life unto life to many of the simple-hearted people.
Calvin: Joh 8:21 - -- 21.I go Perceiving that he is doing no good among these obstinate men, he threatens their destruction; and this is the end of all those who reject th...
21.I go Perceiving that he is doing no good among these obstinate men, he threatens their destruction; and this is the end of all those who reject the Gospel. For it is not thrown uselessly into the air, but must breathe the odour either of life or of death, (2Co 2:16.) The meaning of these words amounts to this. “The wicked will at length feel how great loss they have suffered by rejecting Christ, when he freely offers himself to them. They will feel it, but it will be too late, for there will be no more room for repentance.” And to alarm them still more by showing them that their judgment is near at hand, in the first place, he says that he will soon go away, by which he means that the Gospel is preached to them only for a short time, and that if they allow this opportunity to pass away, the accepted time and the days appointed for salvation (Isa 49:8; 2Co 6:2) will not always last. Thus also, in the present day, when Christ knocks at our door, we ought to go immediately to meet him, lest he be wearied by our slothfulness and withdraw from us. And indeed we have learned, by many experiments in all ages, how greatly this departure of Christ is to be dreaded.
And you shall seek me We must first ascertain in what manner the persons now spoken of sought Christ; for if they had been truly converted, they would not have sought him in vain; because he has not falsely promised that, as soon as a sinner groans, he will be ready to assist him. Christ does not mean, therefore, that they sought him by the right way of faith, but that they sought him, as men, overwhelmed by the extremity of anguish, look for deliverance on every hand. For unbelievers would desire to have God reconciled to them, but yet they do not cease to fly from him. God calls them; the approach consists in faith and repentance; but they oppose God by hardness of heart, and, overwhelmed with despair, they exclaim against him. In short, they are so far from desiring to enjoy the favor of God, that they do not give him permission to assist them, unless he deny himself, which he will never do.
In this manner, however wicked the scribes were, they would willingly have applied to themselves the redemption which had been promised by the hand of the Messiah, provided that Christ would transform himself, to suit their natural disposition. Wherefore, by these words Christ threatens and denounces to all unbelievers, that, after having despised the doctrine of the Gospel, they will be seized with such anguish, that they shall be constrained to cry to God, but their howling will be of no avail; because, as we have already said, seeking, they do not seek And this is still more plainly expressed in the next clause, when he says, you shall die in your sin; for he shows that the cause of their destruction will be, that they were disobedient and rebellious to the very last. What is the nature of their sin we shall presently see.

Calvin: Joh 8:22 - -- 22.Will he kill himself? The scribes persevere not only in fearless scorn, but likewise in effrontery; for they ridicule what he had said, that they...
22.Will he kill himself? The scribes persevere not only in fearless scorn, but likewise in effrontery; for they ridicule what he had said, that they cannot follow whither he shall go; as if they had said, “If he kill himself, we acknowledge that we cannot accompany him, because we do not choose to do so.” They regarded Christ’s absence as a matter of no moment, and thought that in all respects they would gain a victory over him; and so they bid him begone wherever he pleases. Shocking stupidity! But thus does Satan infatuate the reprobate, that, intoxicated with more than brutal indifference, 222 they may throw themselves into the midst of the flame of the wrath of God. Do we not in the present day behold the same rage in many who, having stupified their consciences, insolently play off their jests and buffoonery on every thing that they hear about the dreadful judgment of God? Yet it is certain that this is an affected or sardonic smile, for they are pierced inwardly with unseen wounds; but all on a sudden, like men bereft of their senses, they burst out into furious laughter.

Calvin: Joh 8:23 - -- 23.You are from beneath, I am from above As they did not deserve that he should teach them, he wished only to strike them with reproofs conveyed in f...
23.You are from beneath, I am from above As they did not deserve that he should teach them, he wished only to strike them with reproofs conveyed in few words, as in this passage he declares that they do not receive his doctrine, because they have an utter dislike of the kingdom of God. Under the words, world and beneath, he includes all that men naturally possess, and thus points out the disagreement which exists between his Gospel and the ingenuity and sagacity of the human mind; for the Gospel is heavenly wisdom, but our mind grovels on the earth. No man, therefore, will ever be qualified to become a disciple of Christ, till Christ has formed him by his Spirit. And hence it arises that faith is so seldom found in the world, because all mankind are naturally opposed and averse to Christ, except those whom he elevates by the special grace of his Holy Spirit.

Calvin: Joh 8:24 - -- 24.You shall die in your sins Having formerly employed the singular number, in your sin, he now resorts to the plural number, in your sins; but the...
24.You shall die in your sins Having formerly employed the singular number, in your sin, he now resorts to the plural number, in your sins; but the meaning is the same, except that in the former passage he intended to point out that unbelief is the source and cause of all evils. Not that there are no other sins but unbelief, 223 or that it is unbelief alone which subjects us to the condemnation of eternal death before God, as some men too extravagantly talk; but because it drives us away from Christ, and deprives us of his grace, from which we ought to expect deliverance from all our sins. That the Jews reject the medicine with obstinate malice, is their mortal disease; and hence it arises that the slaves of Satan do not cease to heap up sins on sins, and continually to bring down upon themselves fresh condemnations. And, therefore, he immediately adds, —
If you do not believe that I am For there is no other way for lost men to recover salvation, but to betake themselves to Christ. The phrase, that I am, is emphatic; for, in order to make the meaning complete, we must supply all that the Scripture ascribes to the Messiah, and all that it bids us expect from him. But the sum and substance is — the restoration of the Church, the commencement of which is the light of faith, from which proceed righteousness and a new life. Some of the ancient writers have deduced from this passage the Divine essence of Christ; but that is a mistake, for he speaks of his office towards us. This statement is worthy of observation; for men never consider sufficiently the evils in which they are plunged; and though they are constrained to acknowledge their destruction, yet they neglect Christ, and look around them, in every direction, for useless remedies. Wherefore we ought to believe that, until the grace of Christ be manifested to deliver us, nothing but a boundless mass of all evils reigns perpetually in us. 224

Calvin: Joh 8:25 - -- 25.From the beginning They who translate the words τὴν ἀρχὴν, as if they had been in the nominative case, I am the beginning, 227 and as ...
25.From the beginning They who translate the words
Because I also speak to you; by which he means that he testifies plainly enough who he is, provided that they had ears. This word,
In short, this reply consists of two clauses; for, under the word beginning, he includes an uninterrupted succession of ages, during which God had made a covenant with their fathers. When he says that he also speaks, he joins his doctrine with the ancient predictions, and shows that it depends on them. Hence it follows that the Jews had no other reason for their ignorance, than that they did not believe either the Prophets or the Gospel; for it is the same Christ that is exhibited in all of them. They pretended to be disciples of the Prophets, and to look to the eternal covenant of God; but still they rejected Christ, who had been promised from the beginning, and presented himself before them.

Calvin: Joh 8:26 - -- 26.I have many things to say and judge of you Perceiving that he is in the position of one who sings to the deaf, he pursues his discourse no farther...
26.I have many things to say and judge of you Perceiving that he is in the position of one who sings to the deaf, he pursues his discourse no farther, but only declares that God will defend that doctrine, which they despise, because he is the Author of it. “If I wished to accuse you,” says he, “your malice and wickedness supply me with ample materials; but I leave you for the present. But my Father, who committed to me the office of a teacher, will not fail to fulfill his promise; for he will always vindicate his word against the wicked and sacrilegious contempt of men.” This saying of Christ is of the same import with that of Paul,
If we deny him, he remaineth faithful, he cannot deny himself,
(2Ti 2:13.)
In short, he threatens the judgment of God against unbelievers, who refuse to give credit to his word; and he does so on this ground, that God must inevitably defend his truth. Now this is the true firmness of faith, when we believe that God is alone sufficient to establish the authority of his doctrine, though the world should reject it. All who, relying on this doctrine, serve Christ faithfully, may fearlessly accuse the whole world of falsehood.
And I speak to the world those things which I have heard from him He says that he utters nothing which he has not received from the Father; and this is the only confirmation of a doctrine, when the minister shows that what he speaks has proceeded from the Father. Now we know that Christ sustained, at that time, the office of a minister; and, therefore, we need not wonder, if he demands that men listen to him, because he brings to them the commandments of God. Besides, by his example he lays down a general law for the whole Church, that no man ought to be heard, unless he speak from the mouth of God. But while he lays low the wicked arrogance of those men who take upon themselves to speak without the word of God, faithful teachers, who know well the nature of their calling, are fortified and armed by him with unshaken firmness, that, under the guidance of God, they may boldly bid defiance to all mortals.

Calvin: Joh 8:27 - -- 27.They did not know that he spoke to them about the Father Hence we see how stupid those men are whose understandings are possessed by Satan. Nothin...
27.They did not know that he spoke to them about the Father Hence we see how stupid those men are whose understandings are possessed by Satan. Nothing could be more plain than that they were summoned to the judgment-seat of God. But what then? They are altogether blind. This happens daily to other enemies of the Gospel; and such blindness ought to instruct us to walk with fear. 229

Calvin: Joh 8:28 - -- 28.When you shall have exalted the Son of man Offended at that stupidity which the Evangelist has described, Christ again declares that they do not d...
28.When you shall have exalted the Son of man Offended at that stupidity which the Evangelist has described, Christ again declares that they do not deserve that he should open his mouth to speak to them any more. 230 “You now,” says he, “have all your senses — as it were — fascinated, and, therefore, you understand nothing of all that I say; but the time will yet come, when you shall know that a Prophet of God has lived among you, and has spoken to you.” This is the manner in which we ought to deal with wicked men; we ought expressly to summon them to the judgment-seat of God. But this knowledge, which Christ speaks of, comes too late, when the reprobate and unbelievers, 231 dragged to punishment, reluctantly acknowledge that God, to whom they ought mildly to have given honor and reverence, is their Judge. For he does not promise them repentance, but declares that, after they have been struck with new and unexpressed horror at the wrath of God, they will be aroused from that sleep in which they now repose. Thus Adam’s eyes were opened, so that, overwhelmed with shame, he sought in vain for places of concealment, and ultimately was convinced that he was ruined. Yet that knowledge of Adam, which was in itself useless, turned to his advantage through the grace of God; but the reprobate, being overwhelmed with despair, have their eyes opened only for this purpose, that they may perceive their destruction. To this kind of knowledge God conducts them in a variety of ways. Sometimes it happens that, constrained by heavy afflictions, they learn that God is angry with them; sometimes, without any outward punishment, he inwardly torments them; and, at other times, he permits them to sleep until he call them out of the world.
By the term exalt Christ points out his own death. He mentions his death, in order to warn them that, though they destroy him according to the flesh, they will gain nothing by it; as if he had said, “Now you treat me with haughty scorn, while I speak to you; but ere long your wickedness will proceed farther, even so far as to put me to death. Then will you triumph, as if you had gained your wish, but within a short time you shall feel, to your utter ruin, how widely my death differs from destruction.” He employs the word exalt, in order to vex them the more. Their intention was to plunge Christ into the lowest hell. He tells them that they will be completely disappointed, and that the event will be altogether contrary to what they thus expect. He may, indeed, have intended to allude to the outward form of his death, that he was to be lifted up on the cross; but he looked chiefly to the glorious result of it, which soon afterwards followed, contrary to the expectation of all. True, indeed, in the cross itself he gained a splendid triumph over Satan, before God and the angels, by blotting out the hand-writing of sin, and cancelling the condemnation of death, (Col 2:14;) but it was only after that the Gospel had been preached, that this triumph began to be made known to men. The same thing which happened shortly afterwards — that Christ rose out of the grave, and ascended to heaven — is what we ought daily to expect; for, notwithstanding all the contrivances of wicked men to oppress Christ in his Church, not only will he rise in spite of them, but he will turn their wicked efforts into the means of promoting the progress of his kingdom.
That I am I have already stated that this does not refer to Christ’s Divine essence, but to his office; which appears still more clearly from what follows, when he affirms that he does nothing but by the command of the Father; for this means, that he was sent by God, and that he performs his office faithfully.
And that I do nothing of myself That is, I do not put myself forward, to attempt anything rashly. Again, the word speak, refers to the same thing, that is, to the office of teaching; for when Christ wishes to prove that he does nothing but by the commandment of the Father, he says that he speaks as he has been taught by Him. The meaning of the words, therefore, may be summed up thus: In the whole of these proceedings, which you condemn, no part is my own, but I only execute what God has enjoined upon me; the words which you hear from my mouth are his words, and my calling, of which He is the Author, is directed by him alone. Let us remember, however, what I have sometimes mentioned already, that these words are accommodated to the capacity of the hearers. For, since they thought that Christ was only one of the ordinary rank of men, he asserts that whatever in him is Divine is not his own; meaning that it is not of man or by man; because the Father teaches us by him, and appoints him to be the only Teacher of the Church; and for this reason he affirms that he has been taught by the Father

Calvin: Joh 8:29 - -- 29.And he who hath sent me is with me He again boasts that God, under whose guidance and authority he does every thing, will assist him, so that he s...
29.And he who hath sent me is with me He again boasts that God, under whose guidance and authority he does every thing, will assist him, so that he shall not labor in vain and to no purpose, as if he had said, that the power of the Spirit of God accompanies his ministry. All faithful teachers ought to be endued with the same confidence, so as to entertain no doubt that the hand of God will be near them, when, with a pure conscience, they discharge such a ministry as he demands. For God does not furnish them with his word, in order that they may strike the air with an idle and useless sound, but makes his word successful by the secret efficacy of his Spirit, and at the same time guards them by his protection, that, when their enemies shall have been subdued, they may remain invincible against the whole world. And, indeed, if they judge of themselves and their own powers, they must give way every hour; so that the only method of pursuing is, to be convinced that they are supported by the hand of God.
Because I do always the things which please him We must observe the reason why Christ declares that God is on his side, and that he will never be deprived of his assistance. It is, because he is regulated entirely by his will, and serves him in sincerity. For this is what he means by the word always, that he does not obey God only in part, but is entirely and unreservedly devoted to his service. Wherefore, if we desire to enjoy the same presence of God, our whole reason must be subjected to his authority; for if our senses hold the government in any degree, all our exertions will be fruitless, because the blessing of God will not be on them. And though for a time we may be delighted with the joyful prospect of success, yet the final result will be dismal.
The Father hath not left me alone By these words, he indirectly complains of the treachery of his nation, in which he found scarcely any that gave him their support. Yet he shows that he reckons this alone to be abundantly sufficient, that he has God to protect him. Such is the courage with which we ought to be animated in the present day, that we may not give way on account of the small number of believers; for, though the whole world be opposed to his doctrine, still we are not alone Hence, too, it is evident how foolish is the boasting of the Papists, who, while they neglect God, proudly boast of their vast numbers.

Calvin: Joh 8:30 - -- 30.While he spoke these things Though the Jews, at that time, almost resembled a dry and barren soil, yet God did not permit the seed of his word to ...
30.While he spoke these things Though the Jews, at that time, almost resembled a dry and barren soil, yet God did not permit the seed of his word to be entirely lost. Thus, contrary to all hopes, and amidst so many obstructions, some fruit appears. But the Evangelist inaccurately gives the name of faith to that which was only a sort of preparation for faith For he affirms nothing higher concerning them than that they were disposed to receive the doctrine of Christ, to which also the preceding warning refers.
Defender: Joh 8:24 - -- The word "he" is italicized in the Authorized Version, for Jesus actually said, simply, "I am," thus again claiming to be none other than Jehovah (Joh...

Defender: Joh 8:29 - -- The Lord Jesus thus claims here to be sinless, always doing fully the will of God. This sounds real and right coming from Him but would be arrogant an...
The Lord Jesus thus claims here to be sinless, always doing fully the will of God. This sounds real and right coming from Him but would be arrogant and insane on the lips of anyone else (compare Rom 3:11)."
TSK: Joh 8:21 - -- I go : Joh 7:34, Joh 12:33, Joh 12:35; 1Ki 18:10; 2Ki 2:16, 2Ki 2:17; Mat 23:39, Mat 24:23, Mat 24:24
and shall die : Joh 8:24; Job 20:11; Psa 73:18-2...

TSK: Joh 8:22 - -- Will : Joh 8:48, Joh 8:52, Joh 7:20, Joh 10:20; Psa 22:6, Psa 31:18, Psa 123:4; Heb 12:3, Heb 13:13

TSK: Joh 8:23 - -- Ye are from : Joh 1:14, Joh 3:13, Joh 3:31; Psa 17:4; Rom 8:7, Rom 8:8; 1Co 15:47, 1Co 15:48; Phi 3:19-21; Jam 3:15-17; 1Jo 2:15, 1Jo 2:16
ye are of :...

TSK: Joh 8:24 - -- I said : Joh 8:21
for : Joh 3:18, Joh 3:36; Pro 8:36; Mar 16:16; Act 4:12; Heb 2:3, Heb 10:26-29, Heb 12:25

TSK: Joh 8:25 - -- Who : Joh 1:19, Joh 1:22, Joh 10:24, Joh 19:9; Luk 22:67
Even : Joh 8:12, Joh 5:17-29

TSK: Joh 8:26 - -- have many : Joh 16:12; Heb 5:11, Heb 5:12
to judge : Joh 8:16, Joh 5:42, Joh 5:43, Joh 9:39-41, Joh 12:47-50
but : Joh 8:17, Joh 7:28; 2Co 1:18
and I ...

TSK: Joh 8:27 - -- Joh 8:43, Joh 8:47; Isa 6:9, Isa 42:18-20, Isa 59:10; Rom 11:7-10; 2Co 4:3, 2Co 4:4

TSK: Joh 8:28 - -- When : Joh 3:14, Joh 12:32-34, Joh 19:18
then : Mat 27:50-54; Act 2:41, Act 4:4; Rom 1:4; 1Th 2:15, 1Th 2:16
and that : Joh 5:19, Joh 5:30, Joh 6:38, ...

TSK: Joh 8:29 - -- he that sent : Joh 8:16, Joh 14:10,Joh 14:11, Joh 16:32; Isa 42:1, Isa 42:6, Isa 49:4-8, Isa 50:4-9; 2Ti 4:17, 2Ti 4:22
for : Joh 4:34, Joh 5:30, Joh ...

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Barnes: Joh 8:21 - -- I go my way - See the notes at Joh 7:33. Ye shall die in your sins - That is, you will seek the Messiah; you will desire his coming, but ...
I go my way - See the notes at Joh 7:33.
Ye shall die in your sins - That is, you will seek the Messiah; you will desire his coming, but the Messiah that you expect will not come; and, as you have rejected me, and there is no other Saviour, you must die in your sins. You will die unpardoned, and as you did not seek me where you might find me, you cannot come where I shall be. Observe:
1. All those who reject the Lord Jesus must die unforgiven. There is no way of pardon but by him. See the notes at Act 4:12.
2. There will be a time when sinners will seek for a Saviour but will find none. Often this is done too late, in a dying moment, and in the future world they may seek a deliverer, but not be able to find one.
3. Those who reject the Lord Jesus must perish. Where he is they cannot come. Where he is is heaven. Where he is not, with his favor and mercy, there is hell; and the sinner that has no Savior must be wretched forever.

Barnes: Joh 8:22 - -- Will he kill himself? - It is difficult to know whether this question was asked from ignorance or malice. Self-murder was esteemed then, as it ...
Will he kill himself? - It is difficult to know whether this question was asked from ignorance or malice. Self-murder was esteemed then, as it is now, as one of the greatest crimes; and it is not improbable that they asked this question with mingled hatred and contempt. "He is a deceiver; he has broken the law of Moses; he is mad, and it is probable he will go on and kill himself."If this was their meaning, we see the wonderful patience of Jesus in enduring the contradiction of sinners; and as he bore contempt without rendering railing for railing, so should we.

Barnes: Joh 8:23 - -- Ye are from beneath - The expression from bequeath, here, is opposed to the phrase from above. It means, You are of the earth, or are influence...
Ye are from beneath - The expression from bequeath, here, is opposed to the phrase from above. It means, You are of the earth, or are influenced by earthly, sensual, and corrupt passions. You are governed by the lowest and vilest views and feelings, such as are opposed to heaven, and such as have their origin in earth or in hell.
I am from above - From heaven. My views are heavenly, and my words should have been so interpreted.
Ye are of this world - You think and act like the corrupt men of this world.
I am not of this world - My views are above these earthly and corrupt notions. The meaning of the verse is: "Your reference to self-murder shows that you are earthly and corrupt in your views. You are governed by the mad passions of men, and can think only of these."We see here how difficult it is to excite wicked men to the contemplation of heavenly things. They interpret all things in a low and corrupt sense, and suppose all others to be governed as they are themselves.

Barnes: Joh 8:25 - -- Who art thou? - As Jesus did not expressly say in the previous verse that he was the Messiah, they professed still not to understand him. In gr...
Who art thou? - As Jesus did not expressly say in the previous verse that he was the Messiah, they professed still not to understand him. In great contempt, therefore, they asked him who he was. As if they had said, "Who art thou that undertakest to threaten us in this manner!"When we remember that they regarded him as a mere pretender from Galilee; that he was poor and without friends; and that he was persecuted by those in authority, we cannot but admire the patience with which all this was borne, and the coolness with which he answered them.
Even the same ... - What he had professed to them was that he was the light of the world; that he was the bread that came down from heaven; that he was sent by his Father, etc. From all this they might easily gather that he claimed to be the Messiah. He assumed no new character; he made no change in his professions; he is the same yesterday, today, and forever; and as he had once professed to be the light of the world, so, in the face of contempt, persecution, and death, he adhered to the profession.
The beginning - From his first discourse with them, or uniformly.

Barnes: Joh 8:26 - -- I have many things to say - There are many things which I might say to reprove and expose your pride and hypocrisy. By this he implied that he ...
I have many things to say - There are many things which I might say to reprove and expose your pride and hypocrisy. By this he implied that he understood well their character, and that he was able to expose it. This, indeed, he had shown them in his conversations with them.
And to judge of you - To reprove in you. There are many things in you which I might condemn.
But he that sent we is true - Is worthy to be believed, and his declarations about men are to be credited. The meaning of this verse may be thus expressed: "I have indeed many things to say blaming or condemning you. I have already said many such things, and there are many more that I might say; but I speak only those things which God has commanded. I speak not of myself I come to execute his commission, and he is worthy to be heard and feared. Let it not be thought, therefore, that my judgment is rash or harsh. It is such as is commanded by God."

Barnes: Joh 8:27 - -- They understood not - They knew not, or they were unwilling to receive him as a messenger from God. They doubtless understood that he meant to ...
They understood not - They knew not, or they were unwilling to receive him as a messenger from God. They doubtless understood that he meant to speak of God, but they were unwilling to acknowledge that he really came from God.

Barnes: Joh 8:28 - -- When ye have lifted up - When you have crucified. See Joh 3:14 note; also Joh 12:32 note. The Son of man - See the notes at Mat 8:19-20. ...
When ye have lifted up - When you have crucified. See Joh 3:14 note; also Joh 12:32 note.
The Son of man - See the notes at Mat 8:19-20.
Then shall ye know - Then shall you have evidence or proof.
That I am he - Am the Messiah, which I have professed to be.
And that I do nothing of myself - That is, you shall have proof that God has sent me; that I am the Messiah; and that God concurs with me and approves my doctrine. This proof was furnished by the miracles that attended the death of Jesus - the earthquake and darkness; but chiefly by his resurrection from the dead, which proved, beyond a doubt, that he was what he affirmed he was - the Messiah.

Barnes: Joh 8:29 - -- Is with me - In working miracles, etc. Hath not left me alone - Though men had forsaken and rejected him, yet God attended him. Thos...
Is with me - In working miracles, etc.
Hath not left me alone - Though men had forsaken and rejected him, yet God attended him.
Those things that please him - See Mat 3:17; "This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased,"Phi 2:8; Isa 53:10-12; 2Pe 1:17; Luk 3:22; Mat 17:5. His undertaking the work of redemption was pleasing to God, and he had the consciousness that in executing it he did those things which God approved. It is a small matter to have men opposed to us, if we have a conscience void of offence, and evidence that we please God. Compare Heb 11:5; "Enoch - before his translation had this testimony that he pleased God."See also 1Co 4:3.

Barnes: Joh 8:30 - -- Many believed on him - Such was the convincing nature and force of the truths which he presented, that they believed he was the Messiah and rec...
Many believed on him - Such was the convincing nature and force of the truths which he presented, that they believed he was the Messiah and received his doctrine. While there were many that became more obstinate and hardened under his preaching, there were many, also, who by the same truth were made penitent and believing. "The same sun that hardens the clay, softens the wax"(Clarke).
Poole: Joh 8:21 - -- The greatest part of what is said here, was said by our Saviour before, Joh 7:34 ; (see the explication of it there); only here, instead of ye shal...
The greatest part of what is said here, was said by our Saviour before, Joh 7:34 ; (see the explication of it there); only here, instead of ye shall not find me, is,
ye shall die in your sins a phrase we shall find in Eze 3:18,19 , which doubtless signifieth, in the guilt of your sins, not removed from you; and is a threatening of eternal death, as well as temporal in the destruction of Jerusalem: and those who do so, cannot come into heaven, where Christ is.

Poole: Joh 8:22 - -- Before they guessed that he would go to the dispersed amongst the Gentiles, Joh 7:35 . Now they fancy that he would kill himself; or else speak this...
Before they guessed that he would go to the dispersed amongst the Gentiles, Joh 7:35 . Now they fancy that he would kill himself; or else speak this in mockery.

Poole: Joh 8:23 - -- Ye are not only of an earthly extraction, creatures of the earth, not descended from heaven, as I am; but also of earthly spirits and principles; yo...
Ye are not only of an earthly extraction, creatures of the earth, not descended from heaven, as I am; but also of earthly spirits and principles; you savour nothing that is sublime and spiritual, and therefore you do not understand me. I tell you,
I am not of this world my original is not from it, nor am I to determine my being in it. I shall die, but I shall rise again from the dead, and ascend into heaven, where you cannot come. Still our Saviour asserts his Divine nature; and the stress of all, he saith, lieth there; their unbelief of which was the cause of all their disputings and errors. He had given them the greatest evidence of it imaginable in the works which he had done in their sight, which were not only above the power of nature, but such as God had never authorized, or enabled any creature to do; yet they, being destitute of supernatural grace, did not believe in him. And they were inexcusable, because that grace was denied them for their wilful corruption and wickedness, which they might have avoided by the use of that common grace which was not denied them.

Poole: Joh 8:24 - -- In the Greek it is only, if ye believe not that I am Some refer this to Christ’ s Divine nature; ( I am, is the name of God, Exo 3:14 ); but...
In the Greek it is only, if ye believe not that I am Some refer this to Christ’ s Divine nature; ( I am, is the name of God, Exo 3:14 ); but others rather think that Christ here speaketh of himself as the Messiah and Mediator, and so the object of people’ s faith; and he out of whom there is no salvation: the latter indeed includes the former; for cursed is he that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, Jer 17:5 . The text plainly holds forth an impossibility of salvation for those who, under the revelations of the gospel, receive not and believe not in Christ as Mediator.

Poole: Joh 8:25 - -- What good Christian will not learn to contemn the slights and reproaches of sinful men, when he readeth of a company of miscreants thus using their ...
What good Christian will not learn to contemn the slights and reproaches of sinful men, when he readeth of a company of miscreants thus using their Lord and Master, saying to him,
Who art thou? It is no wonder if the world, which knew him not, doth not know us. The latter part of the verse, as it lies in the Greek, is exceedingly difficult; word for word it is, The beginning, because also I speak unto you. Some think that our Saviour calleth himself
The beginning Others think the noun is in this place put for an adverb: of which we have many instances in Scripture, though none as to this noun. But I shall leave those who desire satisfaction as to what is said by critics about this verse, to what Mr. Pool hath collected in his Synopsis Criticorum, and only consider it as our interpreters understood it; in which form it seemeth to be a mere slighting of them, as much as if he had said, I have often enough, even from the beginning, told you who I am; I can say no more to you upon that head than I have said. I am the same, and no other, than I at first told you I was.

Poole: Joh 8:26 - -- Judging is not put here for judicial condemnation; but for reproving and accusing, which is one part of judging. You accuse and reprove me; I have m...
Judging is not put here for judicial condemnation; but for reproving and accusing, which is one part of judging. You accuse and reprove me; I have many things of which I could also accuse and convince you; but let me say what I will, you will not believe me. But you will not escape the judgment of my Father, who is true, he will judge you. I speak unto men nothing but what it is his will that I should declare to them.

Poole: Joh 8:27 - -- The Jews (as we are told) used to call God The Father in a way of eminency: they understood that he spake to them of his Father; but they would not...
The Jews (as we are told) used to call God The Father in a way of eminency: they understood that he spake to them of his Father; but they would not understand when he spake to them of his Father, or the Father, he meant God the Father of all; their minds were blinded, that they could not see, and their hearts hardened, that they could not understand.

Poole: Joh 8:28 - -- It is your unhappiness, that while I am alive, and preaching the gospel to you, inviting you to repentance, and faith in me, as the true Messiah, yo...
It is your unhappiness, that while I am alive, and preaching the gospel to you, inviting you to repentance, and faith in me, as the true Messiah, you will not believe me to be indeed what I am; but you shall lift me up upon the cross, (for that is meant by lifting up, as Joh 3:14 12:32 ), and when that time cometh, you shall know that I am the light of the world, as Joh 8:12 ; for after that, the gospel began to be preached to all nations: or, that I am the true Messiah, he whom the Father hath sent into the world. Some of you shall then know it by those signs and wonders that shall attend my death and resurrection, and to your shame and confusion: others of you shall know it to your eternal joy and salvation; believing on me then, whom you will not now acknowledge; and that what I have done, I have only done by commission from my Father, not of myself; and that what I have taught, I have had in commission from my Father to teach.

Poole: Joh 8:29 - -- I have the presence of God with me, as I am Mediator; the Father hath not sent me into the world to do his will, and left me alone without his prese...
I have the presence of God with me, as I am Mediator; the Father hath not sent me into the world to do his will, and left me alone without his presence; for I do his will; I drive no separate design from my Father, but always do those things which please him. From whence all faithful ministers and Christians may learn how to conclude of God’ s presence with them, which they can no longer promise to themselves, than they speak and do those things that please him.

Poole: Joh 8:30 - -- Believing on him is not here to be understood strictly of saving faith; but rather, of some preparations toward it: they began to believe that he wa...
Believing on him is not here to be understood strictly of saving faith; but rather, of some preparations toward it: they began to believe that he was the true Messias, and to have more honourable thoughts than they had of him: that this was all, will appear from what we find in the following verses; and believing often signifieth no more in the New Testament than a light assent given to some propositions of the gospel relating to Christ.
Lightfoot: Joh 8:25 - -- Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.  [The same tha...
Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.  
[The same that I said unto you from the beginning.] I. Amongst the several renderings of this place, this seems the most proper; The same that I said unto you from the beginning. So Gen 43:18; The money returned.....at the first time ": and Joh 8:20, We came indeed down at the first time to buy food.  
The words thus rendered may refer to that full and open profession which our Saviour made of himself before the Sanhedrim, that he was 'the Son of God,' or 'the Messiah,' John_5: "Do you ask me who I am? I am the same that I told you from the beginning; when I was summoned to answer before the Sanhedrim."  
II. However, I cannot but a little call to mind the common forms of speech used so much in the Jewish schools, the beginning and the end. Where, by the beginning they meant any thing that was chiefly and primarily to be offered and taken notice of: by the end what was secondary, or of less weight.  
The question is, whether it were lawful for the priests to sleep in their holy vestments. The end or the secondary question was, whether it was lawful for them to sleep in them. But the beginning; or the thing chiefly and primarily to be discussed, was, whether it was lawful for them to have them on at all but in divine service. Hence the Gemarists, The tradition is, that they must not sleep in them, if you will explain the end [or secondary question]: but let them put them off and fold them up, and lay them under their heads [when they sleep]: this, 'the beginning' [or chief matter in hand] determines; that is, that it is not lawful for the priest so much as to wear his holy garments but when he is in holy service.  
"It is a tradition of the Rabbins. If one, in walking near any city, see lights in it, if the greatest number in that city be Cuthites, let him not bless them; if they be most Israelites, let him bless it. They teach 'the beginning,' when they say, Most Cuthites. They teach 'the end,' when they say, Most Israelites." For the chief and principal scruple was, whether they should pronounce a blessing upon those lights when there might be most Cuthites in the city that lighted them up: the lesser scruple was, whether he should bless them if there were most Israelites in that city.  
"There is a dispute upon that precept, Lev 17:13; If any one kill a beast or bird upon a holy day, the Shammean school saith, Let him dig with an instrument and cover the blood. The school of Hillel saith, Let him not kill at all, if he have not dust ready by him to cover the blood."  
The end; or the secondary question, is about covering the blood if a beast should be killed. The beginning; or the principal question, is about killing a beast or a fowl at all upon a holy day, merely for the labour of scraping up dust, if there be none at hand.  
There are numberless instances of this kind: and if our Saviour had any respect to this form or mode of speaking, we may suppose what he said was to this purpose: "You ask who I am? The beginning. That is the chief thing to be inquired into, which I now say, viz. That I am the light of the world, the Messiah, the Son of God, etc. But what works I do, what doctrines I teach, and by what authority, this is an inquiry of the second place, in comparison to that first and chief question, who I am."

Lightfoot: Joh 8:26 - -- I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him. ...
I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.  
[But he that sent me is true.] "I have many things to say and judge of you; but he that sent me hath of old said and judged of you; 'and he is true;' and they are true things which he hath said of you." Of this kind are those passages, Isa 11:10; "Make the heart of this people fat," etc.; and Isa 29:10; "The Lord hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep," etc.: and from such kind of predictions it is, that Christ concludes this concerning them, Joh 8:21; "Ye shall die in your sins."
PBC -> Joh 8:29
Haydock: Joh 8:21 - -- I go my way, and you shall seek me, &c. See the foregoing chapter, ver. 34. (Witham)
I go my way, and you shall seek me, &c. See the foregoing chapter, ver. 34. (Witham)

Haydock: Joh 8:23 - -- I am not of this world: he speaks of his divine person, as the words evidently shew. (Witham)
I am not of this world: he speaks of his divine person, as the words evidently shew. (Witham)

Haydock: Joh 8:25 - -- Who art thou? Jesus said to them: The beginning, [3] who also speak to you. This text and the construction of it is obscure, both in the Latin and...
Who art thou? Jesus said to them: The beginning, [3] who also speak to you. This text and the construction of it is obscure, both in the Latin and in the Greek. St. Augustine and some of the Latin Fathers, expound it in this manner: I am the beginning of all things, who now being made man, speak to you. But this does not seem the construction, if we consult the Greek text; (where the beginning is not in the nominative, but in the accusative case) and therefore St. Augustine having considered more attentively the Greek, thinks that something must be understood, as believe me to be the beginning: he looks upon this to be the sense and the construction, as being connected with what was said two verses before; to wit, if you believe not that I am he, the true Messias, you shall die in you sins. "That they might," says St. Augustine (tract. 38, num. 11, p. 560) "know what they were to believe," he made them this answer, as if he had said: believe me to be the beginning, the cause, the author of all things, who am now become man, and speak to you. Other later interpreters are of opinion that the beginning is here a Grecism, and signifies that same as at first, or from the beginning. The sense therefore and construction may be, I am, what I said and told you at first, and from the beginning; that is, I am your Messias, the true Son of God, sent into the world, &c. (Witham) ---
The Pharisees, indignant at the liberty with which Jesus spoke to them, demand of him in a rage, Who art thou, to speak to us in this imperious manner, to say that we shall die in our sins? Jesus answered them, that he was the Beginning, Author, Creator, and Ruler of all things. This is the more orthodox and more becoming interpretation. Or, I am, in the first place, what I have already told you; viz. (ver. 12.) I am the light of the world; he that followeth me, walketh not in darkness, but shall have the light of life. Or, it may mean, I am what I have always from the beginning told you. I am the Son of God, the Messias, &c. (Calmet)
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Principium qui et loquor vobis. St. Augustine reads, quia loquor vobis, as we find in some Greek manuscripts and in St. Cyril, p. 511. In the common copies wer read, Greek: ten archen, oti kai lalo umin. And as Greek: ten archen is in the accusative case, so we may take principium; and to be taken adverbially, to signify the same as primum, a principio, imprimis. Maldonatus is of the same opinion, as well as many others, and brings examples to shew that Greek: ten archen (i.e. Greek: kata ten archen ) is often taken for primum: and so the sense will be, I am what I told you from the beginning, i.e. the Messias, and this I now tell you again. We may also take notice, that the Greek construction is hard to be accounted for, Greek: ten archen oti, not Greek: os, qui, nor Greek: e, to agree with Greek: arche.

Haydock: Joh 8:26 - -- And the things I have heard from him, &c. For Christ, to hear from his Father, to see, &c. is the same as to proceed from him, to be of the same...
And the things I have heard from him, &c. For Christ, to hear from his Father, to see, &c. is the same as to proceed from him, to be of the same nature and substance. See chap. v, ver. 19. (Witham)

Haydock: Joh 8:27 - -- Now they, &c. Some of the more ignorant among the Jews understood not Christ when he clearly enough signified that he was equal to God, and of one a...
Now they, &c. Some of the more ignorant among the Jews understood not Christ when he clearly enough signified that he was equal to God, and of one and the same nature; but at other times they that heard him, perceived it very well; and so, in this place, they were for stoning him to death. (Witham)

Haydock: Joh 8:28 - -- When you shall have lifted up, &c. That is, have put me to the death of the cross; (see John iii. 14. and xii. 32.) you, that is, many of you, sh...
When you shall have lifted up, &c. That is, have put me to the death of the cross; (see John iii. 14. and xii. 32.) you, that is, many of you, shall know, and believe in me, as your Messias. (Witham)
Gill: Joh 8:21 - -- Then said Jesus again unto them,.... It may be, immediately after he had said the above words; or rather some time after, it may be on the same day:
...
Then said Jesus again unto them,.... It may be, immediately after he had said the above words; or rather some time after, it may be on the same day:
I go my way; meaning, the way of all flesh, or that he should die: the way of speaking shows, that his death was certain, a determined thing; which must be, and yet was voluntary: he was not driven, nor forced, but went freely; this being the path, the way, through which he must enter into his kingdom and glory:
and ye shall seek me; that is, shall seek the Messiah, as their deliverer and Saviour, when in distress; and whom he calls himself, because he was the true Messiah, and the only Saviour and Redeemer of his people, in a spiritual sense; otherwise they would not, nor did they seek Jesus of Nazareth:
and shall die in your sins; or "in your sin"; so it is in the Greek text, and in the Vulgate Latin, and Persic versions: meaning, in their sin of unbelief, and rejection of him the true Messiah: the sense is, that in the midst of their calamities, which should come upon them, for their sin against him, they should in vain seek for the Messiah, as a temporal deliverer of them; for their nation, city, and temple, and they therein should utterly perish, for their iniquity; and their ruin would not only be temporal, but eternal: since it follows,
whither I, go ye cannot come, signifying, that whereas he was going to his Father, to heaven and glory; to enjoy eternal happiness at his Father's right hand, in the human nature; they should never come there, but whilst many sat down in the kingdom of heaven, with their fathers Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, who should come from afar, they would be shut out, and not suffered to enter in.

Gill: Joh 8:22 - -- Then said the Jews, will he kill himself?.... Which was not only a wicked, but a foolish consequence, drawn from his words: for it by no means followe...
Then said the Jews, will he kill himself?.... Which was not only a wicked, but a foolish consequence, drawn from his words: for it by no means followed, because he was going away, and whither they could not come, that therefore he must destroy himself; this seems to be what they would have been glad he would have done, and suggested the thought that he might do it, in which they imitated Satan, Mat 4:6, under whose influence they now apparently were, and hoped that he would, which would at once extricate them out of their difficulties on his account:
because he sayeth, whither I go ye cannot come: this is no reason at all; for had Christ's meaning been, as they blasphemously intimate, they might have destroyed themselves too, and have gone after him.

Gill: Joh 8:23 - -- And he said unto them,.... Upon this wicked remark of theirs, and query on his words:
ye are from beneath: not only of the earth, earthy, and so sp...
And he said unto them,.... Upon this wicked remark of theirs, and query on his words:
ye are from beneath: not only of the earth, earthy, and so spoke of the earth, and as carnal men; but even of hell, they were the children of the devil; they breathed his Spirit, spoke his language, and did his lusts, as in Joh 8:44.
I am from above; not with respect to his human body, which he did not bring with him from heaven, that was formed below, in the Virgin's womb; otherwise he would not have been the seed of the woman, the son of Abraham, David, and Mary: but either with regard to his divine nature and person, he was of God, the Son of God, the only begotten of the Father, who then lay in his bosom, and was in heaven above at that time; or to his mission, which was from heaven.
Ye are of this world; they were, as they were born into the world, sinful, carnal, and corrupt; they were in it, and belonged to it, had never been chosen, or called out of it; they had their conversation according to the course of it, and conformed to its evil customs and manners; they were under the influence of the God of the world, and were taken with the sinful and sensual lasts thereof; they were men of worldly spirits; they minded earth, and earthly things, and had their portion in this world, and might be truly called the men of it.
I am not of this world; he was in it, but not of it; he was come into it to save the chief of sinners, but he did not belong to it, nor did he conform to it; for though he conversed with sinners, ate with them, and received them, being called to repentance by him; yet he was separate from them, and did not as they did: nor did he pursue the pleasures, honours, and riches of this world, being all his days a man of sorrows, and despised of men; and though Lord of all, had not where to lay his head.

Gill: Joh 8:24 - -- I said therefore unto you,.... Because they were from beneath, and of the world, and discovered an earthly, worldly, carnal, yea, devilish disposition...
I said therefore unto you,.... Because they were from beneath, and of the world, and discovered an earthly, worldly, carnal, yea, devilish disposition, in their conduct towards him:
that ye shall die in your sins; this he had said in Joh 8:21, and now repeats it, and confirms it by the following reason:
for if believe not that I am he; the everlasting and unchangeable I am, the true God, God over all, blessed for ever; the eternal Son of God, God manifest in the flesh, really made flesh, and become incarnate; the true Messiah, the only Saviour of sinners; the one and only Mediator between God and man; the Head of the church, prophet, priest, and King, and the Judge of quick and dead; as also the light of the world he had declared himself to be: these are things that are necessary to be believed concerning Christ; indeed, carnal and unregenerate men may believe all these things; the devils themselves do, and tremble at them; but then they, and so unconverted men, have no faith in them, with an application of them to themselves: true faith in Christ deals not with him in a general way, but in a special regard to a man's self; it is a seeing of Christ for a man's self; it is not an implicit faith, or a believing him to be what he is, merely upon report, but upon sight; it is a going out of the soul to Christ, a renouncing its own righteousness, and a trusting in him alone for life and salvation; it is with the heart, and from it, and is unfeigned; it works by love to Christ, and his people, and is attended with the fruits of righteousness, and a cheerful obedience to the commands and ordinances of Christ. Though perhaps no more than a general faith is here intended, for want of which, and their rejection of Jesus, as the Messiah, the Jews suffered temporal ruin; and had they but believed that Jesus was the Son of God, and true Messiah, they had been saved from that temporal destruction which came upon their nation, city, and temple; but not believing this in a general and notional, way, they perished, as is here threatened:
ye shall die in your sins; in which they were, being defiled with them, guilty before God for them, under the power of them, and liable to punishment for them; and so they remained, and did remain, and were yet in their sins, even until death, when they died in them, and for them, not only a corporeal, but an eternal death: for dying in their sins, these would be found upon them, and they would be charged with them, and must be answerable for them, and consequently endure the punishment of them, which is the second death. Dying in sin, and dying in Christ, are two widely different things. They that die in faith, die in Christ: they that die in unbelief, die in sin; and this is a dreadful dying; see Jos 22:20, where the Targum paraphrases it, "and he, one man", (or alone,)

Gill: Joh 8:25 - -- Then said they unto him, who art thou?.... That talks at this rate, and threatens with death, in case of unbelief; this they said with an haughty air,...
Then said they unto him, who art thou?.... That talks at this rate, and threatens with death, in case of unbelief; this they said with an haughty air, and in a scornful manner:
and Jesus saith unto them, even the same that I said unto you from the beginning; meaning, either of this discourse, as that he was the light of the world, and which he continued to assert; or of his being had before the sanhedrim, when he affirmed that God was his Father, and by many strong arguments proved his divine sonship; or of his ministry, when by miracles, as well as doctrines, he made it to appear that he was he that was to come, the true Messiah; or who spake from the beginning to Moses, saying, I am that I am, hath sent thee, and to the church, and Jewish fathers in the wilderness; and who is that word that was from the beginning with God; and who is called the beginning, the first cause of all things, and of the creation of God; and some think this is intended here.

Gill: Joh 8:26 - -- I have many things to say, and to judge of you,.... Being God omniscient, he knew their persons and actions, their lives and conversations, and all th...
I have many things to say, and to judge of you,.... Being God omniscient, he knew their persons and actions, their lives and conversations, and all their sins and transgressions, which he could justly have complained of, and charged them with, and proved against them, and judged and condemned them for; but this was not his present business, he came not to judge and condemn, but to save: wherefore he waved these things, and took no notice of them, leaving them to his Father, who would call them to an account, and punish them for them:
but he that sent me is true; as to his promises concerning the mission of his Son, to be the Saviour of sinners; so to his threatenings, to bring down vengeance on those that disbelieve him, and reject him:
and I speak to the world, or "in the world",
those things which I have heard of him; as concerning his love, grace, and mercy to those that should believe in him, so of the destruction of the despisers and rejecters of him; which things he spoke not in secret, in a corner, but publicly and openly, before all the world, to Jews and Gentiles, and to as many as were in the treasury, in the temple at this time; see Joh 18:20.

Gill: Joh 8:27 - -- They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. That sent him, and who was true and faithful to all he had said, whether in a way of promise,...
They understood not that he spake to them of the Father. That sent him, and who was true and faithful to all he had said, whether in a way of promise, or threatening; such was their stupidity, that they did not know that he meant God the Father by him that sent him, so deriving his mission and doctrine from him; their hearts were made fat, and hardened, and their eyes were blinded. The Vulgate Latin version reads, "they did not know that he said, God was his Father"; and so Beza's most ancient copy, and another exemplar of his.

Gill: Joh 8:28 - -- Then said Jesus unto them,.... Upbraiding them with their ignorance, and giving them a sign, as well as pointing out the time when they either, by goo...
Then said Jesus unto them,.... Upbraiding them with their ignorance, and giving them a sign, as well as pointing out the time when they either, by good or sad experience, should have knowledge of him:
when ye have lift up the son of man; meaning himself, who was to be lifted up upon the cross, as the serpent was upon the pole, in the wilderness; and which signified the manner of death he should die, the death of the cross; and suggested, that what the Jews designed for his reproach, shame, and abasement, would be the way and means of his rise and exaltation; and this lifting him up, or crucifying him, he ascribes to them, because they would deliver him to Pontius Pilate to be condemned, and stir up the people to ask, and be importunate themselves for his crucifixion:
then shall ye know that I am he; the Son of God, and true Messiah, as the centurion, and those that were with him, did, when they observed the earthquake; and the things that were done at his death; and after the death, resurrection, and ascension of Christ, and the pouring forth of his Spirit, many of the Jews had not only a notional, but a true and spiritual knowledge of Jesus, as the Messiah; and upon the destruction of their temple, city, and nation, and their disappointment by false Christs, they doubtless many of them must, and did know, that the true Messiah was come, and that Jesus of Nazareth was he:
and that I do nothing of myself; See Gill on Joh 5:19;
but as my Father hath taught me, I speak these things; this he says not as lessening himself, or making himself inferior to the Father, but to show the excellency of his doctrine, and to assert the original, authority, and divinity of it; suggesting that it was not an human doctrine, or a device of man's, or his own, as man, but was divine, and from God; see Joh 7:16.

Gill: Joh 8:29 - -- And he that sent me is with me,.... By virtue of that near union there is between them, they being one in nature, essence, power, and glory, and by th...
And he that sent me is with me,.... By virtue of that near union there is between them, they being one in nature, essence, power, and glory, and by the gracious, powerful, comfortable, assisting, and strengthening presence of his Father, which he vouchsafed to him as man, and Mediator;
the Father hath not left me alone; Christ, as the word, was with the Father from all eternity, and, as the Son of God, was in heaven, and in the bosom of the Father, when he, as the son of man, was here on earth; for though he came forth from the Father into this world, by assumption of the human nature, yet the Father was always with him, and he with the Father, through the unity of the divine nature; nor did he withhold his supporting and assisting presence from him as man; nor did he withdraw, at least he had not yet withdrawn his gracious and comfortable presence from him, though he afterwards did, when upon the cross: compare with this Joh 16:32;
for I do always those things that please him; by submitting to Gospel ordinances, as to baptism, at which the Father declared his well pleasedness in him; and by complying with the ordinances of the ceremonial law, which were typical of him; and by perfectly obeying the precepts of the moral law, and bearing the penalty of it; or by suffering and dying in the room and stead of his people; all which were the will of God, and well pleasing to him.

Gill: Joh 8:30 - -- As he spake these words,.... Concerning his being lifted up, or his crucifixion, and the knowledge the Jews should then have of him; of the excellency...
As he spake these words,.... Concerning his being lifted up, or his crucifixion, and the knowledge the Jews should then have of him; of the excellency and divinity of his doctrine, of his mission from the Father, and of the Father's presence with him, and of his always doing the things that are pleasing in his sight; which were spoken by him with majesty and authority, and came with power:
many believed on him: as the Son of God, and true Messiah: faith came by hearing; Christ's hearers were of different sorts; some understood him not, and disbelieved, and rejected him; others had their eyes, and their hearts opened, and received him, and his words.

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NET Notes: Joh 8:22 The imperfect verb has been translated with ingressive force (“began to say”) because the comments that follow were occasioned by Jesus...

NET Notes: Joh 8:23 The word “people” is supplied in English to clarify the plural Greek pronoun and verb.




NET Notes: Joh 8:27 They did not understand…about his Father is a parenthetical note by the author. This type of comment, intended for the benefit of the reader, is...



NET Notes: Joh 8:30 The word “people” is not in the Greek text, but is supplied for clarity and smoothness in the translation.
Geneva Bible: Joh 8:21 ( 8 ) Then said Jesus again unto them, I go my way, and ye shall seek me, and shall die in your sins: whither I go, ye cannot come.
( 8 ) Because men...

Geneva Bible: Joh 8:25 ( 9 ) Then said they unto him, Who art thou? And Jesus saith unto them, Even ( f ) [the same] that I said unto you from the beginning.
( 9 ) He will ...

Geneva Bible: Joh 8:26 ( 10 ) I have many things to say and to judge of you: but he that sent me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of him.
(...

Geneva Bible: Joh 8:27 ( 11 ) They understood not that he spake to them of the Father.
( 11 ) Even the contempt of Christ results in his glory: and this thing his enemies w...

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TSK Synopsis -> Joh 8:1-59
TSK Synopsis: Joh 8:1-59 - --1 Christ delivers the woman taken in adultery.12 He declares himself the light of the world, and justifies his doctrine;31 promises freedom to those w...
Combined Bible -> Joh 8:12-32
Combined Bible: Joh 8:12-32 - --of the Gospel of John
CHAPTER 29
Christ, the Light of the World
John 8:12-32
The following ...
Maclaren -> Joh 8:30-31
Maclaren: Joh 8:30-31 - --Three Aspects Of Faith
Many believed on Him. Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on Him'--John 8:30-31.
THE Revised Version accurately repre...
MHCC -> Joh 8:21-29; Joh 8:30-36
MHCC: Joh 8:21-29 - --Those that live in unbelief, are for ever undone, if they die in unbelief. The Jews belonged to this present evil world, but Jesus was of a heavenly a...

MHCC: Joh 8:30-36 - --Such power attended our Lord's words, that many were convinced, and professed to believe in him. He encouraged them to attend his teaching, rely on hi...
Matthew Henry -> Joh 8:21-30
Matthew Henry: Joh 8:21-30 - -- Christ here gives fair warning to the careless unbelieving Jews to consider what would be the consequence of their infidelity, that they might preve...
Barclay: Joh 8:21-30 - --This is one of the passages of argument and debate so characteristic of the Fourth Gospel and so difficult to elucidate and to understand. In it vari...

Barclay: Joh 8:21-30 - --Jesus goes on to draw a series of contrasts. His opponents belong to earth, he is from heaven; they are of the world; he is not of the world.
John...

Barclay: Joh 8:21-30 - --There is no verse in all the New Testament more difficult to translate than Joh 8:25. No one can really be sure what the Greek means. It could mean:...
Constable: Joh 1:19--13:1 - --II. Jesus' public ministry 1:19--12:50
The first part of the body of John's Gospel records Jesus' public ministr...

Constable: Joh 7:10--11:1 - --H. Jesus' third visit to Jerusalem 7:10-10:42
This section of the text describes Jesus' teaching in Jeru...

Constable: Joh 8:12-59 - --5. The light of the world discourse 8:12-59
Following Jesus' claim to be the water of life (7:37...
