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Text -- Ecclesiastes 8:10-17 (NET)
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Wesley: Ecc 8:10 - -- Had administered publick justice, which is frequently signified by the phrase of coming in and going out before the people.
Had administered publick justice, which is frequently signified by the phrase of coming in and going out before the people.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:10 - -- The throne or tribunal seems to be so called here, to aggravate their wickedness, who being advanced by God into so high and sacred a place, betrayed ...
The throne or tribunal seems to be so called here, to aggravate their wickedness, who being advanced by God into so high and sacred a place, betrayed so great a trust.
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They lived in great splendor, and were buried with great magnificence.
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That men should so earnestly thirst after glory, which is so soon extinct.
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God's forbearance makes them presumptuous and secure.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:13 - -- His life, though it may seem long, yet in truth is but a shadow, which will quickly vanish and disappear.
His life, though it may seem long, yet in truth is but a shadow, which will quickly vanish and disappear.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:14 - -- Either by wicked potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons of greatest virtue and merit: or, by God's providence, who sees...
Either by wicked potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons of greatest virtue and merit: or, by God's providence, who sees it fit for many weighty reasons so to manage the affairs of the present world.
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Who meet with such usage as the worst of men deserve.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:14 - -- Who, instead of those punishments which they deserve, receive those rewards which are due to virtuous men.
Who, instead of those punishments which they deserve, receive those rewards which are due to virtuous men.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:16 - -- To observe mens various designs and employments, and their unwearied labours about worldly things.
To observe mens various designs and employments, and their unwearied labours about worldly things.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:16 - -- Having now mentioned the business which is done, or which man doth, upon earth, he further adds, as an evidence of man's eagerness in pursuing his bus...
Having now mentioned the business which is done, or which man doth, upon earth, he further adds, as an evidence of man's eagerness in pursuing his business, for even by day and by night he (the busy man) seeth not sleep with his eyes. He grudges himself necessary refreshments, and disquiets himself with endless cares and labours.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:17 - -- I considered the counsels and ways of God, and the various methods of his providence, and the reasons of them.
I considered the counsels and ways of God, and the various methods of his providence, and the reasons of them.
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Wesley: Ecc 8:17 - -- No man, though ever so wise, is able fully and perfectly to understand these things. And therefore it is best for man not to perplex himself with endl...
No man, though ever so wise, is able fully and perfectly to understand these things. And therefore it is best for man not to perplex himself with endless enquiries, but quietly to submit to God's will and providence, and to live in the fear of God, and the comfortable enjoyment of his blessing.
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JFB: Ecc 8:10 - -- With funeral pomp by man, though little meriting it (Jer 22:19); but this only formed the more awful contrast to their death, temporal and eternal, in...
With funeral pomp by man, though little meriting it (Jer 22:19); but this only formed the more awful contrast to their death, temporal and eternal, inflicted by God (Luk 16:22-23).
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JFB: Ecc 8:10 - -- Went to and came from the place of judicature, where they sat as God's representatives (Psa 82:1-6), with pomp [HOLDEN]. WEISS translates, "Buried and...
Went to and came from the place of judicature, where they sat as God's representatives (Psa 82:1-6), with pomp [HOLDEN]. WEISS translates, "Buried and gone (utterly), even from the holy place they departed." As Joab, by Solomon's command, was sent to the grave from the "holy place" in the temple, which was not a sanctuary to murderers (Exo 21:14; 1Ki 2:28, 1Ki 2:31). The use of the very word "bury" there makes this view likely; still "who had come and gone" may be retained. Joab came to the altar, but had to go from it; so the "wicked rulers" (Ecc 8:9) (including high priests) came to, and went from, the temple, on occasions of solemn worship, but did not thereby escape their doom.
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JFB: Ecc 8:11 - -- The reason why the wicked persevere in sin: God's delay in judgment (Mat 24:48-51; 2Pe 3:8-9). "They see not the smoke of the pit, therefore they drea...
The reason why the wicked persevere in sin: God's delay in judgment (Mat 24:48-51; 2Pe 3:8-9). "They see not the smoke of the pit, therefore they dread not the fire" [SOUTH], (Psa 55:19). Joab's escape from the punishment of his murder of Abner, so far from "leading him to repentance," as it ought (Rom 2:4), led him to the additional murder of Amasa.
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JFB: Ecc 8:12 - -- He says this, lest the sinner should abuse the statement (Ecc 7:15), "A wicked man prolongeth his life."
He says this, lest the sinner should abuse the statement (Ecc 7:15), "A wicked man prolongeth his life."
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JFB: Ecc 8:12 - -- Literally, "at His presence"; reverently serve Him, realizing His continual presence.
Literally, "at His presence"; reverently serve Him, realizing His continual presence.
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JFB: Ecc 8:13 - -- Not a contradiction to Ecc 8:12. The "prolonging" of his days there is only seeming, not real. Taking into account his eternal existence, his present ...
Not a contradiction to Ecc 8:12. The "prolonging" of his days there is only seeming, not real. Taking into account his eternal existence, his present days, however seemingly long, are really short. God's delay (Ecc 8:11) exists only in man's short-sighted view. It gives scope to the sinner to repent, or else to fill up his full measure of guilt; and so, in either case, tends to the final vindication of God's ways. It gives exercise to the faith, patience, and perseverance of saints.
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JFB: Ecc 8:14 - -- An objection is here started (entertained by Solomon in his apostasy), as in Ecc 3:16; Ecc 7:15, to the truth of retributive justice, from the fact of...
An objection is here started (entertained by Solomon in his apostasy), as in Ecc 3:16; Ecc 7:15, to the truth of retributive justice, from the fact of the just and the wicked not now receiving always according to their respective deserts; a cavil, which would seem the more weighty to men living under the Mosaic covenant of temporal sanctions. The objector adds, as Solomon had said, that the worldling's pursuits are "vanity" (Ecc 8:10), "I say (not 'said') this also is vanity. Then I commend mirth," &c. [HOLDEN]. Ecc 8:14-15 may, however, be explained as teaching a cheerful, thankful use of God's gifts "under the sun," that is, not making them the chief good, as sensualists do, which Ecc 2:2; Ecc 7:2, forbid; but in "the fear of God," as Ecc 3:12; Ecc 5:18; Ecc 7:18; Ecc 9:7, opposed to the abstinence of the self-righteous ascetic (Ecc 7:16), and of the miser (Ecc 5:17).
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Namely, for the "just" man, whose chief good is religion, not for the worldly.
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JFB: Ecc 8:15 - -- Hebrew, "adhere"; not for ever, but it is the only sure good to be enjoyed from earthly labors (equivalent to "of his labor the days of his life"). St...
Hebrew, "adhere"; not for ever, but it is the only sure good to be enjoyed from earthly labors (equivalent to "of his labor the days of his life"). Still, the language resembles the skeptical precept (1Co 15:32), introduced only to be refuted; and "abide" is too strong language, perhaps, for a religious man to apply to "eating" and "mirth."
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JFB: Ecc 8:16 - -- Reply to Ecc 8:14-15. When I applied myself to observe man's toils after happiness (some of them so incessant as not to allow sufficient time for "sle...
Reply to Ecc 8:14-15. When I applied myself to observe man's toils after happiness (some of them so incessant as not to allow sufficient time for "sleep"), then (Ecc 8:17, the apodosis) I saw that man cannot find out (the reason of) God's inscrutable dealings with the "just" and with the "wicked" here (Ecc 8:14; Ecc 3:11; Job 5:9; Rom 11:33); his duty is to acquiesce in them as good, because they are God's, though he sees not all the reasons for them (Psa 73:16). It is enough to know "the righteous are in God's hand" (Ecc 9:1). "Over wise" (Ecc 7:16); that is, Speculations above what is written are vain.
Clarke: Ecc 8:10 - -- Who had come and gone from the place of the holy - The place of the holy is the sacred office which they held, anointed either as kings or priests t...
Who had come and gone from the place of the holy - The place of the holy is the sacred office which they held, anointed either as kings or priests to God; and, not having fulfilled the holy office in a holy way, have been carried to their graves without lamentation, and lie among the dead without remembrance.
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Clarke: Ecc 8:11 - -- Because sentence - פתגם pithgam , a Divine decree or declaration. This is no Hebrew, but a mere Chaldee word, and occurs only in the later book...
Because sentence -
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Clarke: Ecc 8:12 - -- Though a sinner do evil a hundred times - If God bear so long with a transgressor, waiting in his longsuffering for him to repent and turn to him, s...
Though a sinner do evil a hundred times - If God bear so long with a transgressor, waiting in his longsuffering for him to repent and turn to him, surely he will be peculiarly kind to them that fear him, and endeavor to walk uprightly before him.
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Clarke: Ecc 8:13 - -- But it shall not be well with the wicked - Let not the long-spared sinner presume that, because sentence is not speedily executed on his evil works,...
But it shall not be well with the wicked - Let not the long-spared sinner presume that, because sentence is not speedily executed on his evil works, and he is suffered to go on to his hundredth transgression, God has forgotten to punish. No, he feareth not before Good; and therefore he shall not ultimately escape.
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Clarke: Ecc 8:15 - -- Then I commended mirth - These are some more of the cavils of the infidel objector: "Since virtue is frequently under oppression, and vice triumphs ...
Then I commended mirth - These are some more of the cavils of the infidel objector: "Since virtue is frequently under oppression, and vice triumphs in health, and rolls in wealth, I see plainly that we should not trouble ourselves about future things; and therefore should be governed by the maxim Ede, Bibe, Lude. Post mortem nulla voluptas .
Eat, drink, and play
While here you may
For soon as deat
Has stopp’ d your breat
Ye ne’ er shall see a cheerful day.
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Clarke: Ecc 8:16 - -- When I applied mine heart to know wisdom - This is the reply of the wise man: "I have also considered these seeming contradictions. God governs the ...
When I applied mine heart to know wisdom - This is the reply of the wise man: "I have also considered these seeming contradictions. God governs the world; but we cannot see the reasons of his conduct, nor know why he does this, omits that, or permits a third thing. We may study night and day, and deprive ourselves of rest and sleep, but we shall never fathom the depths that are in the Divine government; but all is right and just. This is the state of probation; and in it neither can the wicked be punished, nor the righteous rewarded. But eternity is at hand; and then shall every man receive according to his works. He that spends his life in the eat, drink, and play, will find in that day that he has lost the time in which he could have prepared for eternity.
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Clarke: Ecc 8:17 - -- Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun - I saw it to be of such a nature -
1. ...
Then I beheld all the work of God, that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun - I saw it to be of such a nature -
1. That a man cannot find it out
2. That if he labor to find it out, he shall not succeed
3. That though he be wise - the most instructed among men, and think to find it out, he shall find he is not able. It is beyond the wisdom and power of man. How vain then are all your cavils about Providence. You do not understand it; you cannot comprehend it. Fear God!
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Defender: Ecc 8:11 - -- The apparent prosperity of the wicked has long been both a stumbling block to faith and an encouragement to evil doers. Yet Solomon knew that the sent...
TSK: Ecc 8:10 - -- so : 2Ki 9:34, 2Ki 9:35; Job 21:18, Job 21:32, Job 21:33; Luk 16:22
the place : Psa 122:1-5; Act 6:13
they were : Ecc 2:16, Ecc 9:5; Psa 31:12; Pro 10...
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TSK: Ecc 8:11 - -- sentence : Exo 8:15, Exo 8:32; Job 21:11-15; Psa 10:6, Psa 50:21, Psa 50:22; Isa 5:18, Isa 5:19, Isa 26:10; Isa 57:11; Jer 48:11; Mat 24:49, Mat 24:50...
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TSK: Ecc 8:12 - -- a sinner : Ecc 5:16, Ecc 7:15; 1Ki 2:5-9, 1Ki 21:25, 1Ki 22:34, 1Ki 22:35; Pro 13:21; Isa 65:20; Rom 2:5; Rom 9:22; 2Pe 2:9
surely : Ecc 7:18; Psa 37:...
a sinner : Ecc 5:16, Ecc 7:15; 1Ki 2:5-9, 1Ki 21:25, 1Ki 22:34, 1Ki 22:35; Pro 13:21; Isa 65:20; Rom 2:5; Rom 9:22; 2Pe 2:9
surely : Ecc 7:18; Psa 37:11, Psa 37:18, Psa 37:19, Psa 112:1, Psa 115:13; Pro 1:32, Pro 1:33; Isa 3:10, Isa 3:11; Isa 65:13, Isa 65:14, Isa 65:20-24; Mat 25:34, Mat 25:41-46; Luk 1:50
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TSK: Ecc 8:13 - -- it shall : Job 18:5, Job 20:5, Job 21:30; Psa 11:5; Isa 57:21; Mal 3:18; Mat 13:49, Mat 13:50; Joh 5:29
neither : Psa 55:23; Isa 30:13; 2Pe 2:3
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TSK: Ecc 8:14 - -- a vanity : Ecc 4:4, Ecc 4:8, Ecc 9:3, Ecc 10:5
there be just : Ecc 2:14, Ecc 7:15, Ecc 9:1-3; Job 9:22-24, 21:17-34, Job 24:21-25; Psa 73:13, Psa 73:1...
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TSK: Ecc 8:15 - -- Then I : Some consider this as the cavil of an infidel objector, equivalent to the Epicurean maxim, Ede , bibe , lude; post mortem nulla voluptas ...
Then I : Some consider this as the cavil of an infidel objector, equivalent to the Epicurean maxim, Ede , bibe , lude; post mortem nulla voluptas , ""Eat, drink, and play; there is no pleasure after death.""But it may be regarded as a recommendation of a moderate use of worldly things, with a cheerful and contented mind; which may justly be considered as the greatest advantage which can be made of all below the sun, and amidst all changes, such a frame of mind, if the result of right principles, may and ought to be preserved; and it will be the recompence and solace of all our labours and toils. Ecc 2:24, Ecc 3:12, Ecc 3:13, Ecc 3:22, Ecc 5:18, Ecc 9:7-9; 1Ti 4:3, 1Ti 4:4, 1Ti 6:17
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TSK: Ecc 8:16 - -- When I : Solomon here records the result of his perplexing inquiries into the affairs of men, and the purposes, providence, and works of God. And whe...
When I : Solomon here records the result of his perplexing inquiries into the affairs of men, and the purposes, providence, and works of God. And when he examined with great attention and diligence into the works of God, he found he could neither comprehend nor explain them; and was persuaded, that no application or capacity would enable a man to fathom the depth of the Divine dispensations in this lower world. How vain, then, are all cavils against Divine providence; when we can neither understand, nor comprehend it! Ecc 8:9, Ecc 8:7 Ecc 7:25
there is that : Ecc 2:23, Ecc 4:8, Ecc 5:12; Gen 31:40; Psa 127:2
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TSK: Ecc 8:17 - -- that a man : Ecc 3:11, Ecc 7:23, Ecc 7:24, Ecc 11:5; Job 5:9, Job 11:7-9; Psa 40:5, Psa 73:16, Psa 104:24; Pro 30:3, Pro 30:4; Isa 40:28; Rom 11:33
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Barnes: Ecc 8:10 - -- i. e., "I saw wicked (rulers) buried, who came into the world and went from the Holy place (the seat of authority and justice, Deu 19:17; 2Ch 19:6),...
i. e., "I saw wicked (rulers) buried, who came into the world and went from the Holy place (the seat of authority and justice, Deu 19:17; 2Ch 19:6), and they were forgotten in the city where they had so ruled to the hurt of their subjects: this - their death and oblivion - shews their lot also to be vanity."Others interpret the verse: "I have seen wicked men buried; and (others) came into the world, and from the Holy place they went out of the world, and were forgotten in the city where they had done rightly"(compare 2Ki 7:9).
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Barnes: Ecc 8:12 - -- His days be prolonged - i. e., in his wickedness Ecc 8:8. "I"is emphatic, as if to mark the opposition to the "sons of men"Ecc 8:11.
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Barnes: Ecc 8:14 - -- Which is done upon the earth - The instance of vanity, to which these words are applied, is the seeming inequality of God’ s justice; but ...
Which is done upon the earth - The instance of vanity, to which these words are applied, is the seeming inequality of God’ s justice; but if they are considered in connection with the profession of personal faith in God’ s absolute justice Ecc 8:12, the conclusion is irresistible, that, whatever reason the Preacher had for reserve in declaring his belief, he certainly looked forward to final judgment in a future state of existence (compare Ecc 3:17; Ecc 12:14).
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Barnes: Ecc 8:15 - -- Mirth - Better, Gladness, or "joy"(as in Ecc 2:10). The Hebrew word is applied not only to the pleasures arising from the physical senses, but ...
Mirth - Better, Gladness, or "joy"(as in Ecc 2:10). The Hebrew word is applied not only to the pleasures arising from the physical senses, but also frequently to religious joy. The sentiment of this verse is a frequent conclusion of the writer’ s personal experience (compare marginal references), and is unfairly charged with Epicureanism. The Preacher is careful to set forth pleasure as a gift from God, to be earned by labor, and received with thankfulness to the Giver, and to be accounted for to Him. His estimate of the pleasures of the senses is recorded in Ecc 7:2-6.
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Barnes: Ecc 8:16-17 - -- These verses supplement Ecc 8:15 with the reflection that the man who goes beyond that limited sphere within which he can labor and be contented, an...
These verses supplement Ecc 8:15 with the reflection that the man who goes beyond that limited sphere within which he can labor and be contented, and investigates the whole work of God, will find that his finite intelligence cannot grasp it.
Business - Or, "travail"Ecc 1:13; Ecc 3:10. The sleeplessness noted probably refers to the writer himself.
Poole: Ecc 8:10 - -- And so in like manner, or such another vanity or disorder, I saw the wicked; wicked princes or rulers, as the next clause limits this.
Buried die q...
And so in like manner, or such another vanity or disorder, I saw the wicked; wicked princes or rulers, as the next clause limits this.
Buried die quietly in their beds, and afterward be buried with state and pomp, whereas in truth they deserved an untimely end, and no other than the burial of an ass.
Who had come and gone who had administered public justice and government, which is frequently signified by the phrase of coming in and going out before the people , as Num 27:17 Deu 31:2 . The seventy Jewish interpreters, whom some others follow, render the word, they were praised , applauded and adored, by the variation of one letter in the Hebrew word, which also is very like that letter which is in the text.
The place of the holy by which he understands either,
1. The holy city Jerusalem, or the Holy Land, where Israel dwelt; which may be added to aggravate the wickedness of such persons, from the obligations, and counsels, and examples which they had to do better things. Or,
2. The seat of majesty and judgment, which may well be called the place or seat of the Holy, i.e. of God, who is called the Holy One, Hab 3:3 , and oft elsewhere, who is in a special manner present in and president over those places, whose work, and for whom, and in whose name and stead, magistrates act, who therefore are called gods; of all which see Exo 22:28 Deu 1:17 1Ch 29:23 Psa 82:1 , &c. And the throne or tribunal seems to be so called here, to aggravate their wickedness, who being sacred persons, and advanced by God into so high and sacred a place, betrayed so great a trust, and both practised and encouraged that wickedness which by their office they were obliged to suppress and punish. They were forgotten ; whereas they designed to spread and perpetuate their names and memories to succeeding ages, Psa 49:11 . Where they had so done , i.e. come to and go from the place of the holy; where they lived in great splendour, and were buried with great magnificence; which might have kept up their remembrance at least in that place. This is also vanity ; that men should so earnestly thirst after and please themselves with worldly greatness and glory, which is so soon extinct, and the very memory of it quickly worn out of the minds of men.
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Poole: Ecc 8:11 - -- Sentence against an evil work or, the decree, &c. God’ s determinate counsel or sentence for the punishment of tyrants and all evil-doers.
Ther...
Sentence against an evil work or, the decree, &c. God’ s determinate counsel or sentence for the punishment of tyrants and all evil-doers.
Therefore because God’ s forbearance makes them presumptuous and secure, and confident of impunity.
Is fully set Heb. is filled , is carried on with full sail, as the LXX. understand it, like a ship with a strong and violent wind; or, is bold or presumptuous, as the same phrase is understood, Est 7:5 Act 5:3 .
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Poole: Ecc 8:12 - -- An hundred times frequently and innumerably.
His days the time of his life and prosperity.
It shall be well with them that fear God whereby he im...
An hundred times frequently and innumerably.
His days the time of his life and prosperity.
It shall be well with them that fear God whereby he implies, both that good men might for a time suffer grievous things from such wicked tyrants, and that it should be very ill with the wicked, which is manifest from the contrary course and condition of good and bad men, and which is expressed in the following words: compare Psa 2:12 . Before him ; or, at his presence ; who stand in awe of God, and forbear and fear to sin out of a sincere respect and reverence to God.
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Poole: Ecc 8:13 - -- It shall not be well i.e. it shall go very ill with him; great miseries are prepared for him; which is a figure oft used in Scripture, as hath been f...
It shall not be well i.e. it shall go very ill with him; great miseries are prepared for him; which is a figure oft used in Scripture, as hath been formerly and frequently observed.
Neither shall he prolong his days to wit, very long, or for ever, as he desireth.
As a shadow his life, though it may be or seem to be long, yet in truth is but a mere shadow, which will quickly vanish and disappear, and be as if it never had been; and many times, like a shadow, when it is longest, it is nearest to abolition.
Because he feareth not before God this is the punishment of his wickedness, and his casting off the fear and service of God. For although the lives of good men upon earth are short, as well as the lives of the wicked, yet their days are not like a shadow, because they are prolonged far beyond this mortal state, even to all eternity, and death itself doth but open the way for them to an endless life.
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Poole: Ecc 8:14 - -- Which is done either by wicked potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons of greatest virtue and merit; or by God’ s ...
Which is done either by wicked potentates, who do commonly advance unworthy men, and oppress persons of greatest virtue and merit; or by God’ s providence, who sees it fit for many weighty reasons so to manage the affairs of the present world.
Unto whom it happeneth according to the work of the wicked i.e. the merit of their work; the work being oft put for the recompence given or belonging to it, as Lev 19:13 Job 7:2 Psa 109:20 . The sense is, who meets with such hard usage as the worst of men deserve.
To whom it happeneth according to the work of the righteous who, instead of those just and dreadful punishments which they deserve by the laws of God and men, receive those encouragements and rewards which are due to virtuous and worthy men.
This also is vanity this is a very unreasonable and foolish thing, if it be considered without respect unto another life, as it is here, where Solomon is discoursing of the vanity of the present life, and of the impossibility of finding satisfaction and happiness in it.
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Poole: Ecc 8:15 - -- This he speaks, either,
1. In the person of a sensual man. Things being so, as was related, Ecc 8:14 , it is best to give a man’ s self up to ...
This he speaks, either,
1. In the person of a sensual man. Things being so, as was related, Ecc 8:14 , it is best to give a man’ s self up to eating and drinking, and all manner of carnal delights. Or,
2. In his own name and person. Upon these considerations I concluded that it was most advisable for a man not to perplex and torment himself with the thoughts of the seeming inequality of Divine Providence, and of the great disorders which are in the world, or with cares and fears about future events, or with infinite and insatiable desires of worldly things; but quietly, and cheerfully, and thankfully to enjoy the comforts which God gives him. See Poole "Ecc 2:24 3:12,13 .
That shall abide with him of his labour this is the best advantage which he can make of this world’ s goods as to the present life.
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Poole: Ecc 8:16 - -- I applied mine heart to know wisdom: this he seems to add as the reason of that judgment which he had now passed, Ecc 8:15 , because he had diligentl...
I applied mine heart to know wisdom: this he seems to add as the reason of that judgment which he had now passed, Ecc 8:15 , because he had diligently studied wherein man’ s wisdom did consist, and had observed the restlessness of men’ s minds and bodies in other courses.
To see the business either,
1. To find out the work of God, as the next verse may seem to explain it, and all the mysteries of God’ s providence in the government of this present and lower world. Or,
2. To observe men’ s various designs and employments, and their toilsome and unwearied businesses or labours about worldly things; which sense seems best to agree, both with the use of this Hebrew word, which is constantly used in this sense in all the places of Scripture where it is, which are Ecc 1:13 2:23,26 3:10 4:8 5:3,14 8:16 , and never concerning the works of God; and with the foregoing and following words, as we shall see. There is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes : the sense of the words thus translated and pointed seems to be this, There is a certain man, whom it is needless to name, (which is a modest designation of himself, like that of St. Paul, 2Co 12:2 , I knew a man in Christ , &c.,) who studied those matters day and night, and therefore is very capable of passing a judgment about them. But, with submission, there seems to be no need of a parenthesis to cut off these words from the former, with whom they have a fit connexion. For having now mentioned the business which is done , or which man doeth, upon earth, he further adds, as an evidence of man’ s eagerness in pursuing his business, for even by day and by night he (to wit, the busy man, which is easily understood from the foregoing clause) seeth not sleep with his eyes , i.e. he grudgeth himself even necessary refreshments, and disquiets himself with endless cares and labours, the fruit whereof he doth but little enjoy; and therefore it is better to eat and drink , &c., as I now said, Ecc 8:15 . As for the phrase of seeing sleep , it is a figurative expression used in other authors, and is like that of seeing death, Psa 89:48 .
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Poole: Ecc 8:17 - -- Then Heb. and , or moreover , I beheld all the work of God; I considered the counsels and ways of God, and the various methods of his providence to...
Then Heb. and , or moreover , I beheld all the work of God; I considered the counsels and ways of God, and the various methods of his providence towards good and bad men, and the reasons of them.
A man cannot find out no man, though never so wise, and inquisitive, and studious, as it follows, is able fully and perfectly to understand these things; and therefore it is best for man not to perplex himself with endless and fruitless inquiries about these matters, but quietly to submit to God’ s will and providence, and to live in the fear of God, and the comfortable enjoyment of his blessings.
Haydock: Ecc 8:10 - -- Works. In life and death hypocrites are mixed with the unjust; and this excites indignation.
Works. In life and death hypocrites are mixed with the unjust; and this excites indignation.
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Haydock: Ecc 8:11 - -- Fear. Thus they abuse the patience of God, and grow worse, because he is good. His time will come, Apocalypse xvi. 15, Ecclesiasticus v. 4., and 2 ...
Fear. Thus they abuse the patience of God, and grow worse, because he is good. His time will come, Apocalypse xvi. 15, Ecclesiasticus v. 4., and 2 Peter iii. 10.
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Haydock: Ecc 8:12 - -- Face. If God shew such clemency to the wicked, will he disregard his servants? Greek interpreters have read in a different meaning. (Calmet) ---
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Face. If God shew such clemency to the wicked, will he disregard his servants? Greek interpreters have read in a different meaning. (Calmet) ---
Septuagint, "the sinner has done evil from that time, and for a long while," (Tirinus) &c. See St. Jerome. (Haydock)
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Haydock: Ecc 8:13 - -- Let. Or, Hebrew, "it shall not," &c. (Protestants) (Haydock) ---
Faith evinces that the wicked will be punished. ---
But. Hebrew, "like a shad...
Let. Or, Hebrew, "it shall not," &c. (Protestants) (Haydock) ---
Faith evinces that the wicked will be punished. ---
But. Hebrew, "like a shadow." Septuagint, "under the shade," in prosperity.
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Haydock: Ecc 8:14 - -- Vain, or afflicting. Hence some have denied Providence, Jeremias xii. 1. (Calmet)
Vain, or afflicting. Hence some have denied Providence, Jeremias xii. 1. (Calmet)
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Haydock: Ecc 8:15 - -- No good for a man, &c. Some commentators think the wise man here speaks in the person of the libertine, representing the objections of these men aga...
No good for a man, &c. Some commentators think the wise man here speaks in the person of the libertine, representing the objections of these men against divine Providence, and the inferences they draw from thence, which he takes care afterwards to refute. But it may also be said, that his meaning is to commend the moderate use of the goods of this world, preferably to the cares and solicitudes of worldlings, their attachment to vanity and curiosity, and presumptuously diving into the unsearchable ways of divine providence. (Challoner) (Chap. ii. 24., and iii. 12., and Ecclesiasticus xv.) (Calmet) ---
Felicity is not attached to temporal prosperity, nor are the afflicted always miserable. (Worthington)
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Distraction of politicians, (Grotius) and of all human affairs.
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Haydock: Ecc 8:17 - -- Reason. We know in general that God does all for his own glory, and for the welfare of his elect. But we cannot account for his treatment of mankin...
Reason. We know in general that God does all for his own glory, and for the welfare of his elect. But we cannot account for his treatment of mankind in particular cases, Romans xi. 33. (St. Jerome) (Calmet) ---
Say. Septuagint, "speak what thing soever, that he may know he," &c. (Haydock)
Gill: Ecc 8:10 - -- And so I saw the wicked buried,.... Or "truly" k, verily, as the Targum, this is matter of fact; or "then I saw", as Aben Ezra and others, upon applyi...
And so I saw the wicked buried,.... Or "truly" k, verily, as the Targum, this is matter of fact; or "then I saw", as Aben Ezra and others, upon applying his heart to every work; or when be observed particularly wicked magistrates, he took notice that some of them continued in their power until death, and died in their beds, and were carried to their graves in great pomp and state, and interred in a very magnificent manner, when they deserved no burial at all, but, as King Jeconiah, to be buried with the burial of an ass;
who had come and gone from the place of the holy; which most understand of the same persons, of wicked magistrates buried, who kept their posts of honour and places of power and authority as long as they lived; and went to and came from the courts of judicature and tribunals of justice, in great state and splendour; where they presided as God's vicegerents, and therefore called the place of the holy, Psa 82:1; or though they were sometimes deposed, yet they were restored again to their former dignity; or though they died and were buried, yet in a sense rose again in their children that succeeded them, so Aben Ezra: but it seems better to understated it of other persons, and render the, words thus, "and they came, and from the place of the holy", or "the holy place they walked" l; that is, multitudes came to attend the funeral of such rich and mighty men, and walked after or followed the corpse; and ever, the priests and Levites from the temple made a part of the funeral procession, and walked in great solemnity from thence to the place of interment, which was usually without the city;
and they were forgotten in the city where they had done; all their evil deeds were forgotten, their acts of oppression and injustice, as if they had never been done by them. The Septuagint and Vulgate Latin versions are, "and they were praised in the city"; panegyrics upon them were written and rehearsed, monuments were erected to their honour, with large encomiums of them; and so it may be read by the change of a letter; and Jarchi says, do not read "forgotten", but "praised"; and so he says it is interpreted by their Rabbins. The whole may be considered in a very different view thus "but then I saw", &c. such arbitrary rulers die, and laid in the grave, one after another, and their names have been buried in oblivion, and never remembered more in the city where they have exercised so much power and authority. The latter part of the text is by many understood of good men, and rendered thus, "and" or "but on the contrary they were forgotten in the city where they had done right" m; their persons and their good deeds were remembered no more; but this seems contrary to Psa 112:6. The Targum paraphrases the whole thus;
"and in truth I have seen sinners that are buried and destroyed out of the world, from the holy place where the righteous dwell, who go to be burned in hell; and they are forgotten among the inhabitants of the city; and as they have done, it is done to them;''
this is also vanity; the pompous funeral of such wicked magistrates.
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Gill: Ecc 8:11 - -- Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily,.... Any evil work done by magistrates, or others, against which the wrath of God is r...
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily,.... Any evil work done by magistrates, or others, against which the wrath of God is revealed from heaven, and is threatened with his vengeance; the decree is gone forth, the sentence is passed, God is determined upon punishment; but there is a delay of it, he exercises patience and longsuffering to answer some end of his, both towards his own people and the wicked; as well as to display some of his own perfections; but because so it is, the judgment comes not at once;
therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil; or their "heart is full to do evil" n; they have not only a fulness of sin in them naturally as is in every man's heart; but they are filled with resolution, boldness, and courage, to commit sin, promising themselves impurity from the seeming delay of justice; such an abuse do they make of the patience and forbearance of God; they become more and more hardened in sin and bent upon the commission of it.
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Gill: Ecc 8:12 - -- Though a sinner do evil an hundred times,.... That is ever so many times, a certain number for an uncertain; though he lives in a continued course of ...
Though a sinner do evil an hundred times,.... That is ever so many times, a certain number for an uncertain; though he lives in a continued course of sin, being resolved upon the above consideration to give himself a swing to his lusts. The Targum renders it a hundred years; though be should live so long in sin, yet at last should be accursed Isa 65:20. This and what follows are said to check the boldness and presumption of the sinner upon the patience of God; and to make the people of God easy under the delay of justice, and the prosperity of the wicked;
and his days be prolonged: or rather, "and he prolongs unto him" o; that is, God prolongs unto him, not days only, but the execution of the sentence against his evil works; or defers his wrath and punishment; so Jarchi,
"and the holy blessed God prolongs to him, and does not take vengeance on him;''
and to this purpose is the Targum,
"and from the Lord is given to him space to return;''
yet surely I know; from the word and promise, and from experience, having observed it in a multitude of instances, which have abundantly confirmed the truth;
that it shall be well with them that fear God; not with a servile but filial fear, with a holy, humble, fiducial, affectionate, and an obediential fear; not through any terrible apprehension of his majesty, his judgment, his wrath now and hereafter; but under a sense of his being and perfections, and especially his mercy, grace, and goodness: it is well with such persons in all things; with respect to things temporal they shall not want what is proper for them; and with respect to things spiritual they are interested in the love, grace, and mercy of God; have much made known to them; are remembered by him; the sun of righteousness rises upon them; the eye of God is on them, and his heart towards them, and his hand communicates every needful supply to them; and they are guarded, not only by his angels, but by himself; and it is well with them at all times; in times of public calamity they are either taken from it beforehand, or preserved in it; all afflictions are for their good; it goes well with them at death and judgment; and they will be happy both in the millennium state and in the ultimate glory, So the Targum,
"it shall be well in the world to come with them that fear the Lord;''
see Psa 34:7; with this compare Isa 3:10; it is added,
which fear before him: whose fear is not hypocritical, but sincere and hearty; not in show only, but in reality; not the precepts of men, and as before them, but as the sight of God; having always a sense of omniscience and omnipresence before them; and especially this fear is exercised by them when they are his house, in the assembly of his saints, attending his word and ordinances: or "which fear at his presence"; which fills them with a holy awe, as wall as with joy and gladness. The Targum is,
"which fear before him, and do his will.''
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Gill: Ecc 8:13 - -- But it shall not be well with the wicked,.... It shall be ill with him; more is designed than is expressed, Isa 3:11; in life they have no solid peace...
But it shall not be well with the wicked,.... It shall be ill with him; more is designed than is expressed, Isa 3:11; in life they have no solid peace and comfort; at death they will be turned into at judgment they will hear the awful sentence, "Go, ye cursed", and will be in torment to all eternity, Mat 25:41;
neither shall he prolong his days, which are as a shadow: wicked men sometimes do not live out half their days, which, according to the course of nature, and common term of life, they might be thought to live; or if they prolong their days in wickedness, as sometimes they do, Ecc 7:15; yet their days at longest are but a shadow which declines, and is quickly gone; or, however, they do not attain to eternal life, which is sometimes meant by prolonging days, and is length of days for ever and ever, Isa 53:10; this they never enjoy; but when the righteous go into life lasting, they go into everlasting punishment. The reason of this is,
because he feareth not before God; the fear of God is not before his eyes, nor in his heart; he goes on in sin without fear of him, boldly and openly commits it, and instead of taking shame for it, or repenting of it, glories in it; stretches out his hand against God, and bids defiance to him, and desires not the knowledge of him, and refuses to obey him The Targum of the whole is,
"and it shall not be well with the wicked, and he shall have no space in the world to come; and in this world his days shall be cut off, and they shall flee and pass away as a shadow, because he fears not God.''
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Gill: Ecc 8:14 - -- There is a vanity which is done upon the earth,.... Transacted in this lower world under the sun, through the permission and direction of divine Provi...
There is a vanity which is done upon the earth,.... Transacted in this lower world under the sun, through the permission and direction of divine Providence; not that it is a vanity on the part of God, who has wise ends to answer by it, for the good of his people, the trial of their graces, &c. or to bring sinners to repentance, or harden them in sin; but this shows the vanity and uncertainty of all worldly things, and that there is no happiness to be had in them;
that there be just men, unto whom it happeneth according to the work of the wicked: to whom evil comes, as the Targum and Jarchi; who are treated as if they were wicked men, and dealt with in providence as sinners would be, if they had the just desert of their wicked works; being attended with poverty, sickness, and disgrace, and other calamities of life, as Job, Asaph, Lazarus, and others, and yet truly righteous and good men;
again, there be wicked men to whom it happeneth according to the work of the righteous; to whom good things come, as the Targum and Jarchi; who have an affluence of good things, all the outward blessings of life, as health, wealth, honour, long life, &c. as if they had lived the best of lives, and were the most righteous persons upon earth; see Job 21:7;
I said, that this also is vanity; this is said, as some think, according to the judgment of corrupt nature; or as it is apprehended by such who do not rightly consider the judgments of God and the wisdom of Providence in the ordering of things to answer good purposes; or rather the sense is, this is one of the miseries and infelicities of this life, and which demonstrates the emptiness of all things here below, and that the chief good and supreme happiness is not to be had here; but there is and must be a future state, when all things will be set right, and everyone will have and enjoy his proper portion.
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Gill: Ecc 8:15 - -- Then I commended mirth,.... Innocent mirth, a cheerfulness of spirit in whatsoever state condition men are; serenity and tranquillity of mind, thankfu...
Then I commended mirth,.... Innocent mirth, a cheerfulness of spirit in whatsoever state condition men are; serenity and tranquillity of mind, thankfulness for what they have, and a free and comfortable use of it; this the wise man praised and recommended to good men, as being much better than to fret at the prosperity of the wicked, and the seemingly unequal distribution of things in this world, and because they had not so much of them: as others; who yet had reason to be thankful for what they had, and to lift up their heads and be cheerful, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God in another world. The Targum interprets it of the joy of the law;
because a man hath no better thing under the sun than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry; of earthly things there is nothing better than for a man freely and cheerfully, with moderation and thankfulness, to enjoy what God has given him; this is what had been observed before, Ecc 2:24; and is not the language of an epicure, or a carnal man, who observing that no difference is made between the righteous and the wicked, that it is as well or better with the wicked than the righteous, determines to give up himself to sensual lusts and pleasures; but it is the good and wholesome advice of the wise man, for men to be easy under every providence, satisfied with their present condition and circumstances, and be cheerful and pleasant, and not distress themselves about things they cannot alter;
for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life,
which God giveth him under the sun; man's present life is under the sun, and is continued as long as it pleases God; though it is but short, rather to be counted by days than years, and is a laborious one; and all that he gets by his labour, enjoyed by him, is to eat and drink cheerfully; and this he may expect to have and continue with him as long as he lives, even food and raiment, and with this he should be content.
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Gill: Ecc 8:16 - -- When I applied mine heart to know wisdom,.... The nature and causes of things; the wisdom of God in his providence, and the grounds and reasons of his...
When I applied mine heart to know wisdom,.... The nature and causes of things; the wisdom of God in his providence, and the grounds and reasons of his various dispensations towards the children of men: the Targum interprets it, the wisdom of the law;
and to see the business that is done upon the earth; either the business of Providence, in dealing so unequally with the righteous and the wicked, before observed; and which is a business very afflictive and distressing for curious persons to look into, not being able to account for it: or the labour and toil of men to get wealth and riches, and to find happiness in them;
(for also there is that neither day nor night seeth sleep with his eyes); or has any sleep in his eyes, through his eager pursuit after worldly things, or, however, has but little; he rises early and sits up late at his business, so close and diligent is he at it, so industrious to obtain riches, imagining a happiness in them there is not: or else this describes persons curious and inquisitive into the affairs of Providence, and the reasons of them; who give themselves no rest, day nor night, being so intent upon their studies of this kind; and perhaps the wise man may design himself.
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Gill: Ecc 8:17 - -- Then I beheld all the work of God,.... Not of creation, but of Providence; took notice of it, contemplated on it, considered it, and weighed it well; ...
Then I beheld all the work of God,.... Not of creation, but of Providence; took notice of it, contemplated on it, considered it, and weighed it well; viewed the various steps and methods of it, to find out, if possible, at least, some general rule by which it proceeded: but all so various and uncertain,
that a man cannot find out the work that is done under the sun: he can find out that it is done, but not the reason why it is done: the ways of God are in the deep, and not to be traced; they are unsearchable and past finding out; there is a
because, though a man labour to seek it out, yet he shall not find it; Noldius and others render it "although"; not only a man that, in a slight and negligent manner, seeks after the knowledge of the works of divine Providence, and the reasons of them; but even one that is diligent and laborious at it is not able to find them out; they being purposely concealed by the Lord, to answer some ends of his;
yea, further, though a wise man think to know it, yet shall he not be able to find it; a man of a great natural capacity, such an one as Solomon himself, though he proposes to himself, and determines within himself to find it out, and sets himself to the work, and uses all the means and methods he can devise, and imagines with himself he shall be able to find out the reasons of the divine procedure, in his dispensations towards the righteous and the wicked; and yet, after all, he is not able to do it. The Targum is,
"what shall be done in the end of days;''
wherefore it is best for a man to be easy and quiet, and enjoy what he has in the best manner he can, and submit to the will of God.
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NET Notes -> Ecc 8:10; Ecc 8:10; Ecc 8:10; Ecc 8:10; Ecc 8:10; Ecc 8:10; Ecc 8:11; Ecc 8:11; Ecc 8:11; Ecc 8:11; Ecc 8:11; Ecc 8:11; Ecc 8:12; Ecc 8:12; Ecc 8:12; Ecc 8:12; Ecc 8:13; Ecc 8:13; Ecc 8:13; Ecc 8:13; Ecc 8:13; Ecc 8:14; Ecc 8:14; Ecc 8:14; Ecc 8:14; Ecc 8:14; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:15; Ecc 8:16; Ecc 8:16; Ecc 8:16; Ecc 8:16; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17; Ecc 8:17
NET Notes: Ecc 8:10 The term הֶבֶל (hevel) here means “enigmatic,” that is, difficult to grasp mentally. This sense is derived f...
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NET Notes: Ecc 8:11 Heb “is full to do evil.” The verb מָלֵא (male’, “to fill”) is used figuratively (metonymy...
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NET Notes: Ecc 8:14 Heb “to whom it happens according to the deeds of the righteous”; or “who are rewarded for the deeds of the righteous.”
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NET Notes: Ecc 8:16 Heb “for no one sees sleep with their eyes either day or night.” The construction גַם …כִּי...
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NET Notes: Ecc 8:17 The term “it” does not appear in the Hebrew text, but is an implied direct object and has been supplied in the translation for smoothness ...
Geneva Bible: Ecc 8:10 And so I saw the wicked buried, who had come and ( i ) gone from the ( k ) place of the holy, and they were forgotten in the city where they had so do...
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Geneva Bible: Ecc 8:11 Because sentence against an evil work is not ( l ) executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.
( l ) W...
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Geneva Bible: Ecc 8:14 There is a vanity which is done upon the earth; that there are just [men], to whom it happeneth according to the ( m ) work of the wicked; again, ther...
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Geneva Bible: Ecc 8:15 Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than ( n ) to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with ...
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TSK Synopsis -> Ecc 8:1-17
TSK Synopsis: Ecc 8:1-17 - --1 True wisdom is modest.2 Kings are to be respected.6 Divine providence is to be observed.12 It is better with the godly in adversity, than with the w...
Maclaren -> Ecc 8:11
Maclaren: Ecc 8:11 - --Misused Respite
Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evi...
MHCC -> Ecc 8:9-13; Ecc 8:14-17
MHCC: Ecc 8:9-13 - --Solomon observed, that many a time one man rules over another to his hurt, and that prosperity hardens them in their wickedness. Sinners herein deceiv...
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MHCC: Ecc 8:14-17 - --Faith alone can establish the heart in this mixed scene, where the righteous often suffer, and the wicked prosper. Solomon commended joy, and holy sec...
Matthew Henry -> Ecc 8:9-13; Ecc 8:14-17
Matthew Henry: Ecc 8:9-13 - -- Solomon, in the beginning of the chapter, had warned us against having any thing to do with seditious subjects; here, in these verses, he encourages...
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Matthew Henry: Ecc 8:14-17 - -- Wise and good men have, of old, been perplexed with this difficulty, how the prosperity of the wicked and the troubles of the righteous can be recon...
Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 8:10 - --
"And then I have seen the wicked buried, and they came to rest; but away from the holy place they had to depart, and were forgotten in the city, suc...
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Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 8:11 - --
"Because judgment against the work of the wicked man is not speedily executed, for this reason the heart of the children of men is full within them,...
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Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 8:12-13 - --
"Because a sinner doeth evil an hundred times, and he becometh old therein, although I know that it will go well with them that fear god, that fear ...
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Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 8:14 - --
"There is a vanity which is done on the earth; that there be just men, to whom it happeneth according to the conduct of the wicked; and that there b...
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Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 8:15 - --
"And I commended joy, that there is nothing better for a man under the sun than to eat and drink and enjoy himself; and that this accompanies him in...
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Keil-Delitzsch: Ecc 8:16-17 - --
"When I gave my heart to know wisdom, and to view the business which is done on the earth (for neither day nor night doth he see sleep with his eyes...
Constable: Ecc 6:10--11:7 - --III. THE LIMITATIONS OF WISDOM 6:10--11:6
Clues in the text indicate the value and purpose of 6:10-11:6. The phr...
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Constable: Ecc 7:1--8:17 - --B. God's Inscrutable Plan chs. 7-8
Solomon proceeded in this section to focus on the plan of God, His de...
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Constable: Ecc 8:1-17 - --3. The value and limitations of wisdom ch. 8
This chapter begins by lauding wisdom (v. 1), and i...
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